Page 8 | Team Ioan Gruffudd or Alice Evans?

BabyBearRus · 2021-10-29T23:47:05+00:00

I've been following the story around the breakup of Ioan and Alice. I haven't been a great fan of Alice in the past, but I do feel for her and her children right now. Who else thinks that Ioan has behaved atrociously to his family? According to his wife, he has been having an affair for a long while, and making her feel as though she was in the wrong for months.

Supersimkin2 · 30/10/2021 17:37

I reckon she drinks.

Iaiaiaiain doesn't, presumably, but he's not gone about leaving the right way.

A found out about the affair because he posted it on Insta, so having a go at her for washing her dirty linen in public isn't fair.

Awful, awful for the children.

I think it's time people realised how devastating divorce is for the abandoned half of the marriage.

Loudestcat14 · 30/10/2021 17:38

They would be watching for liable. Not what team Susan in Birmingham is on.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I think they'll be more concerned about her Daily Fail piece, as the site gets something like 500 million monthly page views.

Loudestcat14 · 30/10/2021 17:40

Supersimkin2 So you know categorically that he had an affair, because, you know, you're stating it as fact?

Seriously MNetters! Educate yourselves on libel and defamation law. Just because you're posting anonymously doesn't make you immune from getting sued!

bizmum1 · 30/10/2021 17:42

Max4u - what about the impact of his behaviour on the kids? Is she supposed to just take that quietly? She's entitled to rant after the way she's been treated.

Max4u · 30/10/2021 17:49

She not just ranting, it's a sustained online campaign of abuse, not just to him but anyone who posts positively on his profile bizmum.

What behaviour do you know for FACT that he has done. Not learned from her twitter posts or Daily Mail interviews, first hand based on knowing this couple intimately? absolutely nothing. So how can you categorically know what he has done to her or she has done to him. You can't.

ChequerBoard · 30/10/2021 17:53

@bizmum1

Max4u - what about the impact of his behaviour on the kids? Is she supposed to just take that quietly? She's entitled to rant after the way she's been treated.

Jesus - do you think her ranting is in any way a positive thing for their kids??

AnneShirleysNewDress · 30/10/2021 17:55

I feel for their children. They are the ones who will suffer in the long-term.

None of us know what has gone on.

bizmum1 · 30/10/2021 18:02

Max4u - it was a FACT that he posted a very insensitive picture of himself with new gf knowing full well the impact it would have on Alice. Was he thinking of the kids then?

Nyxs · 30/10/2021 18:03

@Loudestcat14

They would be watching for liable. Not what team Susan in Birmingham is on.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I think they'll be more concerned about her Daily Fail piece, as the site gets something like 500 million monthly page views.

Exactly anyone thinking his staff are sat with a mn account trying to gently guide posters to say 'oh team Ioan' is just laughable. As though the result of a mn vote will be included in the divorce 'well mn says they believe him after we posted a few bits of info about her' followed by an evil chuckle.

bizmum1 · 30/10/2021 18:05

Also, as a victim of narcissistic abuse myself, I recognise someone who is suffering the same as I once did. I believe her.

Max4u · 30/10/2021 18:08

Insensitive is subjective. He has been single for a year and is now in a relationship. He's entitled to have a new relationship if he chooses. As a celebrity, he will be maintaining a media presence which these days seems to include private life updates for some reason.

You don't know for a fact what he has told his kids about his new relationship or what they know. You've got one side of the story.

What is Insensitive is attacking Tamsin Outhwaite online when she posted positively on his twitter feed. That's just bullying behaviour.

Insensitive is threatening to commit suicide because someone blocked you on social media. Her children will read that, which is far more damaging than dad getting a new girlfriend.

DuchessOfDisaster · 30/10/2021 18:11

[quote MichelleScarn]**@DuchessOfDisaster* But he's humiliated himself hasn't he because it's clear what a total tool he is. And the girlfriend just looks like the school speccy nerd. I don't think it will last.*

She "looks like the school speccy nerd" ?! What a pathetic, bitchy, childish thing to write? I think you're showing who the tool is with a statement like that! [/quote]
Ta for that.

Nyxs · 30/10/2021 18:13

@bizmum1

Also, as a victim of narcissistic abuse myself, I recognise someone who is suffering the same as I once did. I believe her.

But at the same time as someone whose abusive ex lost their shit and started spreading lies about them to anyone who would listen, because I chose end the relationship, I don't believe her.

I don't think he was perfect. But I believe that she is just making things up to rage at him.

But neither of us know if we are right or wrong. Because experience doesn't make us an expert on all abuse or all abusive situations

bizmum1 · 30/10/2021 18:15

Max4u -Are you on his PR team? Don't know anything about the Tamsin stuff so can't really comment on that. But if her mental health is bad, maybe there's a solid reason for that. Years of narcissistic abuse and gaslighting is one very solid reason.

AutumnIsTheBest · 30/10/2021 18:20

OK after seeing the parking incident video on TMZ and the posts on Tattle Life (which I’d never heard of) I take back some of what I said . Alice is obviously very volatile and has had poor MH for a while judging by the suicide threat in that and her daughter, who would would have been about 10, intervening on her mum’s behalf! Those DC must be on a knife edge . She makes references to him being away for 10 months and surely he must have been aware of her behaviour so why was he buggering off leaving her with the DC in that state! Him being constantly away would have contributed to that. especially if she had suspicions of him playing away. Acting is hardly an essential job.

Marriage vows include in sickness and health so although he had a right to end the marriage, he must have known the way he ended it would have sent her over the edge so he’s just as culpable for the damage to his DC, if not more so as poor MH is not a choice.

There was really no need for an almost 50 year old to go Instagram official with a woman young enough to be his daughter knowing how his wife was, and according to her, his DD’s not being aware he had another woman when he’d told them they were going to separate for a while. Affair or no affair. Maybe he was about to be outed?

ButYouGottaHaveASkillJeff · 30/10/2021 18:21

Woman with promising career gives it up to do the majority, if not all of the child rearing while male gets to carry on with his, coming back from long periods away on exotic shoots to play Disney dad.

Continues to sleep with her but woman can tell something is off. Man gaslights her by making her think she is going off her head. Woman starts to go a bit bonkers.

Male finally bins wife now that a bit of middle aged spread and signs of aging sets in and in a move Stevie Wonder could see coming, gets together with a young prettier woman half wife's age.

Tale as old as time. Whether woman loses the plot and goes nuclear (like in this case) or maintains a 'dignified silence' there's only one winner folks. The Man.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/10/2021 18:21

@bizmum1

Her current behaviour, whatever the reason for it, is not beneficial to her daughters at all. As unfair as that feels if she's been a victim of a narcissist, the reality is that the girls aren't benefitting from her current behaviour where she's giving interviews, name calling, behaving incredibly erratically on social media etc. However understandable you think that behaviour is, it doesn't make her kids' lives any easier when they're already clearly going to have a tough couple of years ahead - and have already had a couple already.

I don't understand why people have to be so 'team X' or 'team Y' on things like this that involve kids. Kids who can easily Google and have been dragged into the posts eg saying one of them had to talk her down / saying she hopes they don't get his nose etc. These unnecessary posts only serve to help him if he is a narcissist, to paint her as unstable. Because she is behaving erratically. If I was her friend I would be telling her that, rather than cheerleading her and encouraging how she's been behaving.

Nyxs · 30/10/2021 18:21

@bizmum1

Max4u -Are you on his PR team? Don't know anything about the Tamsin stuff so can't really comment on that. But if her mental health is bad, maybe there's a solid reason for that. Years of narcissistic abuse and gaslighting is one very solid reason.

Are you on her PR team?

Do you see how ridiculous that sounds.

You are aware people with poor mental health can also be abusers, aren't you?

And mental health problems can occur for many reasons. Its not proof he is a narcissist.

As I have said many times, non of us know the details.

thedarkling · 30/10/2021 18:23

@Supersimkin2

I reckon she drinks.

Iaiaiaiain doesn't, presumably, but he's not gone about leaving the right way.

A found out about the affair because he posted it on Insta, so having a go at her for washing her dirty linen in public isn't fair.

Awful, awful for the children.

I think it's time people realised how devastating divorce is for the abandoned half of the marriage.

Yes, me too. I don't have a great relationship with booze and it struck me that it may be an issue here. Not that it really matters.

I think it's incredibly disrespectful of him to post a pic of his new girlfriend on Instagram without telling his ex wife of twenty years about the relationship first.

Max4u · 30/10/2021 18:23

No not on his PR team, just applying some critical thinking to this deluge of social media ranting.

So if you want to bring in abuse, where do you stand on the reports from people who actually knew them as a couple that she was abusive to him? behaviour borne out by her twitter rants that she tried to delete but show long term abusive behaviour? where do you stand on that?

LoekMa · 30/10/2021 18:24

The only good thing to come out of this thread were those screenshots. Hope everyone begins posting them on twitter whenever she goes on a rant to show people her true colours.
I also hope social services are in the process of getting her daughters to a safe place.

ButYouGottaHaveASkillJeff · 30/10/2021 18:25

Sorry, being an actor and maintaining a media presence is a bollocks excuse for going instagram official with the new one. He knew at that stage she wasn't dealing with any of it well, he refused to speak with her.

He knew exactly what reaction it would provoke. As the mother of his children he could've told her privately.

bizmum1 · 30/10/2021 18:27

ButYouGottaHaveASkillJeff - Nailed it!

bizmum1 · 30/10/2021 18:29

There was really no need for an almost 50 year old to go Instagram official with a woman young enough to be his daughter knowing how his wife was, and according to her, his DD’s not being aware he had another woman when he’d told them they were going to separate for a while. Affair or no affair. Maybe he was about to be outed?

Totally agree with this too

youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/10/2021 18:31

@ButYouGottaHaveASkillJeff

Sorry, being an actor and maintaining a media presence is a bollocks excuse for going instagram official with the new one. He knew at that stage she wasn't dealing with any of it well, he refused to speak with her.

He knew exactly what reaction it would provoke. As the mother of his children he could've told her privately.

I think if we're going down the route of goady social media posts, the ones making snide comments about hoping their daughter doesn't get his nose isnt exactly ok is it? Or the one where she said her daughter had had to 'talk her down' when she was suicidal over an argument with someone on Twitter etc.