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Bizarre in laws - dh death

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YOR76 · 29/10/2021 22:53

I have never posted on Mumsnet before but I find myself in a bizarre situation and I wonder if I can ask for your opinion/advice?

My husband died of cancer 6 weeks ago, we are young (late 30’s/early 40’s) with 3 children. We have always had a good relationship with my in laws, never any issues in the past, my dh did most of the communicating with them but I also exchanged messages with them about the kids etc.

Since my husband was diagnosed 14 months ago, they have been rubbish at contact, really rubbish. We have barely seen them even though they only live 20 minutes away, weeks would go by where they didn’t contact my dh and any contact with us always fell after golf, childcare for their other grandkids, shopping - we seemed to be at the bottom of the priority pile at a time when we really needed the support. And on the odd occasion they did contact, they weren’t interested in knowing how my dh was and instead asking stupid questions. They saw us 3 times in a year and one one occasion his dad didn’t even get out of the car and just waited at the bottom of the driveway!

Cut to the few weeks before dh died when we were told it was terminal, they still barely spoke to dh, they gave us the occasional ‘if you need us call us’ comment but to be frank, I had too much going on with caring for my dh and the children to go chasing after them. When dh became very ill I suggested they come and see him more often or call by and sit with him so I could have a few hours break, one particular day they told me they couldn’t as they were ‘busy’, when I rang them to say that he’d become quite bad it turns out they were playing golf/at the hairdressers instead of coming to visit their dying son! And his dad was most put out that he had to leave the golf course and made it known as if we should be thankful. The following week they even went away on holiday for a few days, knowing he would die that week - unbelievable.

However, on their return they announced they would be coming to the house every day and despite me asking them to contact first (we had district nurses in around the clock, we were up all night, I was doing all of dh’s care and by this point he was sedated with a syringe driver) they turned up unannounced and stayed for ages. They demanded I call them if he were to die (I politely said I wouldn’t be doing this because I would ensure the nurse was notified first, and then the children to see him and say their goodbyes and plus, it wasn’t as if he were going anywhere), and told me they would continue to come over every day, despite me telling them that this is not what either of us wanted.

At this stage I had nurses in most of the day meaning I got very little time alone with dh and I just wanted chance to sit with him and slowly say goodbye, we had both agreed that we wanted to be at home together in our bedroom when he died without lots of people there. I voiced this to the in laws but they said they didn’t care, they would be coming and basically told me I had no choice in the matter - in my own home.

On the day of dh’s death, they turned up after messaging me to tell me (not ask me) they would be coming and staying for an hour, which caused me real anxiety because I just knew dh was in his last few hours. Of course they stayed for far longer and despite me politely asking them to leave because our wishes had been to be alone, they refused and dh died while they were there. We didn’t get our goodbye we wished for, they recognised this with the nurse but said they didn’t care, they started to phone relatives only minutes after dh had died and invited his sister round even though I hadn’t yet told our children, and when I told them to stop and to allow me some time, they got really rude with me saying they had a ‘right’ to.

Ever since they’ve barely contacted me, not seen the children, been to visit the grave down the road from our house yet not bothered to call in to see me/kids and the final straw is that I was given an old school report of my dh’s during a memorial evening for him which they snuck off the table and are now refusing to give me back saying it belongs to them, despite it being presented to me in front of over 100 people. They have lied saying it had their name on it (there were no names on it) and seem astounded that I’d even want it or would want to keep it for our children.

There have been many more issues in the last few weeks but these are the main ones, they seem to have turned into patronising and controlling bullies and for the sake of maintaining any relationship with them for the sake of my dh and children, I am having to tolerate it. It seems to be my major source of upset right now when all I want to do is quietly grieve for the loss of my husband and my children’s daddy.

AIBU in finding his behaviour terrible? We are all experiencing a big loss but surely this is a time to look out for each other?

Most of the behaviour is driven by dh’s dad, he seems really jealous of me, he doesn’t seem to like that he has no involvement in the situation and everything has to be about what suits them and what is convenient for them.

I feel so so angry and upset that they are behaving like this, they took advantage of me when I was at my most vulnerable and bullied me, taking away those precious last moments with my dh. My dh’s illness was so much more than those last few weeks but they saw none of that and just wanted to cherry pick the times that suited them, they gave us no support at all and I just don’t feel they deserved to have any involvement in those last few days, especially when they waited until dh was sedated and couldn’t voice his wishes or protect me anymore…

OP posts:
ivykaty44 · 30/10/2021 07:09

Sorry for your loss

It is hard enough saying goodbye when someone you live is dying but to have someone take away a last goodbye would be soul destroying.

I’d be busy every time they call, if they do call at the house - grab your coats and be on your way ou

You don’t need that type of negativity in your life

ivykaty44 · 30/10/2021 07:12

I'd suggest you all try and be kind to one another.

It’s the fact these people have been unkind, refusing to do as requested and taking things that don’t belong to them. Op can force these people to be kind

willstarttomorrow · 30/10/2021 07:13

I second the advice to join WAY- it is a club no one wants to join. The thing about being widowed young is that unless you have been there you can have really no idea how lonely and unique the situation is. You become a single parent overnight, the rhythms of daily life change instantly and the life you envisaged living and your dreams for your family go overnight. You have no control over living a life you do not want whilst supporting young children who have lost a parent. For me the change in the morning chaos and laughter, meal times and not treating DH to posh coffee when I saw it on offer in the supermarket that took ages to come to terms with. Small things no one thinks of. So whilst the parents are also grieving, it is not the same at all because whilst they have lost their son, their life continues as normal.

You have my sympathies OP, go easy on yourself and do what you need to do to get your little family through this. Never has the phrase 'one day at a time' been more apt- do not think too far ahead. X

SunshineCake1 · 30/10/2021 07:15

@CampagVelocet

Their son was dying. Can you really honestly say you'd be entirely rational if one of your children was about to die? I think we all have the potential to behave oddly in such awful circumstances. I'd suggest you all try and be kind to one another.
But the parents get a pass on being kind?
PicsInRed · 30/10/2021 07:15

especially when they waited until dh was sedated and couldn’t voice his wishes or protect me anymore…

You said the truest and most important element right in the last sentence.

Protect your children from these people. They will attempt to take over with your children and push you out. Don't ever give them the opportunity.

carpetbugs · 30/10/2021 07:16

Their son was dying. Can you really honestly say you'd be entirely rational if one of your children was about to die? I think we all have the potential to behave oddly in such awful circumstances. I'd suggest you all try and be kind to one another.

This is BS. I would be distraught & irrational. I wouldn't barely see my child, offer little support & then ignore their dying wishes. They were selfish & put themselves first.

Llicdd · 30/10/2021 07:19

@Justheretoaskaquestion91

I’m extremely surprised by the majority of the comments on here and the complete lack of compassion and empathy for two parents who have lost their son. Surely there is nothing worse than burying a child?! I can’t imagine it.

I read this post and I was thinking it sounded like two parents dealing horrendously badly with an impossible situation for them. Huge denial and avoidance followed by terrified panic and inappropriate behaviour as a result of that panic, fear and heartbreak.

It doesn’t make it better for you. No. You’ve been treated very poorly and you and your husband didn’t get your goodbye, and I am very sorry for your loss.

If I’m being honest though I find it hard to imagine not being there for the end if it were my sons and I would probably feel I had that right/would just refuse to leave (I’m just supposing but then again my boys are babies so maybe it changes when they are adults?)

I would let the dust settle and give them time to grieve, give yourself time to grieve xxx

I agree with this.
carpetbugs · 30/10/2021 07:22

I’m extremely surprised by the majority of the comments on here and the complete lack of compassion and empathy for two parents who have lost their son. Surely there is nothing worse than burying a child?! I can’t imagine it.

Where was their empathy & compassion for their son, the OP & their gc? Surely there's nothing worse then knowing you are dying & your parents not wanting to see you?

cultkid · 30/10/2021 07:23

Sickos

Cut them out

Know that you tried your hardest and they didn't honour what your husband wanted

You didn't let him down the kids down or yourself

I am so sorry for your loss

Gwlondon · 30/10/2021 07:25

@TOMS35 I am sorry for your loss. I think they have suffered too but treated you badly. You couldn’t really ask them not to be there at the end because he was their son.

I think the pandemic might have made a difference. They might not have wanted to “break rules” or put your husband at risk. Technically you couldn’t meet during lockdowns unless someone was end-of-life. Doesn’t excuse the summer though. I think the offer of money was their way.

I think your FIL has poor health hence the golf stuff. I think he is not able to communicate it to you. He is probably frightened for his health. Selfish but frightened.

I think the other factor is that your MIL doesn’t drive so they had to come together. So if he is frightened/ not 100% they didn’t make an effort.

I think concentrate on your self and what you need to grieve. Don’t put yourself out more than you want to. I am so so sorry. The pandemic sucked and you had to do all the caring for your DH over the pandemic.

Mummyoflittledragon · 30/10/2021 07:26

Not only did they trash every single boundary, they also made your dh’s last few days all about themselves and all the frivolities in their lives. Yes, that is grotesque. I’d liken them to grotesque characters from a crass comedy show.

They have the report and somehow, you will come to terms with them having it. Perhaps by knowing you’d have given it to them had they asked.

Please cut them off. They’re emotional vampires and completely draining your energy.

ShepherdMoons · 30/10/2021 07:26

I am so sorry for your loss and the way your laws are behaving. Please put yourself and your children first, take time to grieve, please don’t feel obligated to cater for the ILS.

They sound selfish and entitled, yes they are grieving but have no empathy for you. I would write a letter or email explaining everything and that you need some time for you and the children. Be clear about how their behaviour has hurt you.

Liverbird77 · 30/10/2021 07:29

You aren't being at all unreasonable.
Your story has moved me to tears. I am so very sorry for your loss.
Going forward, you do what's best for you and the children. Disregard them.

Mummyoflittledragon · 30/10/2021 07:29

[quote Gwlondon]@TOMS35 I am sorry for your loss. I think they have suffered too but treated you badly. You couldn’t really ask them not to be there at the end because he was their son.

I think the pandemic might have made a difference. They might not have wanted to “break rules” or put your husband at risk. Technically you couldn’t meet during lockdowns unless someone was end-of-life. Doesn’t excuse the summer though. I think the offer of money was their way.

I think your FIL has poor health hence the golf stuff. I think he is not able to communicate it to you. He is probably frightened for his health. Selfish but frightened.

I think the other factor is that your MIL doesn’t drive so they had to come together. So if he is frightened/ not 100% they didn’t make an effort.

I think concentrate on your self and what you need to grieve. Don’t put yourself out more than you want to. I am so so sorry. The pandemic sucked and you had to do all the caring for your DH over the pandemic.[/quote]
I think this is an overly kind interpretation. Perhaps there is a grain of truth. But significantly glosses over both op’s and her dh’s ex wife’s experience.

mountbattenbergcake · 30/10/2021 07:29

@Justheretoaskaquestion91

I’m extremely surprised by the majority of the comments on here and the complete lack of compassion and empathy for two parents who have lost their son. Surely there is nothing worse than burying a child?! I can’t imagine it.

I read this post and I was thinking it sounded like two parents dealing horrendously badly with an impossible situation for them. Huge denial and avoidance followed by terrified panic and inappropriate behaviour as a result of that panic, fear and heartbreak.

It doesn’t make it better for you. No. You’ve been treated very poorly and you and your husband didn’t get your goodbye, and I am very sorry for your loss.

If I’m being honest though I find it hard to imagine not being there for the end if it were my sons and I would probably feel I had that right/would just refuse to leave (I’m just supposing but then again my boys are babies so maybe it changes when they are adults?)

I would let the dust settle and give them time to grieve, give yourself time to grieve xxx

Yes there is worse. Watching your dying husband get ignored by his own family.
bogeythefungusman · 30/10/2021 07:31

Sorry for your loss. Really hope you and your children are getting support elsewhere.

Could almost understand the first reaction to your husband's illness - not being able to cope with the news that their son was dying, so avoiding having to deal with it.

However, their later reaction seems utterly bizarre, and quite frankly, cruel. Do you think they perhaps wanted to be 'seen' to step up, 'seen' to care?

Does the person who gave you the school report have any connection to your in-laws and could they ask that it be returned either to them or you?

If I was in your situation I would write to in-laws, basically stating facts as in your OP, keeping the letter as unemotional as possible. Then withdraw. You do not have to have a relationship with them. Neither do your children.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 30/10/2021 07:32

I'd cut them off entirely.
They were no use to you when you actually needed help, or when they could have seen your DH; they actively hindered the situation in his last few days and hours, and now they're just being arseholes.

As they bring nothing positive to your or your kids' lives, then bin them off entirely.

Mummyoflittledragon · 30/10/2021 07:33

Yes there is worse. Watching your dying husband get ignored by his own family.

Quite. I wasn’t yet an adult and I knew how wrong it was.

LunaTheCat · 30/10/2021 07:37

I am so sorry for your enormous loss and also for having to heal with them - they sound so inconsiderate!
Do what you need for your, and for your children
Seek out supportive people around you - friends and family that you find comforting.

Wineandroses3 · 30/10/2021 07:39

This sounds absolutely horrific I am angry just reading this. I am so sorry for your loss.you sound lovely OP and I’m glad your children have got you to guide them through this. Before every decision I would just say to yourself me and my children are the
Priority . I would put off dealing with them right now, you are going through too much, deal with them at a later date when you feel stronger , try not to let them take up another minute of your thoughts. Just do all you can to get you and your children strong again xxxx

Pinkorangutan · 30/10/2021 07:40

OP so very, very sorry for your loss and that of your children 💐. I just wanted to say that you sound absolutely lovely.

I'm not an over the top wonderful person, I can be selfish and self absorbed. But there are times when you have to set that aside. And the impending death of a family member is one of those. They absolutely should have helped and supported you during your husband's illness. I've done this for an acquaintance of mine, let alone family members. We've lost several family members, including someone far too young. It may have been difficult, seemingly impossible at times, but I went to see him when it was unbearable, because that's the right and kind thing to do.

There are many people on Mn that just don't get about toxic, narcissistic families, and it sounds like your FiL, if not both your ILs, sound like this. So they post as if they're talking about loving, functioning people, who are just acting out of character. Your darling husband's family have shown by their earlier behaviour before even he got ill that they are all about themselves.

NC might be a step too far for you. But certainly don't make all the effort with them. And don't let them cherry pick when they see the children. For instance, not seeing them all year and then insisting you go to them for Christmas Day, over your own family, who have been there for you all year. You can see them on Boxing Day if that works better for you. You owe them nothing.

Cling onto to your lovely children, take good care of yourself, take all the help you are offered and don't give your ILs any more headspace. They really don't deserve it.

Sending love and hugs.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 30/10/2021 07:45

Cutting people off is such a quick and easy piece of advice on MN and although sometimes it’s warranted, it’s so childish most of the time. In this situation it’s just not how I think adults should behave. When someone has behaved badly perhaps give them some space and try at a later date to discuss with them how their behaviour has affected you snd your dearly departed DH and find a way through. It might be nice in the end to have this link with each other.

Their behaviour was appalling as I’ve said but have people never behaved badly and regretted it?! If they were nice enough before and had a good relationship with DH they hve hardly suddenly turned into monsters have they? More likely they were mad with grief. Updates sound like perhaps the father made the mother go along with his wishes anyway

Eddielzzard · 30/10/2021 07:46

So so sorry for your loss and what you've had to deal with. Flowers

they seem to have turned into patronising and controlling bullies and for the sake of maintaining any relationship with them for the sake of my dh and children, I am having to tolerate it.

No, I don't think you have to tolerate it any more. They have behaved utterly appallingly and you're well within your rights to go no contact. I don't think maintaining a relationship for your DH and your children with parents who have been this awful should be a priority, let alone at the risk of your mental health. I'd go so far as to say that I wouldn't want my children to be exposed to such toxicity. Don't let them bully you. Dig out your quiet space and grieve as you all need to.

hellywelly3 · 30/10/2021 07:46

I can’t imagine contact with these dreadful people brings much to your children’s life. Don’t feel you have to make any effort to have any contact with them.

mountbattenbergcake · 30/10/2021 07:49

@Mummyoflittledragon

Yes there is worse. Watching your dying husband get ignored by his own family.

Quite. I wasn’t yet an adult and I knew how wrong it was.

Flowers

I felt like the influx of people on the day my father died was too much, so can’t imagine how much worse it was for you.

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