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Hand hold needed - call off engagement?

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blueblueelectricblue28 · 21/10/2021 11:43

I need some help and I don't know where to turn. I'll try and keep it as brief as possible. I've got tears streaming down my face writing this.

Both 30, together nearly 5 years, engaged 4 months. Wedding booked for next summer.

I've spent the last 4 days in tears after an incident at the weekend over Sunday pub lunch with friends - conversation was lively/people talking over each other a little, as can happen. I cut in as he opened his mouth (doesn't sound great written down but in the context of the group and conversation wasn't such a faux pas) and he said, loudly "will you LET ME SPEAK" to me. The whole table went silent and no one knew where to look. it was so humiliating. He also got into an argument with the staff as they needed the table back and he didn't want to move. When we got home I was so upset, this turned into an argument with him shouting at me to SHUT THE FUCK UP so I left the flat and walked around for a couple of hours holding back the tears. I just wanted to run away.

A week before we got engaged we were waiting for an Uber which was having difficulty finding us (due to roadworks) and I ordered it on my phone. He got impatient, snapped and said "stop being a cunt!". I spent the whole journey in the car frozen with fear and when I got home I went into the bedroom and squeezed myself into a small space between two bits of furniture where I felt safe and hidden. I can't explain that, it sounds like such a mad thing to do but I wanted to hide myself away in a small space and not come out. Less than a week later he proposed to me and I have to admit my gut feeling when I saw the ring was "its not right". I feel that I got so swept up with everyone else's celebrations and happiness around it I didn't check in with myself to ask if it was right for me. My parents had an unhappy marriage and I have had difficulty with my boundaries in the past. I've also stopped taking recreational drugs after several years so have revised a lot of my friendships with that in mind (I am so happy to be clean, but feel a bit more isolated because of it, so don't have as many people around me to lean on in the event of a break up TBH)

I could go on. He pushed me out of the room with both hands a few months ago too. Said it was my fault, I'd driven him to it (as I always seem to) He has quite hot headed and will often tell me to fuck off, shut up, raise his voice or slam doors when we argue. he did call me a cunt once before and I said I would leave if he spoke to me like that again... well I guess the joke's on me now.

We've had sex once in the 4 months we've been engaged, this has been a bone of contention for a couple of years as he just isn't interested in me (he's been stressed/tired/on AD's which I realise can be a problem but nothing's been done to fix it)
Sex has to be on his terms with both of us fully showered and at a time he wants it, it always follows the same pattern and feels quite formulaic. I've tried to suggest new things but he's refused. Usually happens about once every 2-4 weeks. I feel like I'm wasting away here, sex and intimacy is so important to me, and I long to share that with someone else.
I was abused sexually in the past so initially a partner who wasn't pestering me for sex all the time was quite refreshing but its become apparent it isn't right for me.

I know I need to leave but I lack the confidence to do it - finding somewhere new to live seems so daunting, living independently, starting over, dividing up our things, losing friends, not to mention the calling off of the wedding, letting guests know, cancelling suppliers etc. Additionally I feel so afraid of "losing face" as we have had so much love and excitement from people around the wedding and to rip the plaster off and deal with the inevitable upset and feelings of shame and failure feels terrifying.

He knows something is up and I am having doubts about the marriage. He's trying to make it better by booking us a weekend away, coming off AD's to kick start his libido but its just too little too late and I want out.
When I think of us separated, or him with someone else, I can't stop crying, we have had many happy memories aside from the bad times and he has helped me through some difficulties which have been painful, so I feel completely torn.
He earns much more than me so pays the majority of the rent and I see a psychotherapist once a week which he covers 50% of. I am worried about how this could change if we separate. She has been amazing and a real comfort to me.

Additionally, I have been talking to another man and getting close to him. He knows the situation and while I think he might be a red herring and I am not looking to be "saved" by another man, it has been a real eye opener to feel desired and wanted again by someone and to be validated that the current situation isn't right.

Downloaded the Lundy Bancroft book I see so often recommended on here and although I am finding it tough to read (as it makes it all "real") a lot of lights are turning on in my head.

Sorry for the extremely long post, I'd really welcome any thoughts and please be gentle with me, it's all such a mess and I'm really hurting.

OP posts:
expat101 · 26/10/2021 01:21

Your friends and family will definitely support you if you choose to end the relationship now. No one will think anything the worse of you for doing so.

Footnote. My dad waited until we were in the car driving to the church to ask me if I wanted to change my mind. I turned and saw my now xDH’s aunt and uncle behind us and honestly I think if they hadn’t been there, I would have got dad to turn the car around.

Call time out. Your relationship has run its course.

Bogeyes · 26/10/2021 04:52

Many years ago I was friendly with a couple who we used to share nights out with. The man asked the woman to marry him and she said yes because she was scared to day no. He used to beat her up. It was awful. Please don't marry this man who is rotten inside. You will not be happy.

Bogeyes · 26/10/2021 04:53

If it feels wrong.....then it is wrong.

Flippyflops2021 · 26/10/2021 05:46

Along with everyone else- this is the right thing to do.

Imagine life where you can be yourself and not feel like you’ve felt over the last however long. A relationship should be your safest place to be. It should be someone to come home to at the end of the day and care for eachother. Yes it’s not always ‘perfect’ but honestly what you’ve experienced is awful. It must have all escalated slowly for you to not really realise it’s wrong.

Wishing you the best Star

blueblueelectricblue28 · 26/10/2021 09:07

I’ve hardly slept a wink and feel so nervous about what’s going to happen. Please don’t let me bottle it Sad

OP posts:
Ticksallboxes · 26/10/2021 09:10

You are completely doing the right thing but your feelings are also completely understandable.

From what you've written you still love this man and obviously hate the idea of upsetting him, so you're going to have a tough time grieving for what was for a while, but then you'll be able to move on.

I think what you love though sounds like the roughly 30% of what makes this man a decent person. You've been minimising the 70% bad stuff for years and this is why you are where you are.

Good luck and try and keep us updated.

CecilieRose · 26/10/2021 09:11

You know you can do it, OP! Let 30 be the beginning of a new, happy decade for you without this horrible man bringing you down and insulting you. I hope the packing and moving out goes well!

DFOD · 26/10/2021 09:18

What time is your brother coming over?

bluejelly · 26/10/2021 09:19

Stay strong OP. You cannot marry him. I promise you will find someone else worthy of your love and commitment.

Dery · 26/10/2021 09:19

@Ticksallboxes has nailed it.

It’s natural to have very conflicting feelings about this including grief that this relationship is not what you hoped it would be.

You face short-term pain and discomfort if you leave now. If you stay, you will face very long-term pain and discomfort and it will be much harder to leave when you finally do it. The sooner you leave, the sooner you begin the journey to recovery. Even if he was the nicest man in the world, you’d be right to leave him because of how you feel but he’s not - he’s abusive and this relationship is bad for you.

You’re doing the right thing. Leave a note if it helps. Don’t make it a blaming note. Keep it neutral but make clear that it’s over. Don’t try to let him down gently. It won’t work.

Good luck, OP. It’s very tough right now but your future self is already thanking you.

blueblueelectricblue28 · 26/10/2021 09:20

@DFOD

What time is your brother coming over?
My friends husband is coming to get me at 3.30 today - he offered to bring a couple of other guys with him (as back up/male presence) but my fiancé will be at work til the evening so I think it should be ok just me and him. I feel like the worst person in the world when he told me he loved me and we would get through this when he left just now… why can’t he see the writings on the wall and I want out?!
OP posts:
Hopeisallineed · 26/10/2021 09:23

It’s not going to get any better OP, only worse.

thisplaceisweird · 26/10/2021 09:33

You got this OP!! The next 2 weeks will be tough. He'll use all the tricks in the book. Be strong, lean into your amazing friends and work on you.
In 6 months you'll be so proud of yourself for making this important decision.

Hopeisallineed · 26/10/2021 09:37

Just read the updates. Sorry! You go girl. Absolutely doing the right thing. Best of luck for today and stay strong.

Ticksallboxes · 26/10/2021 09:45

Your future self is already thanking you.

This!

billy1966 · 26/10/2021 09:49

That whole table will not be ONE bit surprised to hear your relationship is over.
Believe me.
As @cuttlefishgame rightly wrote, in the silence they were ALL thinking wtf is he like in private.

You are in an extremely abusive relationship.

The only direction your relationship was going was a refuge for battered women with a couple of utterly traumatised children.

If you have time ring Women's aid.
Let them confirm the trajectory of a relationship like yours.
Let them confirm to you that you are saving your life by leaving.

Imagine doing today with a couple of small upset children.
Imagine how hard that is for som many brave women, who do it every day.

You are so blessed with family and your friends.
Many do it with only a small bag and a refuge to go to.

He is a really bad man.
You have already been assaulted by him.

Once you are married the beatings would come, of that you can be sure.
Probably the minute he had you pregnant.

He is a nasty thug, no more, no less.

There is every chance he will try and contact you with tears, begging you to return, threatening suicide.

Classic pattern for abusers.

Do not respond.

Ring the police, tell them you have left a highly abusive relationship, he is NOW threatening suicide and ask that they do a WELFARE CHECK.

They will call to him and he won't bother threatening you again with that.

The police are well used to dealing with abusive thugs that harass their victims that have left them.

Make sure you take absolutely everything of value to you.

I think telling work you have left an abusive relationship could also be helpful, for additional support.

Keep posting.
Well done for being brave and not truly fxxking up your life by marrying a thug.

Flowers
Sidge · 26/10/2021 09:50

You can do this. You owe it to yourself.

Remind yourself of the frightened, sad woman who wedged herself between furniture in an attempt to disappear. Is that the life you want for yourself? No. You are worth so much more than that. Life can be so much more than that.

Chin up. Tits out. Deep breath. You got this. And you also have people supporting you, in person and online. You are not alone.

CecilieRose · 26/10/2021 09:52

OP he said that because he thinks it's acceptable to abuse you and then decide everything should be lovely and rosy afterwards. Only it's not his decision, is it? You shouldn't have to 'get through' horrible abuse from a man you're not even married to yet. This should be an exciting time and instead you're being called a cunt and feel unsafe and uncomfortable in your own home. It's his choice to treat you like that, and his fault that you've rightly decided you want out.

billy1966 · 26/10/2021 09:52

Telling you he loves you means NOTHING.

Words are so cheap.

Do you think "i love you" means anything to a woman who has had the stuffing beaten out of her and her children upstairs can hear?

Words are nothing.

Actions are EVERYTHING.

He is a thug who says I love you.

He is absolutely worthless as a person.

A nasty abusive thug.

Flowers
billy1966 · 26/10/2021 09:55

Oh and when you remember how terrified you felt hiding among the furniture, think how any children you would have might feel, him screaming abuse at you, beating you and them hearing it all, terrified, traumatised, and scared for life.

This was your future, dont kid yourself for a second that it wasn't.
Flowers

Dery · 26/10/2021 11:53

@blueblueelectricblue28 - if you need a reminder of why you’re leaving, just revisit @billy1966’s posts which are amazing.

Queenie6655 · 26/10/2021 11:58

@billy1966

Oh and when you remember how terrified you felt hiding among the furniture, think how any children you would have might feel, him screaming abuse at you, beating you and them hearing it all, terrified, traumatised, and scared for life.

This was your future, dont kid yourself for a second that it wasn't.
Flowers

Yes exactly

This was me
Luckily we got out before he seriously harmed the babies

There were similar red flags

When I tried to leave he would not let me

TheGirlCat · 26/10/2021 12:00

What the hell would he know about love? He doesn't even know what love is. Pushing you and abusing you, calling you names? That is NOT love! He hates you. He doesn't love you at all. He doesn't even like you, to call you such names. If that is how he treats someone he 'loves', I wouldn't like to hear how he treats someone he hates. He has a strange definition of 'love'. You don't even think of someone you love like that, let alone say those names. You only verbally abuse someone you despise like that. That's not love. And you deserve so much better.

Dizzy1234 · 26/10/2021 12:03

I read your first post 21st Oct and have been rooting for you.
You're doing the right thing.
It's going to be hard, you'll go through all the normal emotions but will come out the other side and life will be good again.
I love your friend, especially her dp, thank god for men who are prepared to stand up and be counted, will put themselves out to help a female in distress (I'm not trying to be condescending but we could do with a few more fellas like your friends dp)
Update us later, the MN nest of vipers are behind you ❤️

Pinkbonbon · 26/10/2021 12:47

Ha! The dude wouldn't know love if it bit him on the ass.

Standard cycle of abuse.

If you're taking everything you need today and dort everything flatwise then block him on everything once you've left op. You can leave that note/send a text once out saying 'I've left you. Never contact me again' first so that he can't say he doesn't know what's happened.

There's no reason to leave things open for him to continue to contact and harass you. But if he finds a way, don't be slow to call the police.

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