Page 13 | Team Ioan Gruffudd or Alice Evans?

BabyBearRus · 2021-10-29T23:47:05+00:00

I've been following the story around the breakup of Ioan and Alice. I haven't been a great fan of Alice in the past, but I do feel for her and her children right now. Who else thinks that Ioan has behaved atrociously to his family? According to his wife, he has been having an affair for a long while, and making her feel as though she was in the wrong for months.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/11/2021 10:39

tbh @bogeythefungusman I have NO IDEA with what went on or goes on within their walls.

I was talking in an abstract way.

But you appear to so I will bow to your insider knowledge.

LyricalBlowToTheJaw · 01/11/2021 10:45

My point was really in contradiction to what Bluntness said as if the kids would rationalise. the situation so calmly and in should such a benign adult way.

Yes, that's a pretty bizarre assumption to make about a child who's just turned 8. Wherever one stands on the wider situation.

Viviennemary · 01/11/2021 10:56

I do feel a bit sorry for her as its horrible when your partner wants to split up but you don't. But he filed for divorce and she says in a DM article they haven't communicated for 11 months. And all those ranting tweets she made and then deleted but are still up on some sites. That is very unwise. What is he meant to do. Stay in an unhappy marriage forever.

Loudestcat14 · 01/11/2021 11:01

@sunglassesonthetable In fairness to @bogeythefungusman, that's not insider knowledge, AE has shared it on social media, including interrupting FT calls to scream and vent, and it's also been mentioned further up the thread.

Loudestcat14 · 01/11/2021 11:05

One thing that I can't quite grasp, perhaps because I'm not married myself, is her insistence that he is still her husband and that's why he shouldn't be in a new relationship. She's tweeted it again this weekend. He left the marriage 12 months ago and served divorce papers at the start of the year, so surely he's her husband only by a technicality now? Or is that how people still feel about their spouses after they walk out – that until the divorce is granted they are still very much married to them? I ask because I can't help but feel her insistence at clinging to the "he's my husband" narrative is doing her more harm than good.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/11/2021 11:12

@Loudestcat14

Like I said I don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Whatever AE says, whatever IlG says. I can't at the same time think she seems erratic and unstable and also rely on her to give an accurate over view.
All of this is a fragile unreliable snapshot.

I can't project what those children are feeling ( my original objection ) other than they are in a world of sadness.

I can see that the dual revelation of IG's affair on SM ( whether AE knew or not ) is crass and thoughtless. Particularly to the kids.

Bluntness100 · 01/11/2021 11:15

@LyricalBlowToTheJaw

My point was really in contradiction to what Bluntness said as if the kids would rationalise. the situation so calmly and in should such a benign adult way.

Yes, that's a pretty bizarre assumption to make about a child who's just turned 8. Wherever one stands on the wider situation.

The older child is 12. I can assure you children of these ages know if they live in a happy home or not.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/11/2021 11:21

The older child is 12. I can assure you children of these ages know if they live in a happy home or not.

Of course they do! No assurance needed.
But that is not the same thing at all.

ValerieCupcake · 01/11/2021 11:21

@Loudestcat14

One thing that I can't quite grasp, perhaps because I'm not married myself, is her insistence that he is still her husband and that's why he shouldn't be in a new relationship. She's tweeted it again this weekend. He left the marriage 12 months ago and served divorce papers at the start of the year, so surely he's her husband only by a technicality now? Or is that how people still feel about their spouses after they walk out – that until the divorce is granted they are still very much married to them? I ask because I can't help but feel her insistence at clinging to the "he's my husband" narrative is doing her more harm than good.

When I was in a church I remember a woman whose husband left her and they told her that until the divorce was finalised she shouldn't have any other relationships.

LyricalBlowToTheJaw · 01/11/2021 11:31

The older child is 12. I can assure you children of these ages know if they live in a happy home or not.

The older one is, but the younger one, the one I'm talking about here, turned 8 in September and would've been 7 when all this kicked off.

Also, you're moving the goalposts. There is a distinction between knowing whether you live in a happy home or not and being in a position where, and I quote 'they wish him to be happy and were fully aware of the difficulties in the home prior to the split and how unhappy he was'. This was not a sensible claim. I wonder if perhaps you hadn't realised quite how young Elsie is.

Viviennemary · 01/11/2021 11:48

A home where the dad works away 9 months of the year will be a very different dynamic from a home where he is there most of the time. Apparently all his clothes and personal belongings are still at the house. Forty leather jackets. It's a bit sad all this trivia is being shared. But this must be confusing for the children who will think his stuff is still here he will come back as usual and everything will be fine. Its been handled quite badly I think.

LoekMa · 01/11/2021 12:12

I know in some countries if the spouse refuses to sign divorce papers and you are separated for over 12 months, it counts as though the marriage is officially divorced.

Also the double standards are jarring. Nobody is questioning she is in pain, but she herself admitted to using her 12 or 11 year old at that time child as an emotional therapist, I can not imagine the pain that caused her daughter. I grew up with a mother that would just unload on me when growing up and I was much older than 12 and it still affected me deeply. I understand youre in pain but its really shocking when you are unwilling to even empathize with what putting that emotional load on a child's shoulders will cause.

mylovelydd · 01/11/2021 17:21

Having read through this thread what stands out the most is the truly repulsive attitude posters on this site have towards mental health issues and especially towards women who might be suffering with them.
Surely if AE is struggling with mental health issues she needs more support not less, so maybe IG should be seeing his DC more. Or at all.

And as a side note - if AE gave up her career to have and raise their DC that IS a job - someone's worth to society isn't just demonstrated by a payslip at the end of the month - being a SAHP within a marriage and keeping the home fires burning while the other works, it's just as valid.

He couldn't have had that career AND looked after both those children on his own - he could only do it with AE support.

Bluntness100 · 01/11/2021 17:24

@mylovelydd

Having read through this thread what stands out the most is the truly repulsive attitude posters on this site have towards mental health issues and especially towards women who might be suffering with them. Surely if AE is struggling with mental health issues she needs more support not less, so maybe IG should be seeing his DC more. Or at all.

And as a side note - if AE gave up her career to have and raise their DC that IS a job - someone's worth to society isn't just demonstrated by a payslip at the end of the month - being a SAHP within a marriage and keeping the home fires burning while the other works, it's just as valid.

He couldn't have had that career AND looked after both those children on his own - he could only do it with AE support.

What are you talking about? She has a full time nanny and has from the moment the first was born, she could have worked,

And no one knows if she’s got mental health problems, she could be anything from an alcoholic to someone who is simply an abusive bully to yes soneone with mental health problems, or a mix of all three.

But diagnosing her and dictating to a lot of parents what a stay at home mum is like we don’t know is kinda odd.

mylovelydd · 01/11/2021 17:31

And no one knows if she’s got mental health problems, she could be anything from an alcoholic to someone who is simply an abusive bully to yes soneone with mental health problems, or a mix of all three.

Maybe have a read back. Posters all over this thread have been saying "she's nuts" "she's crazy"...as if mental health issues are something to be ashamed of. We don't know if she has mental health issues or as you brought up whether she's an alcoholic. But if she is she needs support. And he should be doing that.

TertiusLydgate · 01/11/2021 17:45

I would question her suitability to have custody of those children. Perhaps she does have MH issues, perhaps she’s just vindictive and unable to accept that her marriage is long over.

Either way, it can’t be a healthy environment to bring up her children and I feel very sorry for them.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/11/2021 18:13

*I would question her suitability to have custody of those children. Perhaps she does have MH issues, perhaps she’s just vindictive and unable to accept that her marriage is long over.

Either way, it can’t be a healthy environment to bring up her children and I feel very sorry for them.*

I would question your suitability to even be able to comment. I know that no custody judge would be listening. God Alive.

Can you remember when people were skating Princess Diana and saying she was mentally unstable etc etc?

We literally know NOTHING except a few stupid snapshots from SM.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/11/2021 18:14

"slating Princess Diana"

TertiusLydgate · 01/11/2021 18:31

I thought it was accepted Princess Di was known to be unstable?

Anyway…whether Alice has had some sort of breakdown is moot. It just doesn’t strike me as a good environment for kids. Perhaps she needs some help.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/11/2021 18:38

If every parent who went through tough times, when their mental health suffered had the custody of their children "questioned", god help us.

mylovelydd · 01/11/2021 19:03

If every parent who went through tough times, when their mental health suffered had the custody of their children "questioned", god help us.

Exactly. Loving the way people are either decrying her as unstable or an alcoholic (even if she is, she is still a human being who needs compassion and support, none of which he is showing her) or vindictive.
So much for the sisterhood

CornishGem1975 · 01/11/2021 19:12

@TertiusLydgate

I thought it was accepted Princess Di was known to be unstable?

Anyway…whether Alice has had some sort of breakdown is moot. It just doesn’t strike me as a good environment for kids. Perhaps she needs some help.

Totally agree.

She is coming across as unstable for sure (I mean, it's understandable, it's a tough situation) however she definitely needs some help and it can't be great for the kids - she seems SO hugely wrapped up and invested in it all. What are they doing while she's engrossed in Twitter all day long.

PoppyMonth · 01/11/2021 19:15

Sisterhood

If a dad OR mum was using social media to rant and criticise the other - it's simply not on. Her STBHEx is in the public eye, so all of her erratic tweets are seen extensively and the tabloids are bloody loving all the ammo she is giving them. It must be mortifying for her children.

Hopefully, she does have rl support, and hopefully, those who care for her will tell her to step away from SM and think of her kids.

mylovelydd · 01/11/2021 19:16

What are they doing while she's engrossed in Twitter all day long.

What's their dad doing? I mean isn't it months since he's even clapped eyes on his kids in person while enjoying ice cream on a bench with his new girlfriend?
But yeah attack the mother who's struggling to parent on her own.

StoneColdBitch · 01/11/2021 19:32

@Loudestcat14

One thing that I can't quite grasp, perhaps because I'm not married myself, is her insistence that he is still her husband and that's why he shouldn't be in a new relationship. She's tweeted it again this weekend. He left the marriage 12 months ago and served divorce papers at the start of the year, so surely he's her husband only by a technicality now? Or is that how people still feel about their spouses after they walk out – that until the divorce is granted they are still very much married to them? I ask because I can't help but feel her insistence at clinging to the "he's my husband" narrative is doing her more harm than good.

My husband's first wife was like this. Their divorce was very acrimonious and took almost 2 years because they had to go to court. Shortly before the decree absolute was granted, she saw me in a public place and started ranting and raving about how my now-DH was her husband. Yes, technically he was, but he had been living with me for a year at this point! She was having trouble moving on - and the same probably applies here.