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Hand hold needed - call off engagement?

325 replies

blueblueelectricblue28 · 21/10/2021 11:43

I need some help and I don't know where to turn. I'll try and keep it as brief as possible. I've got tears streaming down my face writing this.

Both 30, together nearly 5 years, engaged 4 months. Wedding booked for next summer.

I've spent the last 4 days in tears after an incident at the weekend over Sunday pub lunch with friends - conversation was lively/people talking over each other a little, as can happen. I cut in as he opened his mouth (doesn't sound great written down but in the context of the group and conversation wasn't such a faux pas) and he said, loudly "will you LET ME SPEAK" to me. The whole table went silent and no one knew where to look. it was so humiliating. He also got into an argument with the staff as they needed the table back and he didn't want to move. When we got home I was so upset, this turned into an argument with him shouting at me to SHUT THE FUCK UP so I left the flat and walked around for a couple of hours holding back the tears. I just wanted to run away.

A week before we got engaged we were waiting for an Uber which was having difficulty finding us (due to roadworks) and I ordered it on my phone. He got impatient, snapped and said "stop being a cunt!". I spent the whole journey in the car frozen with fear and when I got home I went into the bedroom and squeezed myself into a small space between two bits of furniture where I felt safe and hidden. I can't explain that, it sounds like such a mad thing to do but I wanted to hide myself away in a small space and not come out. Less than a week later he proposed to me and I have to admit my gut feeling when I saw the ring was "its not right". I feel that I got so swept up with everyone else's celebrations and happiness around it I didn't check in with myself to ask if it was right for me. My parents had an unhappy marriage and I have had difficulty with my boundaries in the past. I've also stopped taking recreational drugs after several years so have revised a lot of my friendships with that in mind (I am so happy to be clean, but feel a bit more isolated because of it, so don't have as many people around me to lean on in the event of a break up TBH)

I could go on. He pushed me out of the room with both hands a few months ago too. Said it was my fault, I'd driven him to it (as I always seem to) He has quite hot headed and will often tell me to fuck off, shut up, raise his voice or slam doors when we argue. he did call me a cunt once before and I said I would leave if he spoke to me like that again... well I guess the joke's on me now.

We've had sex once in the 4 months we've been engaged, this has been a bone of contention for a couple of years as he just isn't interested in me (he's been stressed/tired/on AD's which I realise can be a problem but nothing's been done to fix it)
Sex has to be on his terms with both of us fully showered and at a time he wants it, it always follows the same pattern and feels quite formulaic. I've tried to suggest new things but he's refused. Usually happens about once every 2-4 weeks. I feel like I'm wasting away here, sex and intimacy is so important to me, and I long to share that with someone else.
I was abused sexually in the past so initially a partner who wasn't pestering me for sex all the time was quite refreshing but its become apparent it isn't right for me.

I know I need to leave but I lack the confidence to do it - finding somewhere new to live seems so daunting, living independently, starting over, dividing up our things, losing friends, not to mention the calling off of the wedding, letting guests know, cancelling suppliers etc. Additionally I feel so afraid of "losing face" as we have had so much love and excitement from people around the wedding and to rip the plaster off and deal with the inevitable upset and feelings of shame and failure feels terrifying.

He knows something is up and I am having doubts about the marriage. He's trying to make it better by booking us a weekend away, coming off AD's to kick start his libido but its just too little too late and I want out.
When I think of us separated, or him with someone else, I can't stop crying, we have had many happy memories aside from the bad times and he has helped me through some difficulties which have been painful, so I feel completely torn.
He earns much more than me so pays the majority of the rent and I see a psychotherapist once a week which he covers 50% of. I am worried about how this could change if we separate. She has been amazing and a real comfort to me.

Additionally, I have been talking to another man and getting close to him. He knows the situation and while I think he might be a red herring and I am not looking to be "saved" by another man, it has been a real eye opener to feel desired and wanted again by someone and to be validated that the current situation isn't right.

Downloaded the Lundy Bancroft book I see so often recommended on here and although I am finding it tough to read (as it makes it all "real") a lot of lights are turning on in my head.

Sorry for the extremely long post, I'd really welcome any thoughts and please be gentle with me, it's all such a mess and I'm really hurting.

OP posts:
Pinkbonbon · 26/10/2021 12:50

Infact I would definately send a text that involves telling him to not contact you anymore because then if he does, you have written proof you asked him to stay away.

billy1966 · 26/10/2021 13:44

I also think sending a simple text that "We are over, completely finished. There is nothing to discuss. Do NOT contact me again"

This can't be misconstrued and you will be able to show the police that you were very explicit in your wishes to him.

Be sure to tell everyone that he is highly abusive, has assaulted you, and caused you to hide in the house from him.

Be thankful that his outburst at the lunch was able to trigger this and drop the scales from your eyes.

This is a great day OP, despite how you may be feeling.

Flowers
NamechangedGamechanged12 · 26/10/2021 14:59

Wishing you lots luck. I was in the exact same position as you but we did get married and it did get worse. I also cleared out my things when he was at work and unsuspecting. No note, nothing. He didn’t deserve it. He knew deep down why I’d left. He made my name mud and told our mutual friends that I’d cheated etc (I didn’t) but 2 years later at age 32 I met my husband. We married, had a daughter, and have been together for 20 years. I honestly thought my life had ended when I left when in fact it had only just begun. Don’t be afraid. You will be fine.

blueblueelectricblue28 · 26/10/2021 15:21

Just an update. My friends DH will be here in 10 mins and I’m sat with all my things packed up and ready to go. I can’t stop crying and I need him to come here and take me away before I doubt myself again.
I know I shouldn’t feel like this but I really did love and care for him so much, to know that I will hurt him tonight is painful in itself but I’ve got to focus on me now and moving forward.
Thank you for all the advice and hand holds - truly amazing, @billy1966 in particular. See you all on the other side!

OP posts:
Sparklfairy · 26/10/2021 15:24

Best of luck OP. You're absolutely doing the right thing Flowers

Loyaultemelie · 26/10/2021 15:32

Wishing you luck Thanks

SuperJune · 26/10/2021 15:32

Best of luck OP!! I have been thinking of you and wishing you well all day. You are such a strong person and very inspirational too no doubt. I am delighted for you that you are leaving. Not sure whereabouts in London you are based (or perhaps i misread and you aren't from London at all) but, in any case, a million hugs from hackney ThanksThanksThanks

billy1966 · 26/10/2021 15:35

Wishing you the very best.

Cry your tears, get it out.

This is ALL on him and he will know it too.

It would be a terrible thing to make such an awful man, a father.

Fill people in honestly, talking about it truthfully out loud, will be good for you.

You have NOTHING to be ashamed of.

That is ALL for him to shoulder.

Flowers
Moooning · 26/10/2021 15:38

You are amazing, and so are your friends.

It will all be okay in the end, remember that this is not the life you want.

Try not to engage at all with him after a final text ending things. It will be better in the long run.

layladomino · 26/10/2021 15:50

Well done you are absolutely doing the right thing.

You feel bad about him being hurt, but that is no reason to stay with someone is it? And in any case, he has created the situation. He caused the breakdown of your relationship. And how much time has he spent worrying about if he's hurting you?

Even if he's hurt, he'll get over it. Whereas if you'd stayed, you would continue being hurt by him your whole life. He's been causing you upset, hurt and worry while you're worrying about HIS feelings.

MadMadMadamMim · 26/10/2021 15:52

Very best of luck. I think you've made the best decision ever and you won't look back.

Agree with all the advice not to discuss it with him. A simply text to say something along the lines of You were abusive and I do not want to hear from you again makes it really clear where you stand.

I agree with other posters who say he knows he is controlling and treats you like shit. He absolutely knows that his behaviour has crossed a line. He doesn't care. He will try and manipulate you into believing this is your fault. Don't give him the opportunity.

yellowpigeons · 26/10/2021 16:05

I am utterly jealous reading this thread OP, as I suffocate in my own abusive marriage, which I hope supplies you with further evidence you're doing the right thing. You're taking the right sliding door at the moment we all wish we had.

EdgeOfTheSky · 26/10/2021 16:09

Very well done OP.

Your decisiveness and willingness to accept advice and support had and will stand you in very good stead.

Do you have any joint bank accounts / cards, or utility bills in your name? Don’t fret about his emotional state, he is the architect of his own downfall, keep yourself busy looking after your own interests.

Take your share of savings out of any joint account and tell the bank you want your name taken off.

Ditto any credit card he has on your account. No room for him to take any financial revenge! He is a mast piece of work and may well seek to regain control by any means he can .

3 cheers for your friend and her DH!

4 cheers for you.

dottiedodah · 26/10/2021 16:13

He sounds like he has an awful temper! You know deep down he is abusive , it takes a lot to leave someone esp if you feel dependent on them .The fact you have met another man means you are unhappy in this RL(who can blame you?) I would make plans to leave and break off your EN ASAP!

StillSmallVoice · 26/10/2021 16:21

Go well. Things will only get better from here.

blueblueelectricblue28 · 26/10/2021 16:50

Well I’m out. Leaving the flat was gut wrenching. My friend made up my room and lit a candle so it was warm and welcoming and I’m so touched. I alternate between feeling nothing at all and crying hysterically which I’m sure will be the status quo for the next few days.
My therapist advised me to take it literally hour by hour to get through and I’ll be doing just that.

Bank accounts - we have a joint one for the rent and bills but all else is kept separately, thank god. No joint credit cards. I took all cards and financial stuff with me anyway so that’s all sorted thank you.

I think I will notify work now so they know what to expect tomorrow. I think going into the office could actually be beneficial rather than too much time on my own but we will see.

Thank you all for the reassurances. I really did love him so much but only the non abusive parts.

OP posts:
Teacupsandtoast · 26/10/2021 16:56

You are so brave. The next few weeks are going to be tough but you are saving yourself from a life of misery - don't let him beat you down

dramalessllama · 26/10/2021 16:57

You are so brave, and I am so proud of you! Hour by hour, minute by minute, or second by second. The pain will end, but the only way out is through.

Be extra kind to yourself. Sending long distance love and hugs! xoxo

Itawapuddytat · 26/10/2021 16:57

Well done, OP! Wishing you all the best Flowers

Dery · 26/10/2021 17:03

“You are so brave, and I am so proud of you! Hour by hour, minute by minute, or second by second. The pain will end, but the only way out is through.

Be extra kind to yourself.”

This with bells on, OP! This is your first step in your journey to a much happier place. It’s going to be very tough for a while but you’ll be so much happier once the dust has settled.

Pinkbonbon · 26/10/2021 17:05

I'm so pleased for you op! Well done in making the leap. Absolutely go to work if you feel up to it but don't force yourself if you don't.

Oh and he won't be hurting tonight at all (well apart from his ego). He'll just be pissed off that his victim has escaped. And thinking up wayy to trick you into coming back.

Might be worthwhile to Google 'narcissists hoovering examples'. Don't answer any withheld number calls. Be aware that he may try to tell ppl you've gone nuts and he is worried about you.

He may also threaten suicide, if he does that, don't respond, just call the police, tell them the scenario and they can decide whether or not to send someone. He'll soon stop that bs if he gets in trouble with the police for it.

But hopefully, if you block him, you won't have to deal with anything like that :)

JaniceBing · 26/10/2021 17:09

So pleased for you OP. You're stronger than you think! Next few weeks will be tough but you've done the hardest bit :) Brighter days await you x

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 26/10/2021 17:11

Well done for getting out. @blueblueelectricblue28 ❤️

Don't EVER go back. What you've done is amazing. Be proud of yourself. You've got a lot of random Mumsnetters that are VERY happy for you! ThanksCakeWine

NeverDropYourMooncup · 26/10/2021 17:17

That was a huge step you took in your recovery from drugs - because he was a drug, too - he gave you adrenaline rushes, possibly left you feeling that you needed a sedative, gave you endorphins when he was feeling like being nice to you. Your distress is effectively the start of withdrawal symptoms from the highs and lows and terror that led to you hiding between the furniture like a terrified five year old.

The other man was in danger of becoming another drug, another external means to escape from an intolerable existence.

You will be fine. You have the strength in you to be yourself without external substances, whether bought from a dealer, an off licence or provided from the emotional turmoil of an abusive relationship.

You're free and it will all be OK.

CaveWoman1 · 26/10/2021 17:33

You’ve answered your own questions on your post. You know you have to break it off.

You’re so young, honestly don’t go ahead and make a life with someone you know you won’t be happy with. He’s not your happily ever after but you know that already.

So sorry you’re going through this but you know what; painful lessons are the ones we often learn most from. Get the hard bit over & done with & you’ll be free to find true happiness

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