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whyamidoingthisamimad · 14/10/2021 15:55

We have it so infrequently I'm constantly wanting to divorce but I feel awful to disrupt the family. I've talked to him multiple times. Please can anyone help me how to navigate this as its highly unlikely to change

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guardianegg · 13/11/2021 18:57

@FabulousMrFifty

Thank you. I will try but we are barely speaking now. The tiptoeing was about the ED not the other stuff tbh as we were just supposed to pretend everything was fine all the time and I worried I would make it worse for him so never laid out my concerns or frustrations with it all.

This is a man who in the 10 years I've known him has been to the GP once and wouldn't even be registered if I hadn't filled in the forms.

Catshaveiteasy · 13/11/2021 19:55

Have read with interest. Similar situation here with no sex, or barely any, for many years. It's played on my mind for a long time but I've only truly considered what it has meant to me in the last couple of years.

Looking back the signs were there even before we married. I had quite a lot of sexual experiences prior to meeting him but was never that keen on piv as many of my experiences of it were unsatisfactory or sometimes painful. But I did love foreplay and oral. DH wouldn't do oral and that bothered me but I was advised it was selfish to expect someone to do something they didn't want to and I let it go as in other ways I felt he was right, even though I noticed he wasn't as passionate as previous bfs and that made me feel awkward and communication re sexual issues was difficult.

We struggled to conceive which meant sex to order which we just did for the sake of it - I didn't care how good it was as long as there was sperm inside me! Then when kids came along, our early mornings were interrupted everyday - he had always preferred morning sex, so the frequency declined significantly.

Then perimenopause hit and I just wasn't interested for quite a long time. He also developed ED and I felt I shouldn't make a fuss about it so we did nothing to sort that out.

Now post menopause, I feel obsessed by sex and what I'm missing out on. We have talked, he has bought viagra but so far little success. It's now coupled with me wondering whether I still love him as he bores / irritates me quite often. But he is a good person and there is some affection which holds me back from ending things. I believe he loves me but has just lost interest in sex himself. I can't really face the idea of having to upset our DC, sell our dream house and give up the life we have together. The prospect of living alone doesn't thrill me. I've lost all confidence re even hooking up with someone else and couldn't bring myself to go behind his back. I don't really now believe I could have good sex with anyone anyway.

But I am so envious of people who appear to adore their partner and be fulfilled by them. Part of me is resentful of him never having been the sexual partner I wanted and part of me is furious with myself for not heeding the early warning signs and for letting the years pass without trying to do anything about it.

Lana07 · 13/11/2021 23:16

@Catshaveiteasy

Have read with interest. Similar situation here with no sex, or barely any, for many years. It's played on my mind for a long time but I've only truly considered what it has meant to me in the last couple of years.

Looking back the signs were there even before we married. I had quite a lot of sexual experiences prior to meeting him but was never that keen on piv as many of my experiences of it were unsatisfactory or sometimes painful. But I did love foreplay and oral. DH wouldn't do oral and that bothered me but I was advised it was selfish to expect someone to do something they didn't want to and I let it go as in other ways I felt he was right, even though I noticed he wasn't as passionate as previous bfs and that made me feel awkward and communication re sexual issues was difficult.

We struggled to conceive which meant sex to order which we just did for the sake of it - I didn't care how good it was as long as there was sperm inside me! Then when kids came along, our early mornings were interrupted everyday - he had always preferred morning sex, so the frequency declined significantly.

Then perimenopause hit and I just wasn't interested for quite a long time. He also developed ED and I felt I shouldn't make a fuss about it so we did nothing to sort that out.

Now post menopause, I feel obsessed by sex and what I'm missing out on. We have talked, he has bought viagra but so far little success. It's now coupled with me wondering whether I still love him as he bores / irritates me quite often. But he is a good person and there is some affection which holds me back from ending things. I believe he loves me but has just lost interest in sex himself. I can't really face the idea of having to upset our DC, sell our dream house and give up the life we have together. The prospect of living alone doesn't thrill me. I've lost all confidence re even hooking up with someone else and couldn't bring myself to go behind his back. I don't really now believe I could have good sex with anyone anyway.

But I am so envious of people who appear to adore their partner and be fulfilled by them. Part of me is resentful of him never having been the sexual partner I wanted and part of me is furious with myself for not heeding the early warning signs and for letting the years pass without trying to do anything about it.

If he doesn't need sex anymore, would he mind you having a lover?
friedpickles · 13/11/2021 23:19

@Catshaveiteasy I could have easily written most of your post, sorry you are in this situation as well. I am really trying to make my DH understand how important this is so we shall see, the ED podcast is worth listening to.

CosmicUnicorn · 13/11/2021 23:55

@Catshaveiteasy
Similar story to me although I hadn’t had the sexual experience (apart from a quick session in a car once that lasted five seconds) before I met my husband so I had no idea what I was missing out on. I was very shy back then and avoided the male species like the plague!

Like you, we struggled to conceive with the second conceived by IUI (artificially). I wasn’t really attracted to him and realised that I hadn’t been from day one. This is probably why I struggled to conceive even though both of us had had fertility tests which came back fine. I never enjoyed sex with him and never orgasmed! Ever! He was an on/off guy and did nothing to pleasure me. I was so naive though, I didn’t realise what I was missing! He was a decade older than me and similar situation as yours, as we got older, was that he irritated me and I found him boring. I started to realise the connection just wasn’t there. I grew up without a father and sometimes think my husband was a replacement father at times. I desperately wanted to be a mum and sacrificed my true happiness to pursue that. I knew my marriage wasn’t ideal and I hadn’t listened to the alarm bells ringing.

He never suffered ED but he was just so boring in bed and lacked passion. Tbh, I lacked passion with him but I now know it was because - deep down - I wasn’t attracted to him and was pretending that I could live with it. I am a very passionate person btw - I would often fantasise watching some gorgeous actor on tv and feeling sad I couldn’t experience that in real life. I did live with it tbh but I ended our sex life - what was left of it - after the birth of our second child (she’s now almost 14). So, lived in a sexless marriage for over a decade. He was never affectionate at all and could be quite critical of me (when, I’m actually quite a good looking woman - and still am at the age of 49). He wouldn’t and couldn’t kiss to save his life! I kept myself busy with other things - my career, raising the kids (I was part time for ten years but I’ve been full time since 2016 and now in management), and spending time with my mum (who I lost in 2015). I thought that was my life and I had to accept it.

Roll on to 2017 and the menopause hit me like a train! I’d lost my mum and the kids were more independent. I became obsessed with sex after a few months of my periods ending (which they did abruptly with no warning). Out of control tbh and it lasted a good 6 months. Horny as hell! I now know this is the sex surge of menopause which I had never heard of (it never settled completely btw). I still couldn’t go near my husband. I was also lonely as my mum was no longer around and he was unsupportive and just saw me as his domestic slave (like his mother was). I got involved with someone else. It went too far but I now know why. I won’t go into details but we became extremely close and my head was turned and I experienced passion, affection and connection for the first time in my life. Sadly, he is married too but also living in a sexless marriage - guilt got to him over and over and I knew I was getting hurt. It has gone on for a few years but he has cut contact again recently. I know I have to move on. It is wrong. I felt in turmoil for a long time. I knew my marriage was fake and took the tough decision to end it last year. I began to feel extremely anxious around my husband after being with someone else (and, it was more than once). I knew I had been living in a cold marriage for over 20 years and it was like someone had taken the rose tinted glasses off. I had been so sexually inexperienced before I married him I didn’t realise how incompatible we were (not just sexually). I also started to notice how other men were interested in me (I had buried my head in the sand before). I even have a 36 year old at work making it very clear ‘he would’ and it’s very clear he has a crush on me. I wouldn’t btw!! I don’t feel guilty about the other guy - I know that I should. I feel despair at what I have missed out on!!! Someone that I connected with and truly desired (and he desired me). What I’d had had been fake. Not real. I realised. I went through a really bad time when reality hit and my GP put me on the sick (for the first time ever) for 2 months in 2018 and I saw a counsellor a few times. Both of them agreed the marriage wasn’t a marriage. We were just living together for the sake of it. Menopause shook me up and woke me up!! I am still more sexual now (but no-one to play with as Im still waiting for the final divorce to come through) a few years on. I feel very bitter at what I ended up with - maybe I should’ve played the field a bit when I was younger? I had to make the tough decision to split up the family and I will have to sell the family home (that I am still in). He inherited another property and moved into that. Luckily, I earn a decent salary and can afford to buy somewhere else (a 3 bedroom house is sufficient) but I won’t lie - I am bricking it daily! However, I have to go through with this as there was no love in the marriage. I feel very, very different now about everything.

It will eat you up inside, as it did me. Nobody deserves to live like that. I’m guessing you’re a similar age to me (I’m 49) but the last 5 years have been a massive wake up call and one that I couldn’t ignore.

Jaguarshoes · 14/11/2021 07:42

CosmicUnicorn that is so heartbreaking to read but thank you for sharing your story. I believe that it’s inevitable that one of you will end up finding what you are missing in someone else eventually, when living in a sexless relationship. It’s just so many of us teeter on the edge of finishing the relationship for years because of other circumstances like house, kids, finances when it’s not ‘bad enough’ to leave. Often it takes that other person that helps you wake up to reality of what you’ve been missing out on. Or the menopause, as I’m hearing a lot from here.

CosmicUnicorn · 14/11/2021 08:30

@Jaguarshoes
I’d thought about ending it years ago but knew I would have to leave my profession - it involved weekend/overnight work at the time - as there would be no-one to take care of the children when they were small. My mother was alive, then, but elderly and I didn’t have the option of family support. I didn’t want to give up my career either - something I’d worked hard for from the age of 14. I’d come from a single parent household and raised on a council estate and wanted out of that and to have success in my life. I knew the only way to get rid of working crappy hours was to rise through the ranks and get into management. After doing a Master’s degree and numerous post-grad courses I did just that. I was financially capable of standing on my own two feet but it was the children that always held me back. I was so unhappy though. I knew I’d made a massive mistake marrying him. I was so shy and was convinced I’d be ‘left on the shelf’ as they say!
I had planned on leaving when the second started secondary school. Like you said, things stop it happening. I was worried about affecting the eldest with his GCSE’s and we ended up with two bereavements back to back, with a lot to sort out. The time was never right and, had it not been for the menopause and getting involved with someone who woke me up from the dead (literally), I would probably still be living in a dead/sexless marriage. It was a massive wake up call for me and I had to act!

CosmicUnicorn · 14/11/2021 08:32

@Jaguarshoes
I think it was a mixture of the menopause and built up/hidden feelings tbh. It was like a perfect storm had been brewing a long time and, eventually, I couldn’t control it.

CosmicUnicorn · 14/11/2021 08:56

It was a lot of other things in our marriage - not just lack of intimacy/sex - that tipped me over in the end…

  1. I did everything at home including the administration side of running a house and being a parent
  2. He never complimented me. He never, verbally, told me he loved me
  3. He was socially awkward so would criticise me in front of people (I stopped taking him to works’ parties years ago)
  4. He never noticed when someone was wrong with me - ill/tired
  5. He didn’t do much with the children
  6. It was always me who got up with the children when they were babies even though I was exhausted (and the doctor had my eldest admitted to hospital once to give me a break - my eldest was ill at the time)
  7. If we went for a meal, he wouldn’t say more than 2 words!
  8. I progressed in my career and paid a larger chunk of bills while he stayed at the same level. He dropped hours when I went part time
  9. He wasn’t in a profession and would not change jobs/sort hours to make my life easier
10. I felt like I was his mother

I could go on!

Problem was, he was a nice/placid man who’d done nothing wrong. But, to me, it wasn’t what he wasn’t doing anything if that makes sense!

CosmicUnicorn · 14/11/2021 08:58

Sorry, that should say he dropped hours when I went full time!

CosmicUnicorn · 14/11/2021 08:58

It wasn’t what he did but what he didn’t do - sorry, my last sentence didn’t make sense! Tired!

Estherpologist · 14/11/2021 10:09

Hi. I'm Estherpologist and I'm an alcoholic.
Oops. Wrong support group.
Hi, I'm Estherpologist and Ive been married for 15yr and haven't had sex for 4yrs.
That's more like it. 😀

I'd be really interested to read how anyone who wants sex has made a sexless marriage work. If anyone has.

If your partner just doesn't care about sex any more, them lying back and thinking of England is really problematic and I really don't want to be fed by someone who doesn't want to f me.

Having a FWB is an option, but in my experience, that always turns into wanting to be more than friends. Then there's the logistics of having kids and a FWB. "Can you sort your own tea and get on with your homework? I'm just popping out to get laid." And what message does it give your kids about healthy relationships?

I read up on how to switch off your libido, but I honeatly don't think there's a way to do it.

So is there a way to make a sexless marriage work if one partner wants sex?

19Bears · 14/11/2021 10:49

@CosmicUnicorn I completely relate to all of your points. In fact, it reads like a list of unreasonable behaviour that any divorce lawyer would be 'happy' with.

  1. Me too. Work, home and kids. He works and that's the end of the day for him. I get my two up, get them to school, pick them up, spend time with them at home, run the house, plan, think, arrange, remember. All fitting around a full work day.
  1. Same. I make an effort to look nice every single day, for what?? He once said "you look like Andy Carroll with your hair like that." Hmm
  1. Same. And nobody wants to come to me house as they feel awkward around him. He's just weird.
  1. I could be crying and he would either just not notice, or pretend he hadnt noticed. Never notices if I'm stressed or might need help. Just completely oblivious. He didn't seem to think it was a little bit insensitive to get me to watch a horrific music video by David Bowie describing his impending death from cancer, on the day he died of cancer, just as I walked in the house having been to my hospital appointment (on my own) to find out if I had cancer. Which I did. (I'm ok now.)
  1. I have felt like a single mam for years. Always just me and them, everyone notices.
  1. Same here. The one time he did get up, he was just annoyed at our son, rather than helpful and comforting, and gave him a dummy to shut him up.
  1. We tend not to go our together, but if we do, the conversation is just boring.
  1. I've always taken the more expensive bills. I work less hours than him but earn more. He is content to earn the salary of a 20 year old at 53. He once gave up a large redundancy pay out by leaving his job too soon, to take a new job which paid less than the previous one. No asking me what I thought, he just did it.
  1. He never takes holidays to coincide with school holidays despite having a lot more annual leave than me. I can't remember the last time I had just one day to myself. He's off for two weeks now, has been off to London for a few days, and is planning to "chill out around the house" next week.
  1. He sometimes even calls me "mum" by mistake. That's exactly what I am to him.

Everyone is going to jump straight in now and scream "why the f are you still with this man??!!!!" I ask this myself every day. It's got to come to a stop soon. It's making me ill. X

friedpickles · 14/11/2021 11:30

I also feel like mum to him, jokingly I sometimes say I have 3 children (which includes DH)! If I don't plan or arrange it, it doesn't happen, he is working part time, and has long holidays, bought a house which is a little bit of a project last year and nothing gets fixed even though he is more than capable. Its not really very attractive! He does have his good points so I am going to really try to turn this around, but I dont want to live like this for the next 20 +years! I am 47, he is older. I will give it till both of my kids leave to go to uni, so a couple of years.

CosmicUnicorn · 14/11/2021 15:37

@19Bears
We are very similar!
I have always had to take the school holidays off too and he doesn’t. He uses the fact that he gets fixed/allocated holidays but, surely, now he is a single parent, he could do something about that. No! It has meant that throughout this year, I have used up all of my annual leave to be off with the kids (I have booked a week in March term time though as it’s my 50th) and he’s taken none! It means he gets to do stuff alone and chill whereas I’m not getting any time to be me. He also isn’t having the youngest on weekends/in the evenings. I’m stressed rushing from work to be home for the youngest (the eldest stays at his house a lot now but will be going to university next year) and can’t go anywhere without her tagging along (which is hard when she is in a teenage grump). Having no grandparents, I really need a break at times. It is just fuelling why I wanted to end the marriage. He’s an unsupportive loser!
Same with the salary he’s on - same as what he’d be on if he was 20! Never made an effort! Knew he had me propping him up.

CosmicUnicorn · 14/11/2021 15:42

@19Bears
Ive just got back from a shopping trip to a city 40 miles away and bumped into one of the other mum’s from school who lives around the corner (not that we ever see them). She never married but has lived with her partner, father to her two boys, for many years. She never had to work. He works away a bit but always made sure he was around at weekends etc. They have just put their house on the market with a view to moving to the village I’ve always wanted to move to. She was out shopping 40 miles away with no kids in tow, no partner. Having a laugh with her sisters. No job to go to. Their house is like a show house inside so will command more than ours.
I just feel so down about it all. What was the point in me working hard?

CosmicUnicorn · 14/11/2021 15:45

@friedpickles
Sounds like you’re in a similar boat!

CosmicUnicorn · 14/11/2021 15:48

@Estherpologist

Hi. I'm Estherpologist and I'm an alcoholic. Oops. Wrong support group. Hi, I'm Estherpologist and Ive been married for 15yr and haven't had sex for 4yrs. That's more like it. 😀

I'd be really interested to read how anyone who wants sex has made a sexless marriage work. If anyone has.

If your partner just doesn't care about sex any more, them lying back and thinking of England is really problematic and I really don't want to be fed by someone who doesn't want to f me.

Having a FWB is an option, but in my experience, that always turns into wanting to be more than friends. Then there's the logistics of having kids and a FWB. "Can you sort your own tea and get on with your homework? I'm just popping out to get laid." And what message does it give your kids about healthy relationships?

I read up on how to switch off your libido, but I honeatly don't think there's a way to do it.

So is there a way to make a sexless marriage work if one partner wants sex?

I don’t think you can. It’s the end of the road if their is no sex in a marriage. What’s the point in staying if you’re nothing more than friends?
Lana07 · 15/11/2021 00:27

[quote CosmicUnicorn]@19Bears
Ive just got back from a shopping trip to a city 40 miles away and bumped into one of the other mum’s from school who lives around the corner (not that we ever see them). She never married but has lived with her partner, father to her two boys, for many years. She never had to work. He works away a bit but always made sure he was around at weekends etc. They have just put their house on the market with a view to moving to the village I’ve always wanted to move to. She was out shopping 40 miles away with no kids in tow, no partner. Having a laugh with her sisters. No job to go to. Their house is like a show house inside so will command more than ours.
I just feel so down about it all. What was the point in me working hard?[/quote]
A huge point of your work was that you are in control of your life, career, and finances and she depends on her partner's finances.

AverageGuy · 15/11/2021 16:09

My XW didn't have to work. I was in the very fortunate position that I earn't enough.

I always helped out around the house - did my bit with the kids, garden, diy, car etc etc, but none of that helps if your partners libido goes out of the window due to menopause...

@Estherpologist - " I really don't want to be fed by someone who doesn't want to f me" - this with bells on!

"Then there's the logistics of having kids and a FWB" - Depends on the age of your kids - do you ever go away with the girls? Have a hobby that takes you away for an evening?

I'm pretty sure my xw didn't, but she is a biker, and often went off for a few days on bike tours... Usually with a group of (mainly retired) guys, but often a few women...

CosmicUnicorn · 15/11/2021 17:33

@Lana07
Yes, but she is soooo happy! All the time! Like a spring chicken. Makes me sad that I was so unhappy and still had to work my ass off!

blameless · 16/11/2021 00:00

My marriage has been sexless since the conception of my child was confirmed twenty years ago. I didn't want to be an every-other-weekend dad but was unsure of whether I was right to stay until lockdown gave me daily contact with my child at a time when the future looked very uncertain.
We both care deeply about our (unsurprisingly) only-child and there is rarely a cross word, but not many words exchanged as we've largely retreated into our respective interests.
Having given it a considerable amount of thought, I don't now expect to have sex again, but would urge those experiencing a lengthy dry-spell to speak up and make their partner aware of exactly how they feel - while you can both remember what you're missing.

FabulousMrFifty · 16/11/2021 07:21

@blameless
What was the issue that has caused 20 years of sexlessness

CosmicUnicorn · 16/11/2021 10:23

@blameless
20 years? That’s no way to live!

Pasithea · 16/11/2021 10:30

11 years now due to my disability. It’s not a relationship killer if you don’t want it to be.

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