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Bizarre in laws - dh death

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YOR76 · 29/10/2021 22:53

I have never posted on Mumsnet before but I find myself in a bizarre situation and I wonder if I can ask for your opinion/advice?

My husband died of cancer 6 weeks ago, we are young (late 30’s/early 40’s) with 3 children. We have always had a good relationship with my in laws, never any issues in the past, my dh did most of the communicating with them but I also exchanged messages with them about the kids etc.

Since my husband was diagnosed 14 months ago, they have been rubbish at contact, really rubbish. We have barely seen them even though they only live 20 minutes away, weeks would go by where they didn’t contact my dh and any contact with us always fell after golf, childcare for their other grandkids, shopping - we seemed to be at the bottom of the priority pile at a time when we really needed the support. And on the odd occasion they did contact, they weren’t interested in knowing how my dh was and instead asking stupid questions. They saw us 3 times in a year and one one occasion his dad didn’t even get out of the car and just waited at the bottom of the driveway!

Cut to the few weeks before dh died when we were told it was terminal, they still barely spoke to dh, they gave us the occasional ‘if you need us call us’ comment but to be frank, I had too much going on with caring for my dh and the children to go chasing after them. When dh became very ill I suggested they come and see him more often or call by and sit with him so I could have a few hours break, one particular day they told me they couldn’t as they were ‘busy’, when I rang them to say that he’d become quite bad it turns out they were playing golf/at the hairdressers instead of coming to visit their dying son! And his dad was most put out that he had to leave the golf course and made it known as if we should be thankful. The following week they even went away on holiday for a few days, knowing he would die that week - unbelievable.

However, on their return they announced they would be coming to the house every day and despite me asking them to contact first (we had district nurses in around the clock, we were up all night, I was doing all of dh’s care and by this point he was sedated with a syringe driver) they turned up unannounced and stayed for ages. They demanded I call them if he were to die (I politely said I wouldn’t be doing this because I would ensure the nurse was notified first, and then the children to see him and say their goodbyes and plus, it wasn’t as if he were going anywhere), and told me they would continue to come over every day, despite me telling them that this is not what either of us wanted.

At this stage I had nurses in most of the day meaning I got very little time alone with dh and I just wanted chance to sit with him and slowly say goodbye, we had both agreed that we wanted to be at home together in our bedroom when he died without lots of people there. I voiced this to the in laws but they said they didn’t care, they would be coming and basically told me I had no choice in the matter - in my own home.

On the day of dh’s death, they turned up after messaging me to tell me (not ask me) they would be coming and staying for an hour, which caused me real anxiety because I just knew dh was in his last few hours. Of course they stayed for far longer and despite me politely asking them to leave because our wishes had been to be alone, they refused and dh died while they were there. We didn’t get our goodbye we wished for, they recognised this with the nurse but said they didn’t care, they started to phone relatives only minutes after dh had died and invited his sister round even though I hadn’t yet told our children, and when I told them to stop and to allow me some time, they got really rude with me saying they had a ‘right’ to.

Ever since they’ve barely contacted me, not seen the children, been to visit the grave down the road from our house yet not bothered to call in to see me/kids and the final straw is that I was given an old school report of my dh’s during a memorial evening for him which they snuck off the table and are now refusing to give me back saying it belongs to them, despite it being presented to me in front of over 100 people. They have lied saying it had their name on it (there were no names on it) and seem astounded that I’d even want it or would want to keep it for our children.

There have been many more issues in the last few weeks but these are the main ones, they seem to have turned into patronising and controlling bullies and for the sake of maintaining any relationship with them for the sake of my dh and children, I am having to tolerate it. It seems to be my major source of upset right now when all I want to do is quietly grieve for the loss of my husband and my children’s daddy.

AIBU in finding his behaviour terrible? We are all experiencing a big loss but surely this is a time to look out for each other?

Most of the behaviour is driven by dh’s dad, he seems really jealous of me, he doesn’t seem to like that he has no involvement in the situation and everything has to be about what suits them and what is convenient for them.

I feel so so angry and upset that they are behaving like this, they took advantage of me when I was at my most vulnerable and bullied me, taking away those precious last moments with my dh. My dh’s illness was so much more than those last few weeks but they saw none of that and just wanted to cherry pick the times that suited them, they gave us no support at all and I just don’t feel they deserved to have any involvement in those last few days, especially when they waited until dh was sedated and couldn’t voice his wishes or protect me anymore…

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teddingtonbearrr · 30/10/2021 07:50

Oh my goodness OP I'm so very sorry. In my own experience, people absolutely lose their minds when someone dies (before their time) in a family and you can never predict who it's going to be and what bizarre behaviour they're going to exhibit.

Sadly, this means I no longer have contact with his side of the family (due to ONE person acting atrociously) even though we basically got along fine for decades.

I've just had to let it go.

Gwlondon · 30/10/2021 07:50

@Mummyoflittledragon I don’t agree with the posters who have suggested non contact. The OP has children who have lost their father and if the OP cuts contact with in laws they will loose grandparents as well.

So my view is shaped slightly by that. Also my mum died over the pandemic, we knew she didn’t have long but we still didn’t visit because we didn’t want to take corona virus with us when she was vulnerable. (I went once during lockdown breaking rules) Even going to hospital didn’t count as end-of-life and until a doctor told us she was end-of-life we couldn’t visit. So I was trying to convey the thinking that stops someone visiting someone who is dying. Also as you enter the last few days people get weird/selfish unreasonable.

I can’t put into words how cruel the pandemic has been to families when you know someone is dying. It sucked. So yes I am being “overly kind” because I want to help the OP get through this. The OP knows her in laws. The OP needs some support.

Pinkorangutan · 30/10/2021 07:59

[quote Gwlondon]@Mummyoflittledragon I don’t agree with the posters who have suggested non contact. The OP has children who have lost their father and if the OP cuts contact with in laws they will loose grandparents as well.

So my view is shaped slightly by that. Also my mum died over the pandemic, we knew she didn’t have long but we still didn’t visit because we didn’t want to take corona virus with us when she was vulnerable. (I went once during lockdown breaking rules) Even going to hospital didn’t count as end-of-life and until a doctor told us she was end-of-life we couldn’t visit. So I was trying to convey the thinking that stops someone visiting someone who is dying. Also as you enter the last few days people get weird/selfish unreasonable.

I can’t put into words how cruel the pandemic has been to families when you know someone is dying. It sucked. So yes I am being “overly kind” because I want to help the OP get through this. The OP knows her in laws. The OP needs some support.[/quote]
If you had read the OP's posts, you would have seen that they were cold and uninterested in DH and the family before he even got ill and even when he was married to his first wife.

The OP needs support to vindicate her quite reasonable feelings, not to be gaslighted into believing she's wrong to feel the way she does.

So much projection on this thread.

And, while it's so much better to have great or even good grandparents than no grandparents, I wouldn't necessarily agree that it's better to have cold, uncaring grandparents.

carpetbugs · 30/10/2021 08:05

Yes there is worse. Watching your dying husband get ignored by his own family.

100%, how do you reconcile that? I couldn't

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 30/10/2021 08:06

We have always had a good relationship with my in laws, never any issues in the past, my dh did most of the communicating with them but I also exchanged messages with them about the kids etc

“Good relationship”. Sounds like they did childcare for the DH previously and helped. Sounds like they weren’t overly involved later but the joke about not being an interfering mother in law, maybe that’s what she was worried about?

It’s a bit of a leap to go from “previous good relationship” to “CUT THEM OFF THEY ARE EVIL”.

Avoidance and denial are v normal and natural stages of grief. It’s not to say OP hasn’t been through an awful time as she has but I don’t think this venom is warranted.

MultiStorey · 30/10/2021 08:06

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layladomino · 30/10/2021 08:06

I'm so sorry for your loss @TIMMS30 and for your husband's suffering and your children's loss. What a desperately sad time for you all.

His parents undoubtedly dealt with his illness very badly. It sounds like they simply couldn't cope with the idea that their son was seriously ill, and instead ignored the fact - which they did by avoiding him. They then went on holiday, re-evaluated and realised they couldn't avoid it anymore but then went in to overdrive, completely stamping on yours and your husband's feelings.

I feel for them too - noone should have to go through losing a child. I can't imagine what that's like. But that doesn't excuse their appalling behaviour towards you. As you said you always got along with them all right before this, can we assume they were basically decent people who have become (primarily his father) unstable and unreasonable on the back of their son's illness and death?

Whatever the reason, you don't need the stress and upset they bring. For now I wouldn't worry about trying to keep in contact for your children's sakes. That can return in time, but it seems as though for now they aren't a comfort to your children, and they are making you less resilient and therefore able to comfort them. So better to avoid them as much as you can.

I understand that as the children have lost their dad, it would be good to maintain a good r'ship with his parents, as it's another link with their dad. In time, as things settle, hopefully that can happen. But if they insist on being rude, telling lies, pushy and ignoring your wishes, then you need to keep them at arms length.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 30/10/2021 08:07

*Yes there is worse. Watching your dying husband get ignored by his own family.

100%, how do you reconcile that? I couldn't*

By trying to empathise with why they ignored him. It will be healthier for OP to come to terms with and dissipate her (justified) anger rather than casting them as heartless villains people on here seem to see them as. This isn’t a film and they aren’t 2 dimensional characters ffs

DukkaDukka · 30/10/2021 08:07

@Mummyoflittledragon I was also that child. After my DF died his family all but cut us off and made up a lot of lies about my DM. Years and years later a couple of them are now creeping out the woodwork. Why? What on earth do they want me to say?

carpetbugs · 30/10/2021 08:13

By trying to empathise with why they ignored him. It will be healthier for OP to come to terms with and dissipate her (justified) anger rather than casting them as heartless villains people on here seem to see them as. This isn’t a film and they aren’t 2 dimensional characters ffs

I've not said she should cut them out although it would be reasonable if the OP wants to. I think their behaviour was atrocious & selfish though regardless of where it's come from.

People can be heartless & cruel, just look in the recent press about the parents abusing & killing their dc. Nothing to do with movies or being 2 dimensional.

At the end of the day the parents failed their son & his family when they needed them the most, again where was their empathy?

WakeUpTired · 30/10/2021 08:15

OP you are so full of grace and dignity after facing such an awful time. It's absolutely shit that your DH has died and that your in-laws have made it the whole experience even more difficult. You must be heartbroken.

I don't know what to say about the in-law situation really. People do go a bit mad when it comes to death but their behaviour has been appallingly selfish. I can only imagine they'll regret it? If my son was dying I'd be beside myself and no doubt act crazily at times but I'd want to be there with him throughout it and support him and his family regardless of how hard that felt.

Wishing you and the children all the best for your future. Flowers

CurryLover55 · 30/10/2021 08:17

So sorry OP 💐💐 I am staggered that human beings can behave like that! Are your parents nearby so that you can lean on them for support?

Thissucksmonkeynuts · 30/10/2021 08:26

I'm so so sorry for your loss.
Their behaviour is complete believable. My inlaws wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire. My husband has been ill for the last 7 1/2 years, any deterioration or crisis they fuck off to their holiday house or have a more pressing engagement such as a local history talk. I was at breaking point recently and asked them to change their plans and be on hand, fil rang me and explained that I needed to ask friends or neighbours to help us. Patronising arsehole.

TreborBore · 30/10/2021 08:30

Poor you, that’s so awful that you have to deal with this Flowers

SueSaid · 30/10/2021 08:31

This is awful op, I'm so sorry for your loss Flowers.

Families can behave appallingly around death, this seems to havs been some weird competition about who was the most important griever.

When you say 'rang his sister', do you mean the fil's sister or was it your dh's sibling? If your dh has siblings I would keep in touch with them rather than pils.

You need to just compartmentalise now, put their behaviour to one side and focus on you and you dc.

Mummyoflittledragon · 30/10/2021 08:32

[quote DukkaDukka]@Mummyoflittledragon I was also that child. After my DF died his family all but cut us off and made up a lot of lies about my DM. Years and years later a couple of them are now creeping out the woodwork. Why? What on earth do they want me to say?[/quote]
Idk what they want you to say. And idk why. But it isn’t about what they want, is it? It’s about you and your mum.

I also understand the lies. My father was sorting his family out on his deathbed for rounding on my mother. And history was rewritten. I was also very hurt years later when one of his brothers died and he wasn’t mentioned as one of the siblings in the eulogy at the funeral.

I was contacted recently by a family member, who then went radio silent when I said I was still very unwell, disabled and had had several major surgeries. I asked after them of course and their family and was genuinely interested in a response. Why contact me if you don’t really care?

FireworkParrot · 30/10/2021 08:33

If they are good people poleaxed by grief, they will make contact and try to build a relationship with their GCs. If they are self-absorbed tossers, they will go back to their golf and you’ll only hear from them when they want something. Should become pretty clear over time which one it is.

I agree with this and with your approach, OP. I wouldn't be going no contact with them but I also wouldn't be going out of my way.

PermanentTemporary · 30/10/2021 08:35

I wouldn't spend the energy you don't have on actively cutting them out. But I wouldn't get in touch with them either - Christmas cards maybe.

Dh died 3.5 years ago. Immediately afterwards the relationship with his brother turned very sour. It's sad but apparently it's not at all unusual. It sounds as if they are members of the family who are supportive so try to focus on them and just let the sad, sad losers go back to the golf course.

I really hope the bereavement counselling is helpful. I ended up in therapy for over two years and I genuinely think the behaviour of my brother in law was more traumatic at times than my husband's death.

TravelLost · 30/10/2021 08:36

I’ve almost been too good to them really when all I’ve had from them is the odd text message

That is standing out to me.
It sounds like you are going out of your way to make things better/easier for them. You’ve kept in touch with them, told them when your DH was dying, been open, didn’t throw them out if the house when they overstayed etc… you are still giving them updates etc… all despite the awful behaviour they displayed, the lack of support and care, and the lies/sneaky behaviour.

Now yes there are many reason why they have and are behaving that way. These are reasons not excuses though.

But now is the time for you to put yourself first and actually take the steps that will help you go through the next few months wo your DH. This is huge, huge for you and for you dcs. You dint need to also be the one who is holding them. They have each other, they have at least one other child who can be there for you. Concentrate on yourself and your own healing.

Dontjudgeme101 · 30/10/2021 08:36

I really feel for you op and your children. 💐💐💐💐

Goawaymorningsickeness · 30/10/2021 08:37

@LittleOwl153

Gosh that all sounds very hard. 6 weeks on you are doing well to keep it together as much as you have.

Going forward I would just boot them out. Their son is no longer there. They have no right to anything. It is your house now (I assume) you are entitled to your own space. If they have keys change the locks if not just don't open the door.

If you are able to I woud contact the person who gave you the report and see if they will retrieve it for you. If not just let it go along with them.

They are grieving too. They did not expect him to die despite what the doctors say I suspect and realised this all too late. By waiting until your dh what sedated it meant they had no opposition to what they wanted. Which made it easier for them. But the do have opposition to being in your life now if you don't want it.

Take care, be careful, anger is part of grief but can also be consuming. See if there is someone you can talk to - was macmillian or someone involved with your husband. They are likely to have grief counsellors.

Such great advice.

I’m so sorry for your loss and for what these monsters have put you through. I would absolutely cut contact, change your phone number, the door locks, block them on every media contact to protect yourself and your children. 💐

Mummyoflittledragon · 30/10/2021 08:41

@mountbattenbergcake
Thanks. I didn’t mean it to sound as though no one was there. There were a lot of people at the funeral, who regarded him well through work and it brought my mum great comfort that he was so well thought of. But these were people I didn’t know.

It was the family grief tourists, who arrived having not given a fig until then and dissipated the moment he died and no one was there for me. Ever. Not even my mother comforted me.

Mummyoflittledragon · 30/10/2021 08:42

Sorry. Didn’t mean to make the thread about me. I hope my experience will help you to see more clearly what this can do to children. Flowers

TravelLost · 30/10/2021 08:43

By trying to empathise with why they ignored him. It will be healthier for OP to come to terms with and dissipate her (justified) anger rather than casting them as heartless villains people on here seem to see them as. This isn’t a film and they aren’t 2 dimensional characters ffs

On the other side, it can’t be just the OP who is doing the empathy thing.
She has lost her DH. She has children who have lost their dad at a young age. I think she has enough work in her plate wo also do all the empathising, understanding of their grief.

For her own sake, I think the OP has to stand back from that drama and let them grieve their own way whilst she concentrates on the two things that are really I portant to HER, aka her dcs and herself.

These people couldn’t actually make themselves available when her DH was ill, nor nowadays that he is dead. They are struggling to adjust with the idea that their ds is gone (kind view of what’s going on). So I’m sure they can also empathise with the OP and her need to grieve in her own way as well as the fact she just can’t be available for them, no more that they can be available for her and their dgc.

ParkheadParadise · 30/10/2021 08:48

We have always had a good relationship with my in laws, never any issues in the past, my dh did most of the communicating with them but I also exchanged messages with them about the kids etc
Hopefully, you can have a good relationship again with your inlaws.