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Bizarre in laws - dh death

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YOR76 · 29/10/2021 22:53

I have never posted on Mumsnet before but I find myself in a bizarre situation and I wonder if I can ask for your opinion/advice?

My husband died of cancer 6 weeks ago, we are young (late 30’s/early 40’s) with 3 children. We have always had a good relationship with my in laws, never any issues in the past, my dh did most of the communicating with them but I also exchanged messages with them about the kids etc.

Since my husband was diagnosed 14 months ago, they have been rubbish at contact, really rubbish. We have barely seen them even though they only live 20 minutes away, weeks would go by where they didn’t contact my dh and any contact with us always fell after golf, childcare for their other grandkids, shopping - we seemed to be at the bottom of the priority pile at a time when we really needed the support. And on the odd occasion they did contact, they weren’t interested in knowing how my dh was and instead asking stupid questions. They saw us 3 times in a year and one one occasion his dad didn’t even get out of the car and just waited at the bottom of the driveway!

Cut to the few weeks before dh died when we were told it was terminal, they still barely spoke to dh, they gave us the occasional ‘if you need us call us’ comment but to be frank, I had too much going on with caring for my dh and the children to go chasing after them. When dh became very ill I suggested they come and see him more often or call by and sit with him so I could have a few hours break, one particular day they told me they couldn’t as they were ‘busy’, when I rang them to say that he’d become quite bad it turns out they were playing golf/at the hairdressers instead of coming to visit their dying son! And his dad was most put out that he had to leave the golf course and made it known as if we should be thankful. The following week they even went away on holiday for a few days, knowing he would die that week - unbelievable.

However, on their return they announced they would be coming to the house every day and despite me asking them to contact first (we had district nurses in around the clock, we were up all night, I was doing all of dh’s care and by this point he was sedated with a syringe driver) they turned up unannounced and stayed for ages. They demanded I call them if he were to die (I politely said I wouldn’t be doing this because I would ensure the nurse was notified first, and then the children to see him and say their goodbyes and plus, it wasn’t as if he were going anywhere), and told me they would continue to come over every day, despite me telling them that this is not what either of us wanted.

At this stage I had nurses in most of the day meaning I got very little time alone with dh and I just wanted chance to sit with him and slowly say goodbye, we had both agreed that we wanted to be at home together in our bedroom when he died without lots of people there. I voiced this to the in laws but they said they didn’t care, they would be coming and basically told me I had no choice in the matter - in my own home.

On the day of dh’s death, they turned up after messaging me to tell me (not ask me) they would be coming and staying for an hour, which caused me real anxiety because I just knew dh was in his last few hours. Of course they stayed for far longer and despite me politely asking them to leave because our wishes had been to be alone, they refused and dh died while they were there. We didn’t get our goodbye we wished for, they recognised this with the nurse but said they didn’t care, they started to phone relatives only minutes after dh had died and invited his sister round even though I hadn’t yet told our children, and when I told them to stop and to allow me some time, they got really rude with me saying they had a ‘right’ to.

Ever since they’ve barely contacted me, not seen the children, been to visit the grave down the road from our house yet not bothered to call in to see me/kids and the final straw is that I was given an old school report of my dh’s during a memorial evening for him which they snuck off the table and are now refusing to give me back saying it belongs to them, despite it being presented to me in front of over 100 people. They have lied saying it had their name on it (there were no names on it) and seem astounded that I’d even want it or would want to keep it for our children.

There have been many more issues in the last few weeks but these are the main ones, they seem to have turned into patronising and controlling bullies and for the sake of maintaining any relationship with them for the sake of my dh and children, I am having to tolerate it. It seems to be my major source of upset right now when all I want to do is quietly grieve for the loss of my husband and my children’s daddy.

AIBU in finding his behaviour terrible? We are all experiencing a big loss but surely this is a time to look out for each other?

Most of the behaviour is driven by dh’s dad, he seems really jealous of me, he doesn’t seem to like that he has no involvement in the situation and everything has to be about what suits them and what is convenient for them.

I feel so so angry and upset that they are behaving like this, they took advantage of me when I was at my most vulnerable and bullied me, taking away those precious last moments with my dh. My dh’s illness was so much more than those last few weeks but they saw none of that and just wanted to cherry pick the times that suited them, they gave us no support at all and I just don’t feel they deserved to have any involvement in those last few days, especially when they waited until dh was sedated and couldn’t voice his wishes or protect me anymore…

OP posts:
TOMS35 · 30/10/2021 00:03

And I also agree about grief and how it makes people behave, it’s a frightening and vulnerable time and so this is why I’ve given them lots of chances/excuses up to now. To lose an adult child and have to relinquish that control and care to someone else during their illness must be so difficult as a parent, but they knew and we made it clear that they were always welcome at ours. Instead if we wanted to see them we were expected to go there, and most of the time dh was feeling so ill from treatment.

They’re not the kind of people who will talk about feelings at all, so it’s not as if I can even discuss any of how they feel or what they’ve felt with them. None of us expected my dh to die, he was young and so fit before this, but I mentally prepared myself in case because with cancer it is always a big possibility. And I find it hard to explain away their lack of interest as being lack of understanding, i don’t think they expected him to die but I do know that they understand he was going through rounds and rounds of awful treatments with 3 kids at home and some support would’ve been very much wanted, even just regular phone calls rather than actual visits.

tobedtoMN · 30/10/2021 00:06

The bald truth is that they are utterly utterly selfish in a very damaging way.

Happymum12345 · 30/10/2021 00:07

It sounds like you are in the rawness of utter grief. I am so sorry for all that you and your children are enduring.
I have no idea why your dh parents are behaving in this way except to say, that the loss of a child & grief generally, effects everyone differently. I truly hope you all manage to find a way to begin to heal your relationships. Flowers

Milliepossum · 30/10/2021 00:08

@Changechangychange

Just block their numbers and hope they go away.

DF’s family were horrible to DM after DF died. They were very open about wanting an equal share of his estate (which she obviously needed to live on and bring up two primary-aged children with - it’s nothing at all like when an elderly person with no dependents dies), and were really shitty with her when she wouldn’t agree to sell our fucking family home to give them a payout.

She cut contact straight after the funeral, it has done me no harm whatsoever over the past 35 years. Do it with a clear conscience.

It gives me comfort you haven’t been traumatised by your family going no contact. I had to make the same decision as your mother made because the in-laws were expecting me to fawn over them and give them enormous amounts of money which I’d need to sell my house to get and make us homeless. There was no offer of help for me or my children, no asking if I needed help with the funeral or anything. They showed no interest in my children from when they were born but suddenly wanted to be central and me as their servant and cash cow. Well it’s been a few years now and I occasionally wonder if it has occurred to them yet that they are unimportant because they are assholes.
hopeso · 30/10/2021 00:10

OP, your post brought tears to my eyes. I am so, so sorry for your loss, but also the terrible behaviour of your DH's parents. I don't think there is any excuse for it. They didn't help, they didn't think about their son, and worst of all, they didn't respect yours and your husband's final wishes. I don't believe they will bring anything of worth to the lives of your children, sorry to say, and you should cut them out of your lives. I understand that death makes people behave strangely, but heightened situations can also show people's true colours. Please take your time, and reach out to those who will show you love and care.

CrocodilesCry · 30/10/2021 00:14

This is unbelievable behaviour, so sorry for your loss

Milliepossum · 30/10/2021 00:16

OP I think you need to put your children and yourself first and go no contact. You are a family unit, you and your children, please protect them from the confusion their horrible grandparents are already causing. You children need you to be able to grieve and to function without those assholes messing this important time up. Good luck, it’s hard, but gets easier with time and without toxic people 🌸

Myusernameisnotmyusernameno · 30/10/2021 00:23

I'm so sorry to read this. They sound despicable. Sorry for your loss too. Please don't give them a minute of your time.

ParkheadParadise · 30/10/2021 00:27

Losing a child at any age is horrific. No parent should have to bury their child.
Everyone reactions differently to a death.

PizzaCrust · 30/10/2021 00:28

This is one of the worst things I’ve ever, ever read on this forum.

I am so sorry for you and your children’s loss. And as for the in laws- they have behaved horrendously. They are absolutely vile.

I don’t want to give you advice as I can’t even begin to understand the full extent of the situation, but based on what I’ve read here, and what I would do if it was me,

I’d lose contact with them. Spend time with your kids, grieving in peace. Taking time to share stories of how wonderful your DH was and in a way, re-writing the end that you were forced to have. They took that away from you, but they can’t stop you and your kids from celebrating his life and I’m sure that is what your husband would much prefer given these circumstances. In other words, rather than bending over backwards to appease these fools, you focus inwards on the only people who truly matter.

They don’t matter. You and your kids, unfortunately, know that golf and the hairdressers was more important than your DH to them. So fuck them. Let them play their pathetic little games. I’d imagine right now they probably feel guilty and pretty fucking shitty for how they behaved, and so they should. But it isn’t on you to make them feel better. They made their bed, they can lie in it.

You are a strong, courageous, amazing woman and mother. You will get through this with your children. The in laws do not matter one iota. Hold your head up high, ignore them (and by that, truly ignore them) and let them quarrel, steal and act like feral animals. When they eventually realise what they’ve done, you’ll be miles away and it’ll be too many (likely) years too late. And good riddance.

You’ve got this Flowers

Willowkins · 30/10/2021 00:30

I'm so sorry for your loss and the ways your DH's parents hijacked your last moments with him Flowers
I think he would have been aware of your presence and your love and that's enough.
This was me 2 years ago. I was so cross with my PILs - for similar reasons.

I keep them at a distance now and we're coolly polite when we do talk but that's it. They don't have a relationship with the DCs because frankly they didn't and still don't take an interest.

I was celebrating today that they are a 100-mile round trip away and I never have to see them. But I don't feel angry anymore. I barely think of them at all.

Cameleongirl · 30/10/2021 00:30

@Cocolapew. I’m not excusing their behavior, I just know from my own experience that some people will actively avoid confronting reality. I don’t condone it at all, but golf and getting your hair done is easier than dealing with terminal illness, IYSWIM. . It’s not the right thing to do, but that’s what some people do, unfortunately.

Westerman · 30/10/2021 00:33

It sounds like they couldn't cope with the impending loss of their son and this kept them away initially. But to then do a complete turn-around and act the way they did is inexplicable and unforgivable. They denied their son his last wish.

I'm so sorry for your terrible loss, OP.

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 30/10/2021 00:37

@ParkheadParadise

Losing a child at any age is horrific. No parent should have to bury their child. Everyone reactions differently to a death.
Nah. As parents they had a duty to support their son when he was dying. They failed dismally and there is no excuse.
TheMadGardener · 30/10/2021 00:50

OP, I am so sorry for your loss. Flowers My DH died of cancer at home two years ago.

Your in-laws sound horrendous. I'd be seeing as little of them as possible if I were you. How dare they treat you like that in your DH's last moments? Maybe if they'd supported you during his illness they would have had more right to be around.

Concentrate on you and your children.

When my DH died, his DF had already died and his DM had dementia so she didn't understand he was dying. But before the dementia she was a lovely caring woman and would only have wanted to honour DH's wishes.

Really wishing you and your children all the best.

Nottogetapenny · 30/10/2021 01:10

I am so sorry, you and your husband didn’t
even get the last precious moments that you both deserved and wanted just the two of you together.
You have been amazing keeping his parents informed every step of the way, even when their responses weren’t what you would of expected from a parent who knew the inevitable.
Looking after your husband must of been so hard, you did all you could to care for him.
His parents have been so selfish and their behaviour inexcusable. They don’t deserve to have you or your children.
I hope you can have a little comfort to know that even people you don’t know, feel for you and your children and are so sorry.🌺

marykitty · 30/10/2021 01:25

So sorry you are going through this Flowers

StressyWoman · 30/10/2021 01:39

Flowers so sorry OP that sounds absolutely awful. You need to think of you and your children now, stop contact with them off even if only temporarily. You sound so lovely still wanting them to maintain a relationship with your children x

Henio · 30/10/2021 01:47

@Iggly

It’s very difficult OP - first of all, what a hard thing for you to deal with, and sending you lots of love. But the complication for me is that because he was their son - I can see why they might want to be there at the end. So I really don’t know. It’s hard to tell.
Not that much if they went on holiday around the time he could have passed away
MimiBearrg · 30/10/2021 01:47

Unfortunately, they did not have enough respect to honor your and your husband's wishes. You are not responsible for their relationship with your children. It is up to them to make the effort. When your children get older and want to reach out to them they can do that, but in the meantime it is not your job. Right now, it is your job to focus on mourning for you and your children and getting through this process. Good luck.

SillyDoriswithaDangler · 30/10/2021 01:52

They are the absolute scum of the earth. I'd never see them again.

BootsScootsAndToots · 30/10/2021 01:57

What a shocking situation for you OP Flowers

I get they might have wanted to see their DS close to the end, but they sound like horrible, selfish people overall.

I hope you can find the strength to cut them out of your life, or keep them at arm's length until you feel you can deal with them.

I'll never understand some people's selfishness 😕

whoopy1 · 30/10/2021 02:04

@Frazzled50yrold

Wow,when was there ever 100%agreement on mumsnet.Prioritise yourself and your children, sometimes it's just impossible to understand behaviours.
Can’t believe it has dropped to 96%. Who on earth are the 4% who thinks the OP is being unfair? Why would anyone think that this dreadful couple are anything other than disgusting specimens of a human being!
starray · 30/10/2021 02:08

@FireworkParrot

I think their behaviour has been appalling, but could it be that they simply found it too difficult to see him and accept that their son was dying and that's why they ducked out during his many monthsrof illness? I'm not saying that's right but maybe they just couldn't accept it? Similarly with the barging in at the end and the taking of the school report.....the lying about it is terrible but maybe it brings back memories of their son when he was a child? I'm not excusing it, I'm just saying I can't imagine what I'd be like if my child was dying nomatter how old they were. I'd hope I'd be rational but I couldn't guarantee it.....
I tend to agree....just playing devil's advocate, but it may very possibly be that it was just too painful for them to face the truth that their child was dying. They were in denial. Then when they finally saw him, a whole gamut of emotions - guilt, which manifested itself as anger and rudeness, may have been the result. As a parent, I can imagine finding news like that almost impossible to face or swallow. I would want to bury my head in the sand and pretend everything was fine, even when deep down I knew it was not. I can understand the report being very very precious to you, but it may also have a real significance to them.
OnyxOryx · 30/10/2021 02:24

How awful OP I'm so sorry both for your loss and that you've been having these problems. I'd have no qualms about totally cutting them out of your life now. Their behaviour has been appalling. Tough shit if they want to see DC it's not upto them. Black their phone numbers and email. If they turn up on your doorstep don't let them in, don't answer the door and if they won't leave, call the police. Flowers