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Bizarre in laws - dh death

277 replies

YOR76 · 29/10/2021 22:53

I have never posted on Mumsnet before but I find myself in a bizarre situation and I wonder if I can ask for your opinion/advice?

My husband died of cancer 6 weeks ago, we are young (late 30’s/early 40’s) with 3 children. We have always had a good relationship with my in laws, never any issues in the past, my dh did most of the communicating with them but I also exchanged messages with them about the kids etc.

Since my husband was diagnosed 14 months ago, they have been rubbish at contact, really rubbish. We have barely seen them even though they only live 20 minutes away, weeks would go by where they didn’t contact my dh and any contact with us always fell after golf, childcare for their other grandkids, shopping - we seemed to be at the bottom of the priority pile at a time when we really needed the support. And on the odd occasion they did contact, they weren’t interested in knowing how my dh was and instead asking stupid questions. They saw us 3 times in a year and one one occasion his dad didn’t even get out of the car and just waited at the bottom of the driveway!

Cut to the few weeks before dh died when we were told it was terminal, they still barely spoke to dh, they gave us the occasional ‘if you need us call us’ comment but to be frank, I had too much going on with caring for my dh and the children to go chasing after them. When dh became very ill I suggested they come and see him more often or call by and sit with him so I could have a few hours break, one particular day they told me they couldn’t as they were ‘busy’, when I rang them to say that he’d become quite bad it turns out they were playing golf/at the hairdressers instead of coming to visit their dying son! And his dad was most put out that he had to leave the golf course and made it known as if we should be thankful. The following week they even went away on holiday for a few days, knowing he would die that week - unbelievable.

However, on their return they announced they would be coming to the house every day and despite me asking them to contact first (we had district nurses in around the clock, we were up all night, I was doing all of dh’s care and by this point he was sedated with a syringe driver) they turned up unannounced and stayed for ages. They demanded I call them if he were to die (I politely said I wouldn’t be doing this because I would ensure the nurse was notified first, and then the children to see him and say their goodbyes and plus, it wasn’t as if he were going anywhere), and told me they would continue to come over every day, despite me telling them that this is not what either of us wanted.

At this stage I had nurses in most of the day meaning I got very little time alone with dh and I just wanted chance to sit with him and slowly say goodbye, we had both agreed that we wanted to be at home together in our bedroom when he died without lots of people there. I voiced this to the in laws but they said they didn’t care, they would be coming and basically told me I had no choice in the matter - in my own home.

On the day of dh’s death, they turned up after messaging me to tell me (not ask me) they would be coming and staying for an hour, which caused me real anxiety because I just knew dh was in his last few hours. Of course they stayed for far longer and despite me politely asking them to leave because our wishes had been to be alone, they refused and dh died while they were there. We didn’t get our goodbye we wished for, they recognised this with the nurse but said they didn’t care, they started to phone relatives only minutes after dh had died and invited his sister round even though I hadn’t yet told our children, and when I told them to stop and to allow me some time, they got really rude with me saying they had a ‘right’ to.

Ever since they’ve barely contacted me, not seen the children, been to visit the grave down the road from our house yet not bothered to call in to see me/kids and the final straw is that I was given an old school report of my dh’s during a memorial evening for him which they snuck off the table and are now refusing to give me back saying it belongs to them, despite it being presented to me in front of over 100 people. They have lied saying it had their name on it (there were no names on it) and seem astounded that I’d even want it or would want to keep it for our children.

There have been many more issues in the last few weeks but these are the main ones, they seem to have turned into patronising and controlling bullies and for the sake of maintaining any relationship with them for the sake of my dh and children, I am having to tolerate it. It seems to be my major source of upset right now when all I want to do is quietly grieve for the loss of my husband and my children’s daddy.

AIBU in finding his behaviour terrible? We are all experiencing a big loss but surely this is a time to look out for each other?

Most of the behaviour is driven by dh’s dad, he seems really jealous of me, he doesn’t seem to like that he has no involvement in the situation and everything has to be about what suits them and what is convenient for them.

I feel so so angry and upset that they are behaving like this, they took advantage of me when I was at my most vulnerable and bullied me, taking away those precious last moments with my dh. My dh’s illness was so much more than those last few weeks but they saw none of that and just wanted to cherry pick the times that suited them, they gave us no support at all and I just don’t feel they deserved to have any involvement in those last few days, especially when they waited until dh was sedated and couldn’t voice his wishes or protect me anymore…

OP posts:
merrymouse · 30/10/2021 11:11

But no one is saying it was ok to react the way the mans parents did.

It has been suggested that the OP was wrong to want to be alone with her husband when he died.

verywellhealth · 30/10/2021 11:16

So sorry for your loss OP Thanks
I am really sorry for you that you've not had their support but unfortunately not surprised to hear this.
NC for this but I had been going to post about my and DH experience but thought maybe it was unusual. But sounds like it's not.
My DH was diagnosed after an emergency admission to hospital last Xmas with a life limiting illness which has caused significant neurological and cognitive damage and limitations. He could have died and is still suffering. We have two small boys.
His parents live 2 mins round the corner - very short walking distance- and have never once phoned to ask after him or their grandchildren, not once, not even when he came home from hospital. Just silence. They are fully independent, mobile and enjoying retirement. They popped to our doorstep in March (3 months later) with a birthday present for our ds and that's been it. They did at least look suitably awkward.
Really difficult to understand as I thought we had a good relationship. we were in touch every week at least, DH did their shopping during covid and I phoned a couple of times a week every week to chat to mil, and visited them in their garden at a distance.
However dfil now has cancer- mil phoned for the first time this week in nearly a year to tell us this. I wonder how the shoe fits now it's on the other foot. They will reap what they sowed anyhow.
Take care OP Thanks

WeeTattieBogle · 30/10/2021 11:18

It has been suggested that the OP was wrong to want to be alone with her husband when he died

That has absolutely nothing to do with your comment regarding the Op not having the luxury to be in denial.

But we’re splitting hairs now and the OP deserves better.

lljkk · 30/10/2021 11:20

OP did post on MN before, 2015, 2018, 2019.
I would love to hear inlaws' side of this one.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/10/2021 11:21

@merrymouse

he was their son so I don’t think you really had a right to ask them to leave during his last hours.

I don’t think this came from the OP, I think it was what the son wanted.

Given that they opted out of supporting the family during the period when they required practical and emotional support, I do think they abdicated some rights at the end.

Plus, I imagine that the fact that his parents ignored their son's last wishes is one of the factors that the OP is finding particularly difficult.
It's very important for relatives left behind to feel that they have honoured the dead person's wishes as much as possible. The ILs took that away from the OP.
Mojoj · 30/10/2021 11:22

So sorry for your loss. As for your in laws, tell them to fuck off.

merrymouse · 30/10/2021 11:25

That has absolutely nothing to do with your comment regarding the Op not having the luxury to be in denial.

Sorry, I think it does. The parents appear to have opted out of providing practical support months before the family received a terminal diagnosis.

We will have to agree to disagree.

Chickychickydodah · 30/10/2021 11:34

I’m so sorry for you loss, my heart is with you 💐
Delete and block them for a while and lock your door and ignore them if they turn up, have you got someone you trust to keep them at bay while you grieve and get yourself some peace ?

SueSaid · 30/10/2021 11:47

'The parents appear to have opted out of providing practical support months before the family received a terminal diagnosis.'

But surely that would have been when restrictions were in place?

'You owe them nothing and you have every right to prioritise your children and yourself'

He was their son. However the op perceived their behaviour to be 'wrong' in the lead up to his death they had every right to be present in his last hours.

I wonder how the op would feel in the future if a dil was dictating visiting times to her?

They appear to have behaved badly but as a pp it would be interesting to hear their side of this very tragic situation.

merrymouse · 30/10/2021 11:53

But surely that would have been when restrictions were in place?

They were playing golf

MintyGreenDream · 30/10/2021 11:55

Im so sorry.Like others have said there's no tie to these people now.Cut them off for your own mental health.

FrankGrillosWrist · 30/10/2021 11:58

No excuses for their behavior OP, but they’re probably grieving the loss of the relationship that they never had with their son. It’s not the same but I was there when both of my parents died. One was just like on TV where we all sat almost happily around the bed telling stories & supporting each other. In reality this rarely happens, most families will fall out & never speak again. This happens to my family when my other parent died. There was arguments whilst they were on their death bed, & no family support after or since as most of us no longer speak to each other. I couldn’t grieve for ages as I was so angry with everyone, even the parent who’d died. I’m not sure if I used the family as an excuse as I couldn’t accept that my parent had died, or is was just a part of the grieving process. I just remember at the time I could’ve killed them all for what they did, as no one deserves that on their death bed. The only reason I didn’t was because I didn’t want to do time for them. Be kind to yourself OP, concentrate on you & your kids & don’t waste time on anyone else.

Grimbelina · 30/10/2021 12:00

JaniieJones why do they have every right to be present in his last hours?

It sounds like that wasn't what the OP's DH wanted or what the OP wanted.

ParkheadParadise · 30/10/2021 12:00

But surely that would have been when restrictions were in place
Good point.

In every tragic situation, there is always
Your side
Their side
The truth
When my mum was dying all 6 of her children had their own SIDE of events. Everyone had different views and thoughts. No one was 100% right. It's only looking back I realise this now.

MaxNormal · 30/10/2021 12:05

However the op perceived their behaviour to be 'wrong' in the lead up to his death they had every right to be present in his last hours

That was not their son's dying wish though, and their most loving act as parents would have been to respect that and think of him rather than themselves. But they didn't do that throughout his illness so clearly that's not the kind of people they are.

frazzledasarock · 30/10/2021 12:06

I often see people post that MN so easily says block or go NC.

A lot of us have put up with abuse, and that’s exactly what it is. For years until in our forties or older the penny has dropped. None of us owe our relatives our happiness and well-being none of us have to be anybody's emotional punch bags.

The parents may have been distraught and decided to take a holiday when they knew their child might die to help them cope or whatever.

But OP does not owe them her sanity and peace of mind.

The in-laws behaved so badly even her husband was upset about it, you know their dying son. They rode roughshod over his last wishes and imposed themselves where they were not welcome. They couldn’t even respect his last wishes when they utterly ignored his desire to have them visit him during his illness.
As a parent I sincerely hope I never behave so appallingly nor make my child’s last hours on earth all about me. A parents grief does not trump their child’s last wishes.

OP stop making effort. Do not put them ahead of yours and your children's emotional needs.
You do whatever it is that makes life easier for you and your children right now.

frazzledasarock · 30/10/2021 12:08

Six weeks ago there were no covid restrictions

itsgettingwierd · 30/10/2021 12:09

@blanketg

But the complication for me is that because he was their son - I can see why they might want to be there at the end.

Why not before the end though?

Possibly if they didn't engage they could pretend it wasn't happening?

But whatever none of that excuses their behaviour and complete disregard for your or your DH wishes for his end of life care.

I agree disengage. What would your DH want? I very much doubt it would be for you to feel scared and bowled over by his parents for the sake of his children.

Can you access some counselling to help you come to terms with the end of his life not being what you both wanted?

Pinkbonbon · 30/10/2021 12:11

@Cocolapew

Good god that's awful. Personally I'd cut them off completely. Fuck them. I wouldn't want my DCs having any contact with such despicable people. Im so very sorry for your loss.
Seconding this.

Don't let these 'people' anywhere near your children.

But please don't feel you and your partner didn't say your goodbyes. He said them to you as he left, in his heart and he heard yours.

Ozanj · 30/10/2021 12:15

Go NC. It’s not in your kids best interests to have a relationship with them.

SueSaid · 30/10/2021 12:26

'However the op perceived their behaviour to be 'wrong' in the lead up to his death they had every right to be present in his last hours'

'That was not their son's dying wish though'

'we had both agreed that we wanted to be at home together in our bedroom when he died without lots of people there'

There is a difference between not wanting 'lots of people there' and wife and parents being present.

This is all so tragic but sadly quite typical, families say and do the wrong thing when people die. They stay away to give space and they are 'too busy', they come round and it's intrusive. Tbh I don't think they couldve got it right whatever they did.

It is obviously a distressing time but this anger and resentment won't be helping. At some point I'd access counselling to try and process the anger.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 30/10/2021 12:44

Living in denial was not a luxury available to the OP

It’s not a grief competition. It wasn’t an option for the OP but it WAS an option for the parents, hence why they were playing golf and having their hair done. That’s how they handled their grief! People on here are so hard sometimes: this wasn’t maliciously done to upset the OP and I think probably the parents will regret for the rest of their lives the time they wasted in those months. It doesn’t make it better for the OP and it doesn’t take away her pain but heaping blame and insults on two parents who have been there before with a “good relationship” is not ok.

merrymouse · 30/10/2021 12:53

That’s how they handled their grief!

This was before the terminal diagnosis.

When I talk about living in denial I mean denial of the reality of how much practical work is involved in managing a home, working, parenting and caring for somebody with a severely life limiting and/or terminal illness.

Larryyourwaiter · 30/10/2021 12:57

In the last years of MILs life my BIL actively avoided her even though he lived in the same town. DH cared for her, from a distance, the best he could. In the last few months he was there almost full time. BIL nowhere to be seen.
As soon as she was dying BIL made that and the funeral all about him. Asked DH why he was upset as it was HIS mother who had died.
Some people are just so wrapped up in themselves they can’t see anything else.

TravelLost · 30/10/2021 13:11

That’s how they handled their grief!

By ignoring the OP and her dcs so much that they didn’t even wait that their dgc knew about the death before telling everyone and their sundry?? Not one thought for their own dgc then?