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Bizarre in laws - dh death

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YOR76 · 29/10/2021 22:53

I have never posted on Mumsnet before but I find myself in a bizarre situation and I wonder if I can ask for your opinion/advice?

My husband died of cancer 6 weeks ago, we are young (late 30’s/early 40’s) with 3 children. We have always had a good relationship with my in laws, never any issues in the past, my dh did most of the communicating with them but I also exchanged messages with them about the kids etc.

Since my husband was diagnosed 14 months ago, they have been rubbish at contact, really rubbish. We have barely seen them even though they only live 20 minutes away, weeks would go by where they didn’t contact my dh and any contact with us always fell after golf, childcare for their other grandkids, shopping - we seemed to be at the bottom of the priority pile at a time when we really needed the support. And on the odd occasion they did contact, they weren’t interested in knowing how my dh was and instead asking stupid questions. They saw us 3 times in a year and one one occasion his dad didn’t even get out of the car and just waited at the bottom of the driveway!

Cut to the few weeks before dh died when we were told it was terminal, they still barely spoke to dh, they gave us the occasional ‘if you need us call us’ comment but to be frank, I had too much going on with caring for my dh and the children to go chasing after them. When dh became very ill I suggested they come and see him more often or call by and sit with him so I could have a few hours break, one particular day they told me they couldn’t as they were ‘busy’, when I rang them to say that he’d become quite bad it turns out they were playing golf/at the hairdressers instead of coming to visit their dying son! And his dad was most put out that he had to leave the golf course and made it known as if we should be thankful. The following week they even went away on holiday for a few days, knowing he would die that week - unbelievable.

However, on their return they announced they would be coming to the house every day and despite me asking them to contact first (we had district nurses in around the clock, we were up all night, I was doing all of dh’s care and by this point he was sedated with a syringe driver) they turned up unannounced and stayed for ages. They demanded I call them if he were to die (I politely said I wouldn’t be doing this because I would ensure the nurse was notified first, and then the children to see him and say their goodbyes and plus, it wasn’t as if he were going anywhere), and told me they would continue to come over every day, despite me telling them that this is not what either of us wanted.

At this stage I had nurses in most of the day meaning I got very little time alone with dh and I just wanted chance to sit with him and slowly say goodbye, we had both agreed that we wanted to be at home together in our bedroom when he died without lots of people there. I voiced this to the in laws but they said they didn’t care, they would be coming and basically told me I had no choice in the matter - in my own home.

On the day of dh’s death, they turned up after messaging me to tell me (not ask me) they would be coming and staying for an hour, which caused me real anxiety because I just knew dh was in his last few hours. Of course they stayed for far longer and despite me politely asking them to leave because our wishes had been to be alone, they refused and dh died while they were there. We didn’t get our goodbye we wished for, they recognised this with the nurse but said they didn’t care, they started to phone relatives only minutes after dh had died and invited his sister round even though I hadn’t yet told our children, and when I told them to stop and to allow me some time, they got really rude with me saying they had a ‘right’ to.

Ever since they’ve barely contacted me, not seen the children, been to visit the grave down the road from our house yet not bothered to call in to see me/kids and the final straw is that I was given an old school report of my dh’s during a memorial evening for him which they snuck off the table and are now refusing to give me back saying it belongs to them, despite it being presented to me in front of over 100 people. They have lied saying it had their name on it (there were no names on it) and seem astounded that I’d even want it or would want to keep it for our children.

There have been many more issues in the last few weeks but these are the main ones, they seem to have turned into patronising and controlling bullies and for the sake of maintaining any relationship with them for the sake of my dh and children, I am having to tolerate it. It seems to be my major source of upset right now when all I want to do is quietly grieve for the loss of my husband and my children’s daddy.

AIBU in finding his behaviour terrible? We are all experiencing a big loss but surely this is a time to look out for each other?

Most of the behaviour is driven by dh’s dad, he seems really jealous of me, he doesn’t seem to like that he has no involvement in the situation and everything has to be about what suits them and what is convenient for them.

I feel so so angry and upset that they are behaving like this, they took advantage of me when I was at my most vulnerable and bullied me, taking away those precious last moments with my dh. My dh’s illness was so much more than those last few weeks but they saw none of that and just wanted to cherry pick the times that suited them, they gave us no support at all and I just don’t feel they deserved to have any involvement in those last few days, especially when they waited until dh was sedated and couldn’t voice his wishes or protect me anymore…

OP posts:
50ShadesOfCatholic · 30/10/2021 04:57

The narcissist will make everything about them. They will now be dining out on the story of their son's death for the rest of their days. And it is truly appalling. I'm so sorry. We had a similar situation in our family xx

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 30/10/2021 05:05

I’m extremely surprised by the majority of the comments on here and the complete lack of compassion and empathy for two parents who have lost their son. Surely there is nothing worse than burying a child?! I can’t imagine it.

I read this post and I was thinking it sounded like two parents dealing horrendously badly with an impossible situation for them. Huge denial and avoidance followed by terrified panic and inappropriate behaviour as a result of that panic, fear and heartbreak.

It doesn’t make it better for you. No. You’ve been treated very poorly and you and your husband didn’t get your goodbye, and I am very sorry for your loss.

If I’m being honest though I find it hard to imagine not being there for the end if it were my sons and I would probably feel I had that right/would just refuse to leave (I’m just supposing but then again my boys are babies so maybe it changes when they are adults?)

I would let the dust settle and give them time to grieve, give yourself time to grieve xxx

Longdistance · 30/10/2021 05:32

I’m so sorry for your loss Flowers
I cannot believe that they couldn’t be bothered to support their ds in his hour of need and then just turned up when he was dying in his last hours. I’m surprised and would’ve thought that you being the next of kin would be the only one there when he passes.
I’m sorry you had to put up with their bullying behaviour, what despicable people. I wouldn’t contact them from now on, but I have a funny feeling this won’t be the last you hear from them.

Staryflight445 · 30/10/2021 06:08

I dunno. I’ve been at the other side of this, not being told anything when my brother was in icu, it was awful when he passed away to be honest.

I think some things here yanbu but on the other hand of it, he was their son. They should have been more respectful about it though.

Staryflight445 · 30/10/2021 06:10

@Justheretoaskaquestion91 exactly how I see it too, especially after being wrongfully treated in a situation like this by a controlling wife. I posted the situation on MN and got tonnes of support. So it’s surprising to see it (sort of flipped).

I do think the parents here haven’t acted in the best way though.

Staryflight445 · 30/10/2021 06:15

‘ I was given an old school report of my dh’s during a memorial evening for him which they snuck off the table and are now refusing to give me back saying it belongs to them, despite it being presented to me in front of over 100 people. ’

They’ve obviously not done the right thing by just taking it, but can you see why they’d want that op?
Would you have even contemplated giving it to them if they asked instead of took?

Mummyoflittledragon · 30/10/2021 06:15

@Justheretoaskaquestion91

I’m extremely surprised by the majority of the comments on here and the complete lack of compassion and empathy for two parents who have lost their son. Surely there is nothing worse than burying a child?! I can’t imagine it.

I read this post and I was thinking it sounded like two parents dealing horrendously badly with an impossible situation for them. Huge denial and avoidance followed by terrified panic and inappropriate behaviour as a result of that panic, fear and heartbreak.

It doesn’t make it better for you. No. You’ve been treated very poorly and you and your husband didn’t get your goodbye, and I am very sorry for your loss.

If I’m being honest though I find it hard to imagine not being there for the end if it were my sons and I would probably feel I had that right/would just refuse to leave (I’m just supposing but then again my boys are babies so maybe it changes when they are adults?)

I would let the dust settle and give them time to grieve, give yourself time to grieve xxx

Perhaps it’s easier to go to golf and get hair done. However, choices bring consequences. They have borne none of the burden and are expecting all of the support.

I do not doubt it is the hardest thing ever to lose a child. However, op had a terribly difficult time and has been continuously faced with two people only interested in themselves. The consequence to their behaviour is that they need to grieve in a way, which does not affect op in any shape or form. They have been a burden enough to her. And if they are unable to do this, op should cut them from their lives.

Even the logistics of all these months will have been so incredibly difficult. Have you forgotten only one person is allowed in hospital per person? And before that, none.

These people cared so little for their son, their daughter in law and their grandchildren that they were too busy to even offer childcare support during a pandemic if nothing else. On top of her pain and worry about her dh, she will have been coping with the added complexities and logistics, which a pandemic brings. She couldn’t simply hang her kids on a coat hanger for the duration.

In essence, they’ve made their bed and they can lie on it.

MamsellMarie · 30/10/2021 06:19

They seem angry to me that this 'inconvenience' has interrupted their selfish lives. Almost blaming you both. But they are most unlikely to get through life without illness, worry, sadness, death of another loved one.
They haven't grieved, I think it will hit them eventually and affect them in unexpected ways. Nothing you can do. Just do what suits you and your family best now.

Staryflight445 · 30/10/2021 06:20

I don’t think their recent behaviour means they should be treated any less respectfully now their son has gone @Mummyoflittledragon

Their behaviour has been rubbish, but he was still their son. Being somebody’s wife doesn’t trump that. They’ve all lost someone they love and it seems a bit tit for tat everywhere.

Op, please just try and get on with things without expecting anything from them.
Give them time, they may see the light and realise the errors of their ways.
They maybe never will. You need to grieve without all of this though.
Put it aside for now for the sake of your family.

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 30/10/2021 06:20

I'm sorry for your loss.ask yourself why you want such horrible people in your children's lives. Not the idea of grandparents. Them. Those 2 specific people who have behaved so disgustingly.

It would be better for your children to be protected from them rather than have their relationship with them protected, don't you think?

Mummyoflittledragon · 30/10/2021 06:25

@Staryflight445
You’re projecting. I’ve been on the receiving end of a disinterested family. The family, who were suddenly incredibly interested in the soon to be deceased. And my home was always, always open house, far far before this. We then did not seen this family again for dust.

I was the child, not the partner of the deceased. It was devastating for me to have been so insignificant to these people, that they didn’t check up on me ever after. I’m not just talking parents but also uncles and aunts.

Staryflight445 · 30/10/2021 06:27

Yeah maybe you’re right @Mummyoflittledragon

Roselilly36 · 30/10/2021 06:41

So sorry for your loss OP Flowers. Very odd behaviour from your DH parents, I can only assume they just couldn’t cope, it can’t be easy to lose their son, but such a shame they couldn’t have supported their son, you, and their grandchildren at the most difficult of times. That is unforgivable in my eyes. They have certainly caused you much upset. Put yourself & your children first, you need time to grieve as a family.

vdbfamily · 30/10/2021 06:44

This sounds like a very traumatic situation for everyone. If the relationships were good prior to your DHs diagnosis then the rest of this sounds like their complete inability to accept that one of their children was going to die, so they carried on, pretending it was not happening. As it became undeniably real in last few days, they had to face it and wanted to be with him
Their behaviour was not good but I would not be suggesting no contact. This is your children's link with their dad.
You are all massively hurting now and need to be kind to each other. In a year or so, you may be able to have an honest conversation about how abandoned you both felt and they may be able to try and explain it.
When my brother died, it was my mum and not my SIL holding his hand. My mum was determined that she had brought him into this world and was going to see him out of it. Fortunately my SIL was okay with this and was a bit afraid about the very least moments so was okay to have missed them but I can really see how this could be extremely difficult in some situations.
I am really sorry for your loss. You must still be in total shock. Don't make any great decisions about in laws and try and base any decisions on relationships when DH was not unwell.

Offmyfence · 30/10/2021 06:46

I am so so sorry, I've no words other than that.

Take care of yourself and the children, cut them off, they're not helping you.

Riverlee · 30/10/2021 06:46

Sorry for your lost.

SunshineCake1 · 30/10/2021 06:46

Funny how he was their son only when he was dying. He wasn't their son when the hard work and support was needed.

I'm so sorry for your loss TIMMS30. Flowers

These aren't the type of people you want teaching their "values" and how to behave to your children. Cut them off. A child doesn't need a relative in their lives if they aren't loving, kind, supportive and know how to treat their mother with love and respect.

TOMS35 · 30/10/2021 06:49

Regarding the report - I know this must feel very sentimental to them, we are all hurting and feeling the loss of dh and we all want to cling on to what we can to comfort us. If they had asked if they could keep it then I wouldn’t have hesitated to say yes, especially if it gives them such comfort. But the underhand way they snuck it away while I wasn’t looking, made excuses as to why and where they’d taken it and then tell absolute lies about who it belonged to - it’s that which upsets me. Long term, I would’ve liked for the children to have it and look at once they can understand it and relate to, to maintain dh’s memory.

I have always been conscious of them being away from us and tried to negate any feelings of not being involved (not that I particularly think there were any), sending frequent updates and calling them up to chat about dh. I have done the same since dh died, I’ve almost been too good to them really when all I’ve had from them is the odd text message, I’ve always made a point of calling them up and chatting because in my view, we are all family and a conversation on the phone is far more sociable than a one line text message. And I’ve taken the children over to theirs because I know they won’t think to come to me.

In the years we’ve been together, dh’s relationship with them has probably been less for several reasons - he hasn’t needed them for childcare anymore (dh was married before we met with dsd1 and lived in the same village as his parents), he moved further away (but only 20 mins) to live near to and later, with me. His interests have changed over the years (taking up different sports, healthier lifestyle etc) and we’ve gone on to have 2 more children, dh works in a different area further away and so life has been busy. I always wonder if they resent me for this, almost like I’ve stolen their son away but when I’ve spoken with dh and dh’s ex wife (who I have a brilliant relationship with), both say that they were always quite uninterested, unsociable, cold almost. And I’m fact dh’s mum has joked over the years about not being an interfering mil and ‘letting us get on with our lives’.

I know if I was detached from this situation and offering advice to others, I would be able to see it clearer but grief makes it hard to. I worry about upsetting their feelings at the expense of my own.

Dh’s dad seems to like to be in control and this has become very apparent recently, they have a very traditional relationship where he always worked his day job and controlled the finances, she raised the kids, didn’t drive, put his dinner on the table every night etc. It’s only now I can analyse their relationship and interactions we’ve had with them over the years and see it, perhaps because dh did the communicating before and I was shielded from it. He seems quite a bully and is very much ‘my way or no way’ type thinking.

It’s a very difficult situation that has arisen, I truly never ever saw this coming and the guilt that dh would feel so upset at all of this is what gets to me the most.

Eilatan2018 · 30/10/2021 06:50

Oh my word I am so sorry for your loss. What a horribly tragic situation for you. I would cut them off entirely. They don’t have to be part of yours and your childrens lives as it sounds like they add nothing but upset. They didn’t respect your husbands dying wishes.. Does it get worse? I would concentrate on yourself and your kids and grieving. I am so sorry x

mountbattenbergcake · 30/10/2021 06:54

I’ve almost been too good to them really when all I’ve had from them is the odd text message

I would stop this and do no more than they do.

I think stealing the book was a petty way for them to get back at you.

Is it possible they resent you having the house etc? (Like the pp who said her in laws wanted to sell the house).

ouchmyfeet · 30/10/2021 06:57

@Cocolapew

Good god that's awful. Personally I'd cut them off completely. Fuck them. I wouldn't want my DCs having any contact with such despicable people. Im so very sorry for your loss.
First comment nailed my thoughts completely.

I'm so sorry OP. Focus on you and your children and getting you all through the next year or so, try not to even think of them xx

CampagVelocet · 30/10/2021 06:57

Their son was dying. Can you really honestly say you'd be entirely rational if one of your children was about to die? I think we all have the potential to behave oddly in such awful circumstances. I'd suggest you all try and be kind to one another.

TOMS35 · 30/10/2021 06:58

There’s definitely no issue with house etc, we each have our own houses and we’ve never had to rely on them for finances etc. In fact they’ve asked a few times when we’ve seen them if we need any money, thinking we weren’t being paid while off work etc, thankfully we’ve been ok and so haven’t needed any.

Hattie765 · 30/10/2021 07:02

WTF did I just read, those people are awful, you must never have anything to do with them again. I'm so sorry xxx

TOMS35 · 30/10/2021 07:03

I can totally understand that people behave irrationally due to grief, it’s a mix of panic and despair and fear and other factors - I totally get it, especially being a parent myself. But being a parent and a reasonable human being, I can’t understand the lack of contact and then the sudden demands and bullying and telling me rather than asking me, it feels completely disrespectful and selfish on their part to just message to tell me they are turning up at their convenience, refuse to listen to me and choose to go against our wishes. Especially when it was in their terms, going on holiday and then coming around in dh’s final days and hours and going on and on about all the meals out they’d had, what a lovely time they’d had walking around etc, it felt grotesque that they were doing that while I was providing 24/7 end of life care and watching dh die.