Team Ioan Gruffudd or Alice Evans?

[BabyBearRus]

I've been following the story around the breakup of Ioan and Alice. I haven't been a great fan of Alice in the past, but I do feel for her and her children right now. Who else thinks that Ioan has behaved atrociously to his family? According to his wife, he has been having an affair for a long while, and making her feel as though she was in the wrong for months.

Didn’t she tweet saying he was leaving a few months before that, but he ‘made her delete it’ (whatever that means)

@sunglassesonthetable

*Projection no. Empathy yes.

I think many of us quietly reading this thread have empathy for her. We just can’t be bothered to get into an argument with a group of women who clearly are not displaying any empathy towards a woman in pain.

She has been abandoned as much as some posters would like her to just move on, infidelity takes 2-5 year to heal from, she believes he has cheated and has at the least been abandoned. A year is nothing especially when just a few days ago she was privy to that cost picture of his new girlfriend.

And yes she is still married, argue the toss all you like. She is still married. He is not her ex husband.

She’s going through an acrimonious divorce with children who are clearly in pain. She’s picking up the pieces. Watch your children cry for their daddy at night and see how that feels. The rage is palpable. Not projection. EMPATHY.

As for the damage to the children, some of the comments around her alcoholism, mental health, control, narcissism etc are just shocking. If loan really believed his wife was the person some of you have decided she is why leave his kids with her!

Do I agree with her actions, jeez I don’t know? But I know that there were plenty of days where I felt voiceless, powerless, out of control, beholden to a narrative that wasn’t true.

It’s an awful place to be.*

Yes. And we'll said. So much more articulate than me.

With am emphasis on quietly reading You are entitled to your opinion as is anyone else but you are most definitely not quietly reading. Atleast be honest about that

Not one person said she should be over it in a year. No one literally thinks that.

Not the impression I have got at all .

• a year has been trotted out repeatedly as a justification for all sorts of criticism.

Apart from the actual fact that they have been officially separated only since Jan. ( not a year !) and she is still married to him and only just going through her divorce - my point stands that this is early days.

What’s being said is that it’s not ok to be abusive. And to use your children as weapons, to involve them like this.
Couldn't agree more.

But that is NOT the only thing being said at all. You need to read back.

I mean she reallllly thinks she can keep bashing him and his new partner then gets to dictate the narrative in the media? And anyone who isnt in her echo chamber deserves to be torn to shreds by her gang of folllowers egging her on? Myeah right.
Good luck with that then

I read somewhere that she also had an issue with him speaking Welsh to his family.

@Glassofshloer which is very easy to believe if you saw how she was bashing his Welsh name.
Also I dont get where the whole 20yr marriage narrative came from.
According to their divorce papers they split on 31st Dec/ New Years day 2020.
They were married in 2007 after she forced him to marry her. Thats the one mistake I agree he made. If you have to marry a woman because she gave you an ultimatum, you know deep down she isnt who you really want.
So they were married for 12 years at best.

They were married in 2007 after she forced him to marry her. Thats the one mistake I agree he made. If you have to marry a woman because she gave you an ultimatum, you know deep down she isnt who you really want.
So they were married for 12 years at best.

Bowing out of this thread. Don't want to be part of tittle tattle and nastiness.

@sunglassesonthetable I believe Alice stated herself she gave him an ultimatum.

@LoekMa I find the Welsh thing very controlling if I’m honest. Why shouldn’t he be able to speak his native language to his own family? It’s not like there are hoardes of Welsh speakers the world over to chat with. Plus I am a true believer in spending time with your family alone once in a while even when married.

Now and then I deliberately stay home when my other half goes for coffee with his parents. Not because I don’t like them, or vice versa, but because he is their son and they probably want to check in with him now and then without me about.

Again if a man was trying to stop his wife from speaking to her family in Welsh, he would be called a control freak on here.

@Glassofshloer exactly!
Theres alot of "controlling" vibes in general. And like "I will punish you for what you did" - thats very different to understandable grief.
Like I said she is on a one woman campaign to see him brought down and I am glad he is staying silent in all of this. He probably knows best what kind of person she is that is why I say he made a mistake agreeing to that ultimatum which she herself said she gave him.
Hindsight is always 20/20. He should have left in 2007.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9684227/amp/Mother-killed-five-six-children-goes-trial-Germany.html

This woman was just sentenced to life TODAY becsuse she murderd her kids after her estranged husband put up a picture of himself with his new partner.
I dont think anyone here or on twitter or anywhere doubts that she is unravelling that is why I said I am #TeamKids and someone needs to get them out of that house as soon as possible. Its awful that people are egging her on telling her what shes doing is OK. Its her right, but they wont have to bear the consequences if they talk her up into a rage she cant come back from.
I hope behind the scenes he is working hard on getting the girls to safety

I just find the whole thing extremely weird. She spends all her time obsessively posting and replying to people on Instagram. First she states her kids aren't suffering because they actually "like being talked about" and then she says she has no intention of moving on until her life is "exactly back to how she wants it". Which isn't going to happen. He's clearly moved on and none of this is going to make him think he made a mistake. Quite frankly, no one is coming out of this smelling of roses.

You know, I agree with her. People will say things about keeping your dignity and not airing dirty laundry but why should she do that? Why shouldn't she be honest about how hurt she is and how this has destroyed her family? She's not lying, is she?

CecilieRose, her actions are helping no-one. Not her (her followers appear to be in it for the drama, not trying to help her, and tbh no-one posting on her twitter feed is in a position to help her - all they're doing is fanning the flame.)
Not her children.

The things she is writing will be swilling around the Internet for ever.

@LoekMa

I agree with you.

As far as I’m concerned the situation has escalated in seriousness.
FFS will someone do something.

@CecilieRose

You know, I agree with her. People will say things about keeping your dignity and not airing dirty laundry but why should she do that? Why shouldn't she be honest about how hurt she is and how this has destroyed her family? She's not lying, is she?

Because she has kids that share 50% of their DNA with the man she is vilifying.

She isn't being a good parent by subjecting then to her venting her spleen on SM.

[quote Onyernelly]@LoekMa

I agree with you.

As far as I’m concerned the situation has escalated in seriousness.
FFS will someone do something.[/quote]
I know. Its not even funny anymore. There needs to be a welfare check carried out at that home, I seriously worry that she is so focused on punishing him, we know how that tends to go out.
He is filming right now to put food on the table and clothes on their backs. But maybe his family can fly there and keep an eye on the daughters. This has potential to end in serious tragedy.

Where is her real life support? I feel desperately sorry for a woman who seems to have no family or friends at all to talk to. She is behaving extremely badly and I have posted already on here that some of her twitter and Instagram posts are uncalled for and do not paint her in a good light at all. We don't know how much of her behaviour is borne out of hurt and distress and how much is just Alice. But surely there must be someone in real life who can step in, encourage her to back away from social media and be there for her physically.

Also I think its deplorable that social media even facilitates people like that who obviously need help getting riled up my drama seeking followers. Twitter should do what they did with Donald Trumps posts. Let her post, but ban people from commenting. Its the echo chamber she is in that keeps riling her on to post more

She says "her 8 year old is still upset because daddy swore on her life that he didn't have a new girlfriend and now says 'he might do'".

Sorry, but why the hell is she allowing her young daughter to make her dad swear on her life? Absolutely rotten behaviour, and if their sexes were reversed, I'd be very concerned if the man was raging all over social media like she is doing.

@Cheeseandlobster

Where is her real life support? I feel desperately sorry for a woman who seems to have no family or friends at all to talk to. She is behaving extremely badly and I have posted already on here that some of her twitter and Instagram posts are uncalled for and do not paint her in a good light at all. We don't know how much of her behaviour is borne out of hurt and distress and how much is just Alice. But surely there must be someone in real life who can step in, encourage her to back away from social media and be there for her physically.

But it’s being going on for years, in 2019 she had a twitter spat with some random, then she threatened suicide posting she would on line, then committed to not taking the pills but tweeting she was still drinking the whiskey. Soneone posted a link to the tweets earlier in the thread.

Yes this is about her marriage now, but it’s been bad for a long time, well before they split. Her youngest was. what, 5 at the time when she was posting that.

So there is clearly more to this behaviour, it’s not sudden or new, the only change is the subject matter that upsets her, this has been going on for at least three years.

It’s difficult to help someone if they refuse help, and I am unsure if anyone has tried, but she is far from alone in the world.

She has posted a video on Instagram a few hours ago about a floral hat. She comes across as under the influence and reveals some quite significant bruising on her arm. Someone on there has replied to her stating she seems drunk and urging her to seek help to which Alice retaliates quite aggressively.

Something is very wrong here and I am surprised noone has intervened properly yet

@Bluntness100 I agree with you. This isn't new from what I have seen. But she has posted that she has no friends or family. And her behaviour is someone desperately seeking some sort of attention albeit the wrong attention. It may be she is a very difficult person in rl too. I strongly suspect this is the case. But I still feel sorry for anyone who has no-one and who may well end up without her children if she continues in this way

@Cheeseandlobster, yes that video is concerning,

Something is very wrong here and I am surprised noone has intervened properly yet

Me too, especially as it appears shes been on Twitter all bleedin' day and night.