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Bizarre in laws - dh death

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YOR76 · 29/10/2021 22:53

I have never posted on Mumsnet before but I find myself in a bizarre situation and I wonder if I can ask for your opinion/advice?

My husband died of cancer 6 weeks ago, we are young (late 30’s/early 40’s) with 3 children. We have always had a good relationship with my in laws, never any issues in the past, my dh did most of the communicating with them but I also exchanged messages with them about the kids etc.

Since my husband was diagnosed 14 months ago, they have been rubbish at contact, really rubbish. We have barely seen them even though they only live 20 minutes away, weeks would go by where they didn’t contact my dh and any contact with us always fell after golf, childcare for their other grandkids, shopping - we seemed to be at the bottom of the priority pile at a time when we really needed the support. And on the odd occasion they did contact, they weren’t interested in knowing how my dh was and instead asking stupid questions. They saw us 3 times in a year and one one occasion his dad didn’t even get out of the car and just waited at the bottom of the driveway!

Cut to the few weeks before dh died when we were told it was terminal, they still barely spoke to dh, they gave us the occasional ‘if you need us call us’ comment but to be frank, I had too much going on with caring for my dh and the children to go chasing after them. When dh became very ill I suggested they come and see him more often or call by and sit with him so I could have a few hours break, one particular day they told me they couldn’t as they were ‘busy’, when I rang them to say that he’d become quite bad it turns out they were playing golf/at the hairdressers instead of coming to visit their dying son! And his dad was most put out that he had to leave the golf course and made it known as if we should be thankful. The following week they even went away on holiday for a few days, knowing he would die that week - unbelievable.

However, on their return they announced they would be coming to the house every day and despite me asking them to contact first (we had district nurses in around the clock, we were up all night, I was doing all of dh’s care and by this point he was sedated with a syringe driver) they turned up unannounced and stayed for ages. They demanded I call them if he were to die (I politely said I wouldn’t be doing this because I would ensure the nurse was notified first, and then the children to see him and say their goodbyes and plus, it wasn’t as if he were going anywhere), and told me they would continue to come over every day, despite me telling them that this is not what either of us wanted.

At this stage I had nurses in most of the day meaning I got very little time alone with dh and I just wanted chance to sit with him and slowly say goodbye, we had both agreed that we wanted to be at home together in our bedroom when he died without lots of people there. I voiced this to the in laws but they said they didn’t care, they would be coming and basically told me I had no choice in the matter - in my own home.

On the day of dh’s death, they turned up after messaging me to tell me (not ask me) they would be coming and staying for an hour, which caused me real anxiety because I just knew dh was in his last few hours. Of course they stayed for far longer and despite me politely asking them to leave because our wishes had been to be alone, they refused and dh died while they were there. We didn’t get our goodbye we wished for, they recognised this with the nurse but said they didn’t care, they started to phone relatives only minutes after dh had died and invited his sister round even though I hadn’t yet told our children, and when I told them to stop and to allow me some time, they got really rude with me saying they had a ‘right’ to.

Ever since they’ve barely contacted me, not seen the children, been to visit the grave down the road from our house yet not bothered to call in to see me/kids and the final straw is that I was given an old school report of my dh’s during a memorial evening for him which they snuck off the table and are now refusing to give me back saying it belongs to them, despite it being presented to me in front of over 100 people. They have lied saying it had their name on it (there were no names on it) and seem astounded that I’d even want it or would want to keep it for our children.

There have been many more issues in the last few weeks but these are the main ones, they seem to have turned into patronising and controlling bullies and for the sake of maintaining any relationship with them for the sake of my dh and children, I am having to tolerate it. It seems to be my major source of upset right now when all I want to do is quietly grieve for the loss of my husband and my children’s daddy.

AIBU in finding his behaviour terrible? We are all experiencing a big loss but surely this is a time to look out for each other?

Most of the behaviour is driven by dh’s dad, he seems really jealous of me, he doesn’t seem to like that he has no involvement in the situation and everything has to be about what suits them and what is convenient for them.

I feel so so angry and upset that they are behaving like this, they took advantage of me when I was at my most vulnerable and bullied me, taking away those precious last moments with my dh. My dh’s illness was so much more than those last few weeks but they saw none of that and just wanted to cherry pick the times that suited them, they gave us no support at all and I just don’t feel they deserved to have any involvement in those last few days, especially when they waited until dh was sedated and couldn’t voice his wishes or protect me anymore…

OP posts:
Teaandcakeordeath83 · 30/10/2021 13:17

Please prioritise yourself and your children @TIMMS30. Step back from the relationship and let them do the running. It's not your burden to take. With regards to the anger about their behaviour- it's entirely justified and again isn't your role to justify it, excuse it or accommodate it. Try not to let that anger consume you. They've stolen something precious and finite away from you but don't let it drive or consume you. Let them go.

My dad died of lung cancer when I was 14, my brothers were both under 7. Up until his diagnosis we'd all had a pretty straightforward relationship with his family though my dad was the one who maintained the relationships- we drove to his parents and siblings houses, he called them etc. They rarely reciprocated. When he was diagnosed it was a shock- he'd gone into hospital with flu symptoms and within 48 hours was told he'd be dead in a week. His older sister offered her house up as his place to die as he'd hated where we lived and didn't want to use a hospice. Within 2 weeks she was angry that he wasn't dead yet and started charging them rent (my maternal grandparents had moved into our house to look after us children). My mum ended up finding a rental house for us all. The mad sister then took umbridge at this and proceeded to tell my dad's entire family that my mum had refused them contact (she hadn't- in the slightest), my mum was trying to kill him, my mum was having an affair (I'm sure in your position you can see how time wise it's simply not even logistically possible even if she'd had the urge to...) And to top that off started to question if my brothers were even my dad's sons.

The family went radio silent, believing the rants of the mad sister, until he decided to go into a hospice and then they basically camped in his room for the week of his death like some sort of ghoulish death tourists and ignored all of his wishes, my mum's and made it impossible for us to visit him before he died. They took over the funeral in a very weird attempt to be the world's most grief stricken family (think godfather style hand wringing) and then when the will showed my mum to be the sole beneficiary of my dad's very small estate (basically a pension and small life insurance policy) they accused her of manipulating him, taking advantage of them (?) and repeating the claim that he'd had no biological children with her. My mum just ignored them rather than have them drip feed that toxicity into our lives. It's been over 25 years and they've since attempted to contact my brothers (not me as I was "only" a step child) but they aren't interested.

Essentially what I'm saying is that sometimes it isn't grief that makes people act badly. Sometimes it just gives them the excuse and ability to justify it. Sometimes people thrive on the drama of a "bad thing" happening to them without actually ever really have participated in the "bad thing". They're not your responsibility. I'd ask them for a photocopy of the report they stole from you to go in a memory box you have for your DC and then just leave them to it. No matter what you do they sound like the sort of party who will be aggrieved so save yourself the hassle of giving a shit.

I'm so sorry for your loss. Xxx

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 30/10/2021 13:40

By ignoring the OP and her dcs so much that they didn’t even wait that their dgc knew about the death before telling everyone and their sundry?? Not one thought for their own dgc then?

Yes, extremely badly/poorly and in a damaging way to OP. It’s not fair and it’s not right but it’s how they grieved. I’m not making excuses for them I’m just saying it’s possible to understand that they are coming from their own place of grief. Unfortunately not everyone handles these things productively. It doesn’t make them bad people. It’s not unforgivable, in my opinion.

SueSaid · 30/10/2021 13:57

'Yes, extremely badly/poorly and in a damaging way to OP. It’s not fair and it’s not right but it’s how they grieved. I’m not making excuses for them I’m just saying it’s possible to understand that they are coming from their own place of grief. Unfortunately not everyone handles these things productively. It doesn’t make them bad people. It’s not unforgivable, in my opinion'

Yes. I've heard some awful stories from families who lose a close relative. People arguing, banning people from funerals, refusing to visit as they 'want to remember them as they were' or demanding to visit because they say so.

Death, like weddings often brings out the worst in family dynamics and only the op knows if their previous relationship means that anything is salvageable.

TOMS35 · 30/10/2021 14:17

Thank you everyone for all of your replies, it’s been helpful to hear different viewpoints and given me some food for thought.

I’m going to delete this post now, simply because I fear identifying myself, I don’t think for a minute they use mumsnet but their friends may and it would only worsen the situation.

Flowers
2bazookas · 30/10/2021 14:22

I am so sorry for your loss and what you have been through.

I'm afraid some people react very,very badly to the terminal illness of a very close relative and behave atrociously. In unbelievable ways. I don't begin to explain or excuse it , but I have witnessed that unforgiveable behaviour in my own extended family.

It is the perpetrators very own fucked-up mindset and nothing you (or I, back then) did or said could change it for them. From experience, after such behaviours there is no way forward ; the relationship turns to stone and doesn't survive. They are the losers, not you. Just walk away from them for good.

When you look back on your husband's illness and death, remember all the funny loving close times . You were both tested to the limit , and neither of you failed. You had time to adjust, to tell each other everything, to love and prepare your children . Together you did your best. Be very proud of yourselves for the courage, strength love and support you shared, and the example to your children.

Nanny0gg · 30/10/2021 18:32

@CampagVelocet

Their son was dying. Can you really honestly say you'd be entirely rational if one of your children was about to die? I think we all have the potential to behave oddly in such awful circumstances. I'd suggest you all try and be kind to one another.
Well, they weren't kind were they?

They behaved appallingly and if I was the OP I'd cut them off without a qualm.

Nanny0gg · 30/10/2021 18:36

@Justheretoaskaquestion91

Living in denial was not a luxury available to the OP

It’s not a grief competition. It wasn’t an option for the OP but it WAS an option for the parents, hence why they were playing golf and having their hair done. That’s how they handled their grief! People on here are so hard sometimes: this wasn’t maliciously done to upset the OP and I think probably the parents will regret for the rest of their lives the time they wasted in those months. It doesn’t make it better for the OP and it doesn’t take away her pain but heaping blame and insults on two parents who have been there before with a “good relationship” is not ok.

We have no idea whether or not it was malicious. However it was a choice And they chose to behave badly
Tirediam · 30/10/2021 19:25

I’m so sorry OP. They sound awful. Please look after yourself and children x

Mummyoflittledragon · 30/10/2021 22:45

Crikey @Teaandcakeordeath83 that was much worse than my dad’s family. What an awful way to treat someone they profess to love. Your poor mum having to deal with that. I’m so sorry you went through this. These people do not deserve any attention. Once my dad died, his family also were aggrieved at not having been left any money. This is the family, he had done so much for and got so little in return. Flowers

earlystreetlight · 30/10/2021 23:03

Hi OP - my sincerest condolences go out to you. I have read this thread right through. It resonates because I lost my DH to cancer six weeks ago. We had known it was terminal since the New Year.

Can I just say no one has a 'right' to be at a deathbed. No persons wishes trump the dying person's wishes.

My MIL behaved very strangely at every stage of my OH's cancer diagnosis. She has always been narcissistic and self absorbed and this was literally the one time she had to take a back seat as her son was so ill. She would face time and talk for 20 mins before even asking how he was. She just couldn't show much compassion and was mostly absent.

My OH died at home and my priority was that our kids had the most access to him. However some people rang and asked if it would be possible to see him. Some I invited to come and see him. Never at any point did anyone presume that they should see him without asking me. I welcomed his family with open arms and made sure they could visit whenever they could. It's what my OH wanted.

The last days of his life, when we knew the end was near, I rang his family and they came to say their final goodbyes. I would leave the room so they had privacy. But the unspoken, understanding was that we ( his wife and children ) would be the ones ultimately sitting with him at the end after they had left.

My lovely SiLs 'managed ' my MiL. She had the opportunity to speak to her son in private and say her goodbyes. She is a difficult, difficult woman but she respected the situation. This for me makes your InLaws behaviour even more shocking.

I think your PiLs absence initially OP was because they are emotionally stifled and stuck in a certain way of behaving and equally their bullying, rail roading, behaviour at the end of your DH's life was because it's what they they thought they should be doing. Regardless of your feelings. They sound bloody hard work and what they did was unforgivable.

I would have found it truly devastating. You are a better woman than me OP.

I am so sorry this happened to you.

Youknownothingsnow · 30/10/2021 23:19

Don’t contact them, I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t hear from them for a very long time. So sorry for your loss.

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 30/10/2021 23:21

I'm so sorry op. Much love to you and your kids.

The behaviour lf your in-laws was appalling. Yes, terminal illness and grief affect everyone differently, yes it must have been atrocious for them to go through this and lose their son, but that doesn't excuse or justify the way they treated you, your kids and your DH. Horrific behaviour.

Notmoresugar · 30/10/2021 23:29

It's simple, they're pure and utter self-centered bastards.
There's no excuse for their disgusting behaviour.
Wish you all the very best OP x

gogohm · 31/10/2021 09:13

Unfortunately people do act in strange ways, grief or serious illness can cause some people to almost pretend it's not happening by avoiding it. This isn't an excuse but an explanation I've observed working with many people who have lost children (as adults)

vdbfamily · 31/10/2021 09:22

I genuinely cannot believe the amount of people saying cut all contact. OP days that prior to DH diagnosis the relationship with in laws was good so we can assume they were in some kind of denial about the whole thing.
Now the kids have lost their dad and people's answer to this is cut off all contact with his parents, the remaining link to his family.
What do we think OPs DH would want to happen were he still here?
I completely understanding seeing less of them for a while as everyone is hurting and it sounds like some unpleasant conversations happened right at the end but surely reconciliation is what the aim needs to be.
I think there needs to be a very honest conversation between you all where you say how let down you felt in the months before his death, they get the opportunity to try and articulate why they behaved like that and you make a plan for going forward.
Unless there is something you are not saying about the historic relationship with in laws, I think your DH would want his kids to know his parents.

B1rdflyinghigh · 31/10/2021 09:44

Sorry to hear about your husband.

I suspect the earlier parts of the story were because they couldn't face seeing their child dying. But then they had to be there when he died, so they could say to everyone, we were there when he died.

They were selfish and unsupportive and have continued to be so.

ChristmasPlanning · 31/10/2021 13:13

So sorry for your loss Thanks
Their behaviour is selfish and unforgivable. So disrespectful both in health & when gourmet DH was ill.

I hope you and your DC can focus on yourselves & have lots of support

starray · 31/10/2021 13:34

@JaniieJones

'I read this post and I was thinking it sounded like two parents dealing horrendously badly with an impossible situation for them. Huge denial and avoidance followed by terrified panic and inappropriate behaviour as a result of that panic, fear and heartbreak.'

'It doesn’t make it better for you. No. You’ve been treated very poorly and you and your husband didn’t get your goodbye, and I am very sorry for your loss.'

Yes I can see this too. The denial and carrying on as normal then panic at the end. I too would expect to be with my dc at the end and not to have to ask to visit as if on a visitors rota. So what if nurses etc were calling, immediate family members can keep a practical distance until nursing jobs have been carried out.

That doesn't take away from the fact that their behaviour compounded your grief op, but if you have all had previous good relationships I'd try and at some point in the future meet up with them when you feel strong enough. Sounds like there's a lot of projection going on all round tbh.

I can see this too. If it were my child, I can't think of anything more painful than not being able to say my goodbyes at the very end.
sunglassesonthetable · 31/10/2021 13:42

I can see this too. If it were my child, I can't think of anything more painful than not being able to say my goodbyes at the very end.

Of course. But I am sure you would do what your dying child requested, whatever that was.

Or would you go against their wishes?
@JaniieJones

mbosnz · 31/10/2021 13:47

While I have not been in the terrible position of losing a child, I have been in the position of losing a parent. I do really think that a wife and children should have been given pole position and driving rights. Especially if the parents had been so unsupportive in the time between diagnosis and the end. That's when you step up, not down.

SueSaid · 31/10/2021 14:01

@sunglassesonthetable

I can see this too. If it were my child, I can't think of anything more painful than not being able to say my goodbyes at the very end.

Of course. But I am sure you would do what your dying child requested, whatever that was.

Or would you go against their wishes?
@JaniieJones

The op said that he didn't want a 'room full of people'. I don't think a wife and parents is that.

I have every sympathy for the op but as I said previously they were possibly in denial, then panicked at the end. We of course only know the ops side to this but as a parent myself I would not have welcomed been given visiting slots around nurses visits etc.

He was their son. Communication clearly broke down and that is very sad.

frazzledasarock · 31/10/2021 14:10

@JaniieJones OP says she asked the parents to leave eventually as both her husband and her wished to be alone.
The parents refused.

I’d never make effort for them again.

MiddleAgedLurker · 31/10/2021 15:17

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FoamyBanana · 31/10/2021 15:24

It's ok to remove yourself from this relationship. I'm sure your Dh wouldn't want you to maintain contact if it's making you feel even unhappier. It sounds like you surrounded your husband with love through his illness and now it's time to do the same for yourself and your children.

I'm so sorry for your loss

sunglassesonthetable · 31/10/2021 17:42

The op said that he didn't want a 'room full of people'. I don't think a wife and parents is that.
@JaniieJones

Like OP's Parents in Law you seem to be projecting what you think should happen rather than what was wanted by the person dying.

OP says clearly

. Of course they stayed for far longer and despite me politely asking them to leave because our wishes had been to be alone, they refused and dh died while they were there. We didn’t get our goodbye we wished for, they recognised this with the nurse but said they didn’t care,

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