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Bizarre in laws - dh death

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YOR76 · 29/10/2021 22:53

I have never posted on Mumsnet before but I find myself in a bizarre situation and I wonder if I can ask for your opinion/advice?

My husband died of cancer 6 weeks ago, we are young (late 30’s/early 40’s) with 3 children. We have always had a good relationship with my in laws, never any issues in the past, my dh did most of the communicating with them but I also exchanged messages with them about the kids etc.

Since my husband was diagnosed 14 months ago, they have been rubbish at contact, really rubbish. We have barely seen them even though they only live 20 minutes away, weeks would go by where they didn’t contact my dh and any contact with us always fell after golf, childcare for their other grandkids, shopping - we seemed to be at the bottom of the priority pile at a time when we really needed the support. And on the odd occasion they did contact, they weren’t interested in knowing how my dh was and instead asking stupid questions. They saw us 3 times in a year and one one occasion his dad didn’t even get out of the car and just waited at the bottom of the driveway!

Cut to the few weeks before dh died when we were told it was terminal, they still barely spoke to dh, they gave us the occasional ‘if you need us call us’ comment but to be frank, I had too much going on with caring for my dh and the children to go chasing after them. When dh became very ill I suggested they come and see him more often or call by and sit with him so I could have a few hours break, one particular day they told me they couldn’t as they were ‘busy’, when I rang them to say that he’d become quite bad it turns out they were playing golf/at the hairdressers instead of coming to visit their dying son! And his dad was most put out that he had to leave the golf course and made it known as if we should be thankful. The following week they even went away on holiday for a few days, knowing he would die that week - unbelievable.

However, on their return they announced they would be coming to the house every day and despite me asking them to contact first (we had district nurses in around the clock, we were up all night, I was doing all of dh’s care and by this point he was sedated with a syringe driver) they turned up unannounced and stayed for ages. They demanded I call them if he were to die (I politely said I wouldn’t be doing this because I would ensure the nurse was notified first, and then the children to see him and say their goodbyes and plus, it wasn’t as if he were going anywhere), and told me they would continue to come over every day, despite me telling them that this is not what either of us wanted.

At this stage I had nurses in most of the day meaning I got very little time alone with dh and I just wanted chance to sit with him and slowly say goodbye, we had both agreed that we wanted to be at home together in our bedroom when he died without lots of people there. I voiced this to the in laws but they said they didn’t care, they would be coming and basically told me I had no choice in the matter - in my own home.

On the day of dh’s death, they turned up after messaging me to tell me (not ask me) they would be coming and staying for an hour, which caused me real anxiety because I just knew dh was in his last few hours. Of course they stayed for far longer and despite me politely asking them to leave because our wishes had been to be alone, they refused and dh died while they were there. We didn’t get our goodbye we wished for, they recognised this with the nurse but said they didn’t care, they started to phone relatives only minutes after dh had died and invited his sister round even though I hadn’t yet told our children, and when I told them to stop and to allow me some time, they got really rude with me saying they had a ‘right’ to.

Ever since they’ve barely contacted me, not seen the children, been to visit the grave down the road from our house yet not bothered to call in to see me/kids and the final straw is that I was given an old school report of my dh’s during a memorial evening for him which they snuck off the table and are now refusing to give me back saying it belongs to them, despite it being presented to me in front of over 100 people. They have lied saying it had their name on it (there were no names on it) and seem astounded that I’d even want it or would want to keep it for our children.

There have been many more issues in the last few weeks but these are the main ones, they seem to have turned into patronising and controlling bullies and for the sake of maintaining any relationship with them for the sake of my dh and children, I am having to tolerate it. It seems to be my major source of upset right now when all I want to do is quietly grieve for the loss of my husband and my children’s daddy.

AIBU in finding his behaviour terrible? We are all experiencing a big loss but surely this is a time to look out for each other?

Most of the behaviour is driven by dh’s dad, he seems really jealous of me, he doesn’t seem to like that he has no involvement in the situation and everything has to be about what suits them and what is convenient for them.

I feel so so angry and upset that they are behaving like this, they took advantage of me when I was at my most vulnerable and bullied me, taking away those precious last moments with my dh. My dh’s illness was so much more than those last few weeks but they saw none of that and just wanted to cherry pick the times that suited them, they gave us no support at all and I just don’t feel they deserved to have any involvement in those last few days, especially when they waited until dh was sedated and couldn’t voice his wishes or protect me anymore…

OP posts:
lifesgoodwithlg · 30/10/2021 08:52

Dear OP, I am so sorry for your horrendous loss, your parents in law are dreadful so if possible don't waste another second thinking about them. Your loss is immense so gentle hugs at this heartbreaking time. May your husband rest in peace

DomPom47 · 30/10/2021 08:53

Sorry for your loss. I think it’s in your best interest to keep the lines of communication open with them for the sake of your kids but only contact them if they contact you first. They have not respected your wishes in your own home and clearly were on a power trip which is unforgivable considering the circumstances. Do your best to grieve and be there for your children 💐

Inlander · 30/10/2021 08:54

OP I’m so sorry for your loss. Their behaviour is absolutely terrible and you are not unreasonable in the slightest.

Do you think they were in denial about your DH’s health hence why they weren’t coming over? Grief does funny things to people and losing a child (even an adult child) is truly awful. My uncle died at the age of 27 (over 30 years ago now) and my grandma has never recovered from this loss and behaved in very strange ways after his death. It was heartbreaking to see.

I wish you and your family all the very best Flowers

Desperatelyseekingreason · 30/10/2021 08:55

I am so very sorry for your loss and that his parents have made it even worse.

I wonder if perhaps they were in denial that their son was dying until it came to the end and they could no longer avoid the truth?

Regardless, that is their problem to deal with and you need to do what feels right for you and your DC.

LittleDandelionClock · 30/10/2021 08:55

So sorry @TIMMS30 Flowers

Can't add anything that hasn't already been suggested, but my heart goes out to you. I'm so sorry you lost your lovely husband, and that your children lost their daddy. As has been said, go nc immediately. Your in-laws sound vile.

diddl · 30/10/2021 08:59

Maybe you need to step back temporarily.

You must think about yourself & your children.

Don't "tolerate" them if it's too much.

Do you think that your husband would have wanted you to maintain a relationship with them even if it was detrimental to you/the children?

oatmilk4breakfast · 30/10/2021 09:04

I’m so sorry for your loss. You’ve had no space to process anything. Think it’s appalling you were denied those final precious moments with your husband. It sounds like they just could not cope at all with his illness and the only way they could cope with their sons death was to take control but honestly, nothing excuses such selfish behaviour. They should be ashamed of themselves.

notapizzaeater · 30/10/2021 09:04

So sorry for your loss. Unfortunately you can't choose your in laws. My DH - an only child died this year - his parents didn't come to the funeral, instead watched the live stream instead. They've messaged me twice since Jan and sent there only grandson a card with money in fir his birthday, not even a phone call. Now I'm not even trying. They are adults - they have chosen to be ignorant.

femfemlicious · 30/10/2021 09:05

Wow😢. I am so sorry you have gine through this . I cant imagine how they would behave like this. They sound mad!. I wish i could give you a big hug. I hope you have friends and family around you giving you support. Please take heart.

Tyroselemty · 30/10/2021 09:06

@TIMMS30 so so sorry for your loss 💐

May the Almighty grant you and your family the strength to bear this loss.

Hope you have a few good friends and family around you to support you at this time. Please take care.

wildery · 30/10/2021 09:08

So sorry for your loss. Echo PPs. I’d go no contact for now. They can earn a place back in their grandchildren’s lives if they want it. For me, that would include an acknowledgment of their uselessness during your DH’s illness.

ParkheadParadise · 30/10/2021 09:09

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TheRealHousewife · 30/10/2021 09:12

My goodness @TIMMS30 that is such an invasion of privacy and they showed absolutely no respect for their son or you and your children. They took away their dying sons wishes with no regard for any of you or the grieving process. I'm so sorry to read they put you through this at such a difficult time.

For now I'd struggle to have any contact with them to be honest.

Sending condolences and loving kindness Flowers Flowers Flowers

MrsLighthouse · 30/10/2021 09:12

As everyone else has said …their behaviour is weird and cruel. When my husband died his mum and sisters were similar but not as bad. I used to pretend l was talking to my husband and laughing about them ( imagined “what are they like ! “ type conversation ….Try not to spend too much time thinking about them. You’ve got enough on your plate . Sending a hug . It’s a tough path on your own with kids ..but if l can do it, anyone can ❤️

TrueRefuge · 30/10/2021 09:14

Gosh OP that is absolutely awful. As in, just hard to imagine people being that truly awful.

I am so, so sorry that so much was stolen from you. Especially those final moments that you and DH had wanted together. And that they added extra stress at what was such a difficult time. I'm just so sorry.

Nc123 · 30/10/2021 09:25

@Justheretoaskaquestion91

I’m extremely surprised by the majority of the comments on here and the complete lack of compassion and empathy for two parents who have lost their son. Surely there is nothing worse than burying a child?! I can’t imagine it.

I read this post and I was thinking it sounded like two parents dealing horrendously badly with an impossible situation for them. Huge denial and avoidance followed by terrified panic and inappropriate behaviour as a result of that panic, fear and heartbreak.

It doesn’t make it better for you. No. You’ve been treated very poorly and you and your husband didn’t get your goodbye, and I am very sorry for your loss.

If I’m being honest though I find it hard to imagine not being there for the end if it were my sons and I would probably feel I had that right/would just refuse to leave (I’m just supposing but then again my boys are babies so maybe it changes when they are adults?)

I would let the dust settle and give them time to grieve, give yourself time to grieve xxx

Just to pick up on this point. There is something worse than burying a child.

Ignoring your child while they were dying and needed you. Playing golf and going to the hairdressers as your son’s only life ran down to its closure. Not being there, either to hold his hand or help his wife and children, to help your child.

That is infinitely worse and regardless of the emotions evoked by death, the OP’s in laws will have to come to terms with the fact that they failed their son when he needed them more than he ever had.

When my niece died, as a baby, her mother was haunted by the idea that somehow she had failed to do everything she could have done to be there for her child. I’m so sorry, OP, that your husband’s parents didn’t help when you and he needed them to help. You’ve had a terrible time and need to do what’s right for you. Xx

golddustwomen · 30/10/2021 09:29

I am so so sorry for your loss x

Agree with everything @Nc123 said.

FallingStar21 · 30/10/2021 09:30

Hi OP,
It may be therapeutic for you to write the in laws a letter, letting them know how they've made your DH and his family (you and their grandchildren) feel - initially by not caring to even see him or help in any way, later by disrespecting wishes and bullying behaviour. Put the words out exactly how you feel them. You may decide to not actually send the letter, which is fine too. If you do send it, you can also say that this is the reason you are going LC/NC with them (if that's your decision). Even if they don't understand (or not care to understand), it would help you to voice your feelings on your own terms.

Secondly, you were robbed of the chance to say goodbye properly to your DH. It may not feel the same, but just try talking to him, even if his body isn't there. Find a time when you are by yourself, sit in your bedroom and tell DH all that you wanted to say, as if he were right there with you. You can light a candle, play his favourite music, take out his favourite clothes - anything that brings a connection for you. Make this a sacred space between you and DH and take as long as you need to stay in it.
Flowers FlowersFlowers

SueSaid · 30/10/2021 09:35

'I read this post and I was thinking it sounded like two parents dealing horrendously badly with an impossible situation for them. Huge denial and avoidance followed by terrified panic and inappropriate behaviour as a result of that panic, fear and heartbreak.'

'It doesn’t make it better for you. No. You’ve been treated very poorly and you and your husband didn’t get your goodbye, and I am very sorry for your loss.'

Yes I can see this too. The denial and carrying on as normal then panic at the end. I too would expect to be with my dc at the end and not to have to ask to visit as if on a visitors rota. So what if nurses etc were calling, immediate family members can keep a practical distance until nursing jobs have been carried out.

That doesn't take away from the fact that their behaviour compounded your grief op, but if you have all had previous good relationships I'd try and at some point in the future meet up with them when you feel strong enough. Sounds like there's a lot of projection going on all round tbh.

NeverChange · 30/10/2021 09:40

I'm very sorry for your loss.

While grief does impact how people behave these people don't seem to have been very nice even before your husband's diagnosis.

The fact you and his wife get on well speaks volumes about you as a person. That's not always easy but I suspect you tried to get on well with his family in the same manner.

You know your husband the best. He will help you deal with this people or not. You know where his boundaries were and what is would consider acceptable and when he would draw the line. Even though he is gone, you know if we could want you to leave the lines of communication with his family open with minimal effort or support you should you choose no contact.

They sound very detached, almost like they were in denial until the end and then tried to over compensate for their poor behaviour by being their all the time at the end. An explanation rather than an excuse.

Do what's right for you and your children.

If it were me, I would ask for a copy of the report. They might not give it or the person who has ot originally may have another copy. Even if you can't get it, you have memories of your husband that no one can take from you. Cherise them and draw strenght from them.

I am really sorry for your loss and the fact their behaviour has compounded it necessarily.

WhatMattersMost · 30/10/2021 09:40

I am so very sorry for your loss, @TIMMS30.

People grieve in different ways.

Some do it "well" - they let it move through them.

Some do it less well, and the most extreme of these will do everything they can to avoid confronting the pain.

Sometimes, after this happens, there is an inner panic, and they resort to performative grief which is intrusive, unthinking, and unfeeling. What it's masking, though, is pain that is unbearable in every sense of the word.

I'm not excusing; simply explaining - and you have to do what works for you, TIMMS.

DuckDuckNo · 30/10/2021 09:42

I'm so so sorry. They sound awful and I'm sorry they made everything even more difficult. For the moment, I would just drop the rope. Leave them be. You're in shock, everything is still very recent, and you don't need to think about them right now. If things can be mended, it can be done later. Now you need to grieve and recover.

FWIW my in-laws would probably be similar. A few years ago my DH was seriously injured in an accident. We didn't have any support network and I was working nights and taking care of him in the hospital and later rehab and home during days.

During early days when we didn't know whether DH would recover I asked for them to come visit even for a few days and they said no - they needed to help their other son renovate his second bathroom, and later on they were planning a big holiday trip to Goa. They didn't see DH for 8 months.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/10/2021 09:53

TIMMS30

re your comment:-
"There have been many more issues in the last few weeks but these are the main ones, they seem to have turned into patronising and controlling bullies and for the sake of maintaining any relationship with them for the sake of my dh and children, I am having to tolerate it".

No you do not have to tolerate them at all. You owe these people nothing anyway let alone a relationship now and besides which you would not tolerate this from a friend, let alone relatives.

Your children need emotionally healthy grandparent figures; your late H's parents are anything but that. They have made their lives all about them and their priorities were always someone else or something else; never you people.

Some people really do behave like this (indeed my MIL made her Hs cancer and death all about her) so sadly I was not at all surprised to read about your inlaws overt behaviours. I often write that not all relatives/parents are nice and kind and some of them are actively abusive. Like so many narcissistic people your inlaws made their son's death all about them with them being front and centre, the rest of you were background to them. I was sadly not all that surprised to read how they behaved to be honest with you, it was always going to go that way and they really made your H's death all about them. I am so very sorry this happened to you and it should not have done. His own relationship with them was distant and for good reason and I would think his sister is treated by them far more favourably. People from dysfunctional families end up playing roles too.

Am glad to read that you have joined WAY; use them also to start the process of rebuilding your life. You need radiators in your life OP, not drains on you and your children like your inlaws.

Do read "Toxic Inlaws" by Susan Forward in future; it could well open your eyes more as to the realities of these two toxic people.

ArabellaScott · 30/10/2021 09:56

My god, OP. I'm so very sorry for your loss, and sorry for the horrible actions of your in-laws. Sending you all my best. (No, YADNBU). xxx