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WWYD in my situation….Would a night away from DH make any difference?

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WWYDAboutThisRelationship · 10/10/2021 09:51

After a long marriage we’ve just had a wonderful and much longed for baby so the stakes are high for me anyway.
DH and I have muddled along for years, mainly because I have got used to his ways. I’ve lived with him longer than I lived with my family, I’m conditioned to him to a large extent. He has never and I don’t think he would ever hit me. But he is volatile, I describe him as a hot head. He is like a loud hailer when he’s angry ‘rah, rah, rah’ for however long and then it feels like it’s all out of his system and unloaded onto me and he wants to carry on as normal afterwards expecting me to do the same. No problems get resolved and then the cycle just continues until the next argument in a few days or weeks time. Our communication styles are polar opposites. I would like to resolve things calmly and he is incapable of doing this.

Today’s ‘argument’ was all because I hadn’t put his clean T-shirt’s in the drawer ready for him to put on. The other day he was ‘brewing’ because he was running low on pants and had no balled up socks. Pants and socks just hadn’t made it up to their designated places. You get the gist, most of it in his world is because I haven’t done my wifely duties. Instead I’ve been focusing all of my attention on our baby and getting my head straight after a bad bout of post natal anxiety. Of course you are only hearing my side so it’s all mostly one way. He is a good man in general, he really is otherwise I wouldn’t have stayed all these years and I would never have had a baby with him.

But this morning it was the second of 2 recent nasty arguments. I was downstairs with the baby. I’m on mat leave and quite happily and understandably caring for her almost 24/7. Last night she went off to sleep around 2am and I was too tired to go upstairs with her and so she went to sleep in her crib downstairs and I flaked out on the sofa next to her. DH came downstairs at 5am in a mood saying he had no T-shirt’s and this is ridiculous. (There we’re loads in a pile downstairs I just hadn’t got around to taking them up). He started having a go saying he understands the baby takes up most of my time and he’s not jealous he just wants the basics done around the house. He didn’t care that I’d had about 3 hours sleep or think to ask if the baby or me were okay. It was just all about him as per usual. It got heated and he said something like you ‘fucking bitch’ which is one of the things he’s started saying to me since the baby has been born which I hate. I told him to piss off which I know is not good either. I just couldn’t face another one of these arguments and listening to his nastiness.

The previous nasty argument was about how much time his hobby/side business takes away time from our family and he is obsessed with it. That time he was angry yet again and said ‘my hobby made me x amount of money last year so tell that to your shrink’. He is referring to my counsellor who I recently started speaking to due to the PNA. He did apologise for that afterwards but the damage was done.

So basically here we are again. I’ve had the big talks with him saying this is no way for us or our baby to live, if things don’t change we might as well separate, etc, etc. A week goes by and we’re back to the same old same old.

I have often said I feel like taking our baby away for a few nights to get away from him. I’ve never done it. But I feel very much like doing that tonight so that I actually follow through with it. It would give me a break from him and maybe give him some time to think about what it would be like without us. I would leave him a note saying our baby is safe but I wouldn’t tell him where we were going.
Do you think this would achieve anything? I just don’t know whether it’s worth wasting money I don’t have. But if I don’t do it how is anything going to change? Our baby is my top priority and I don’t want her to grow up in a house of atmospheres and arguments. I lived like that as a kid, my parents loved us but were simply incompatible and it was not good.
He really isn’t the marriage counselling type, we’ve talked about it before and it’s pointless if he won’t engage. He often says he’s set in his ways and is too old to change now but where does that leave things? I’m sick of this attitude.

I’m off to catch a bit more sleep whilst our baby is napping so I will come back to this thread later. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

OP posts:
diddl · 10/10/2021 17:00

Oh Op -he has been awful for a long tme, but now you are too busy with a baby to do what you have always done-tread on egg shells & make sure that everythng is as he wants.

NoSquirrels · 10/10/2021 17:00

he does do more housework than many other men. He works full time and does do things like the dishwasher, the bins and all diy.
I’ve always done the washing, ironing, the vast majority of the cooking and cleaning.

Taking the bins out, DIY and emptying a dishwasher are not “more than the average man”.

I told you my DH can be a lazy sod with housework. But he also recognises that he’s a lazy sod. He would never criticise me for not doing housework - because he doesn’t do much. He knows it’s not my job, it’s both our jobs.

this morning he also said he might as well find another woman who does housework because I’m not doing it

This is absolutely vile. He sees you as a service human not a partner who he loves for themselves.

I’m concerned that you’ve been with him so long/from so young and say your earning power is not great because your mental health is fragile. You don’t sound fragile to me. You sound undermined, undervalued. Confidence is fragile but can be repaired.

Please tell your family. Don’t spend your money on a hotel. Ask your family if you and the baby can come and stay for a week. Do that tonight.

Glumgal · 10/10/2021 17:22

I'm glad you managed to get some rest @WWYDAboutThisRelationship
To give some perspective I read part of your initial post out to my DH (about the t-shirts, socks and underwear) and he burst out laughing incredulous that any man would expect those things to be done for him - my husband is 59 btw so it's really not a generational thing.
I would definitely consider ringing your family and asking can you stay for a few days to collect your thoughts. You don't need to tell them everything if you don't want to but it would give you some space xx

Haffiana · 10/10/2021 17:47

Op, reading between the lines I suspect he is financially abusive as well, isn't he?

Do you have equal access to family money? Or do you have to ask him for money?

Embracelife · 10/10/2021 18:29

Oh and needless to say DH is bounding around as if nothing has happened at all like he always does. Asking if I need anything and trying to make out all is well. I’m doing my usual thing of pretending I’m not crying and quietly seething underneath and wishing we were away from him for a while.

Goigle "cycle of abuse"
Nice nasty nice
It is how bullies work

He wants to keep you there folding his socks into balls
So now he is nice

Til next time

RandomMess · 10/10/2021 18:32

You don't need to go to a hotel. Go stay with family for a while and leave him with all the laundry to do and empty fridge and freezer and a house that needs cleaning...

Schhhteeevie · 10/10/2021 18:45

He sounds AWFUL- you are not his maid.

Flowers

Get out

Justilou1 · 10/10/2021 19:05

He doesn’t even like you by the sounds of things. Also, you said you’d conditioned him… Has it not occurred to you that it might be the other way around? You were so young when you moved in with him. I’m guessing he’s a bit older?

billy1966 · 10/10/2021 19:17

@Aquamarine1029

Your poor daughter, she's been brought into this nightmare and she only has you to protect her, which sadly, you're not doing. The damage to her being raised in this emotionally violent environment will plague her for the rest of her life. Pack your bags, take your baby, and get out.
I agree here.

Your poor child.

If you were my daughter I would so want to know and want you out of that house and want my grandchild away from his abuse.

Please tell your family.
Please help your baby by telling your family.

Your baby deserves so much better than this.

Please do the right thing and let your family help and support you.

You both deserve better.

Flowers
Dery · 10/10/2021 19:45

“I’m concerned that you’ve been with him so long/from so young and say your earning power is not great because your mental health is fragile. You don’t sound fragile to me. You sound undermined, undervalued. Confidence is fragile but can be repaired.

Please tell your family. Don’t spend your money on a hotel. Ask your family if you and the baby can come and stay for a week. Do that tonight.”

This with bells on. And tell your family what’s going on.

Dery · 10/10/2021 19:45

If you were my DD and I could give you the support you need, I’d be heartbroken that you hadn’t asked.

Valeriekat · 10/10/2021 20:19

HE gets it out of his system so HE is OK but what is it doing to you?
Why are you letting him think you are OK?

He needs to know that you will leave him if he doesn't change. You have the talk but he won't change because you allow the behaviour.
Why are you staying in this relationship?

waterrat · 10/10/2021 20:42

Op please please tell your family. I am worried about you. His behaviour has become more aggressive towards you since the baby was born. He is calling you a fycking bitch fir not doing his laundry. This is a man who could escalate to violence. His behaviour is vile and not normal.

Please put a plan in place to get to your family while you end things with him

WWYDAboutThisRelationship · 11/10/2021 00:47

Thank you all for taking the time to post. I’m finding the comments hard to read because you are telling it like it is, quite rightly and it’s difficult to admit what a state this marriage is in.

We are still at home, a hotel for the night seemed like a waste of the little money I have so I decided against it. I would only go to family if I we left for good.

He is funny about money because he holds the purse strings, he is the main earner. I do have to ask him if we can buy this or that. I don’t earn much so I feel like I can’t challenge him on this.

I’m thinking everything through. I am going to tell him later that if he ever speaks to me like that again (calling me names) our daughter and I will be going and I will start divorce proceedings. I can’t see what else I can say to him to make it clear. I really do mean it.
I know that he would never accept a man talking to our DD like that when she is older so he needs to realise he shouldn’t be doing this to me either.

I had a big talk with him about 2 weeks ago and he seemed to take it all on board and now we’re back here again. I’m getting to the point where I’ve had enough of him. Last chance saloon. I really don’t want to end this marriage before our DD is even one but things can’t continue like this. Such stupid petty things rile him up and I don’t want deal with his nonsense any longer. We’ve been together a long time and so i’m not ready to just walk out without one last ditch attempt to get him to see things from my perspective. The things he said yesterday morning were pretty awful. Another poster mentioned their DH couldn’t believe what my DH was like and normally my DH would be the first to say someone else was behaving badly but he can’t seem to recognise it in himself.

The socks, pants and T-shirts are still in piles downstairs! I’m so badly conditioned that I’m thinking of putting them away once DD is settled before I go to bed. How pathetic. But I’m expecting Monday morning he’ll be barging about getting in a hissy fit again otherwise, disturbing us. But in effect he will have won because I will have done what he wanted for an easier life. This is what I have always done and it’s a very hard habit to break.

Please don’t worry about us though, he has never been violent and I know he wouldn’t do that. It’s all verbal with him but I know that’s a kind of abuse too and I’m not trying to diminish it.

OP posts:
SpringCrocus · 11/10/2021 01:30

They are never violent. Until the first time they hit you.

HarrisonStickle · 11/10/2021 01:46

I really do mean it.

You need to be long gone because he's been keeping you in an abusive relationship for years and one last chance isn't going to change a thing.

It's not just calling you a fucking bitch it's treating you like a maid, keeping a hold of the money, doing what he likes whilst you have to do all the work at home. Your daughter will grow up believing that's what a woman does in a relationship. So she will end up in a relationship just like yours. Is that what you want for her?

Tell your family and get out.

RantyAunty · 11/10/2021 02:23

You talked to him 2 weeks ago and he is back treating you like dirt.
Don't you think he's used up his chances over the years?

Nothing you've said to him has made a difference.

Please tell your family and leave.

Shoxfordian · 11/10/2021 05:25

You’ve already had the big talk and nothing changed so why do you think it’ll change now?

category12 · 11/10/2021 06:37

It sounds like he's financially abusive as well.

PermanentTemporary · 11/10/2021 06:43

If you want a break then definitely take one - are your parents around maybe so you have help with the baby? Go and clear your head, decide if you can live with this and if you want your dd to have her father calling her a fucking bitch in the future and watching you having screaming matches.

But don't leave 'to make him think'. He thinks he's in the right and apparently he thinks you're a bitch for not servicing him.

bigbaggyeyes · 11/10/2021 06:56

Verbally abusive, bullying and financially abusive. OP the lists are stacking up.

Can you go and stay with your family for a week? Talk to them and lean on them for support. YOU have nothing to be embarrassed about, HE has everything to be embarrassed for.

Does he ever rant at his work colleagues line he does at you? If not, then he can control this, he CHOOSES not to act this way towards you.

NoSquirrels · 11/10/2021 07:39

I would only go to family if I we left for good.

Why? You can go “for a break” without saying you’re leaving for good. But it would give you some time away - without the chores that you need to decide whether to do to let him ‘win’ and keep the peace or not do and escalate the conflict.

You don’t have to say to your family anything but that you need a bit of a break and would love to bring the baby to see them. Then decide when you’re there how much you want to say about any of it.

Get some real life support and breathing room. Flowers

NoSquirrels · 11/10/2021 07:48

If you must give him one last chance, I suggest you take him up on his kind offer of “finding another woman who does housework” and tell him you both need a cleaner coming in now the baby is here. That you cannot carry on doing absolutely everything so either he steps up a d does more at home or he pays for a cleaner.

He won’t, of course.

He’ll tell you what’s the point of him supporting you to stay at home and not work, why are you always trying to spend his money, don’t you realise he works hard blah blah blah.

If he’s even civil enough to say it in this way, without calling you names and swearing, it will still boil down to the same thing. Your job is to serve him, your existence is for his benefit.

Where’s the love?

SarahBellam · 11/10/2021 07:48

I’d make a bonfire out of his t-shirts and pants and balled up socks. How dare he talk to you like that. I’m assuming he’s a grown ass man without disabilities severe enough to prevent him walking up the stairs with a bit of laundry. He’s absolutely pathetic and in your shoes I’d be thinking long and hard about whether you want your daughter brought up in a home like that.

ILoveYouMoreTheEnd · 11/10/2021 08:03

Morning OP, I've read all your updates but not all the other comments, just some. Your first post was me, eventually I was ground down to zero, he drained me, and when I left the catalyst was a sausage casserole that he didn't like the texture of! He threw his dinner in the bin. I left him the very next week after 23 years. I'll always remember how that last day when he did that made me feel. When I was going back and forth to collect my belonging the song Dog Days Are Over came on and I pulled into a
Lay-by and sobbed. Fast forward 3 years and 10 months and my life is completely different. I'm now getting little bits of myself back and I met and married the most amazing man.
Please do what's best for yours and your baby's future, take refuge with your family. Big hugs and good luck. X