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To be beginning to have a bad feeling about new boyfriend?

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Neverkins · 07/10/2021 15:34

I’m 3 months into a new relationship with a man I knew years ago. I always fancied him but he wasn’t into me. We lost touch after I went to uni, he stayed in our home town and got married. I contacted him over the years, mostly between my two long term relationships. He always seemed very focused on how attractive/slim I am ‘now’. He contacted me very very soon after his wife left him (I didn’t know at the time but it was 2/3 days). We met up, one thing led to another and we’ve been dating since. He told me he loved me very quickly and I reciprocated very enthusiastically. I felt head over heels and couldn’t believe he finally loved me.

I’m sure there are red flags in some of the backstory but I still mostly feel that I really am in love with him. There are some minor things bothering me though, mostly about money.

I work in a large firm I joined as a graduate. I’ve worked my way up the ladder and earn a very good salary in a part of the country with low cost of living. New guy was very nosy about my income from day 1, googling my job and firm to find out what I might earn. Asked lots of direct questions until I told him an approximate figure. He became belligerent and argumentative, told me that it wasn’t much money and he earns 10k more than me anyway. Now, I don’t particularly care what he earns as I can and do support myself, but the way he reacted was really odd. It seemed like he was trying to put me down/in my place and it was interesting that he volunteered no information about his own income until he knew mine and could compare. Also, I have some very good reasons to believe he doesn’t earn the money he claims he does.

He left his phone open with a WhatsApp conversation on the screen in which he was ‘bragging’ really grossly to a new friend of his about how much money I earn and that I’ve agreed to get him (this friend I’ve never met) a job in my firm. Needless to say I’d said no such thing and never would.

I make sure I pay for at least half of our dates and offer to pay for them all. We’ve enjoyed some very nice meals out and some lovely hotels so I’ve spent good money on him and vice versa. One morning we went to a cafe for breakfast and he disappeared off to the toilet after we’d both finished eating. He was taking a while and I felt awkward waiting for him in front of empty plates in a busy place so paid and found him outside smoking. He shouted at me for ‘embarrassing’ him by paying. This was a £15 bill when he’d been fine with my buying dinner and hotel rooms. 10 minutes later he apologised and said his outburst was because he isn’t used to women paying for things, that no woman has ever so much as bought him a drink before and he doesn’t know how to handle it.

He’s asked me a lot about what savings I have, and tells me he has great business ideas for me to invest in. Is very keen to bring this up in frequent conversations and talks about introducing me to business associates of his.

Despite supposedly earning more money than me, being 4 years older than me (40 years old), living in a very inexpensive part of the country and never moving out of our home town, has never owned property. Obviously there’s no problem with renting but it just doesn’t make sense for someone in his supposed position.

Within a week of meeting up he was talking very seriously about living together. Seemed very keen on me selling my home and us buying somewhere together. When I took it at face value and asked how we would structure it, what sort of price range we’d be considering, he fluffed around and gave me some noncommittal answer about how I should definitely buy it myself for my own legal protection. It seems like he just wants me to provide somewhere for him to live that’s convenient for him and to his taste. He’s living back with his parents as he generously (in his words) let his wife stay in their rented home.

We were at a local pub a couple of nights ago - just the two of us (and nobody we knew in there), and were taking it in turns to buy the drinks. It’s a very standard pub I’ve visited many times, where a glass of wine is around £5-6 and there’s nothing expensive by the glass. A pint of lager/ale and a glass of wine is always

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madamovaries · 08/10/2021 21:00

Run and don’t look back

ChargingBuck · 08/10/2021 21:17

@Still1nLove

Is there any way that you can return the flowers or get them sent to his mum’s?
Er - what?

Why would OP even consider ramping up the drama like that?
What do you imagine it would achieve, except even more unwanted contact from the ex?

IDontLikeMondays88 · 08/10/2021 21:29

Don’t send another message just ignore him.
Any attention is good attention for someone like
him. So he sends flowers and you message = lines of communication are still open, he’s got a response. Just leave it.

grapewine · 08/10/2021 21:30

There is a great book called The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker which talks about trusting your instincts about people. One of the things to look out for is a man who won't accept no for an answer; who doesn't accept a woman's boundaries.

Read it, OP. It's brilliant.

I wouldn't send a message about the flowers, he'll probably take it to mean that as long as he sends you things, he'll have an "in" and a hold on you.

Show him that's not the case.

Bounce55 · 08/10/2021 21:32

@Still1nLove

Is there any way that you can return the flowers or get them sent to his mum’s?
Or alternatively chuck them in the nearest wheelie bin
Wineandroses3 · 08/10/2021 22:07

@Embracelife

Love bombing with flowers Then the pleading Then suicide threats Then anger and threats to publish those photos

Report to police now

Oh God this is so accurate Yes the love bombing, then comes the hints at suicide ,then aggression - this is so accurate to what I went through. It terrified me.
MzHz · 08/10/2021 22:17

@Neverkins

He’s sent me flowers (they were in my front porch when I came home from work). I’m pretty sure they were delivered by the florist and not him, fortunately. He’s messaged asking if I like them but that’s it for the last few hours. The temptation to ask if he spent that missing £20 on them is almost overwhelming, but I’m going to stay silent. I’ve left them in the porch for now, as throwing them away seems aggressive and wasteful, but I don’t want them in my house. I was also thinking that if he were to come over tonight he’ll hopefully be more convinced that I’m not home.

I know several of you have recommended that I contact the police about the contact, and even the photo situation, but if I’m honest it doesn’t feel necessary yet. If he appears at my house or threatens me or himself I will definitely do so, but rightly or wrongly I just want to avoid as much drama as possible for now. Even if I would be completely justified in reporting him it would feel a bit like poking the bear.

What I want to do is send him one more message reiterating that I don’t want to speak to him, he’s not to come to my house (or parents’), that it’s harassment if he continues like this, and that I will call the police. Is that a bad idea? I know in theory that I’ve been clear so far, and that he should already understand he’s on dodgy legal ground, but perhaps an explicit mention of harassment or the police would be enough to make him rethink things? I’m probably starting to sound a bit timid, but I’m ok and I’m not frightened at the moment - just a very private person who’d like to avoid making a fuss unless necessary.

No. No more contact. No matter what

I had this, I had texts trying to get me to engage, I had texts just saying Help.

I called 999, told them I thought it was a ruse by him, but that I wasn’t playing his game and wouldn’t go to see him etc etc

They did a welfare check

He texted me, police came, sorry to bother you.

Still I ignored

You have to be firm now. No interaction, no feed, no oxygen for his fire

MzHz · 08/10/2021 22:18

I had flowers sent by a cheating ex in uk, when I was in Brazil. I gave them away.

Honeyroar · 08/10/2021 22:19

I’d just ignore him. He won’t waste his money for nothing for long! You’ve said everything that needed saying.

TattoedLady · 08/10/2021 22:22

OP you're a rockstar! Good on you for trusting your gut and realising that this guy is a dick (being generous). I've been where you are, albeit many moons ago. My ex-narc also bombarded me once I broke up with him, he also sent me gifts, pleaded with me, then argued with me...all the usual wounded narc tactics. It's just a way for them to continue to play out their need for validation and a way to suck energy out of your life. I realised that I hadn't truly stopped being 'invested' in what he had to say until I blocked him. And I'd advise you to do the same, otherwise you'll continue to let him into your life, so to speak. Do not reply to him about the flowers...he'll know you are home, he'll get perverse enjoyment from whatever you say to him and he'll know that he still has the ability to affect a response from you. Literally any response from you will validate him in his eyes. Don't give him what he wants!

AhNowTed · 08/10/2021 22:23

You're doing great OP.

The thing that wants you to send a final text is your innate decency.

Go ahead. It will do no harm now, as you've seen the light and nothing he can do or say will deflect from the fact he's a total sleaze bag.

expat101 · 08/10/2021 22:25

I wonder if it is worthwhile having an informal chat with police at your local station. They will look him up and see if he has previous form.

He might have, and may need a follow up visit from police to tell him to pull his head in, and if he hasn’t, well perhaps it’s about time something was noted on his record, and it might just help another woman out one day.

GettingItOutThere · 08/10/2021 22:35

@Embracelife

Love bombing with flowers Then the pleading Then suicide threats Then anger and threats to publish those photos

Report to police now

this

this is next.

stay strong OP and tell plenty of people in real life please!

glitterfarts · 08/10/2021 22:37

Don't contact him, or he'll have learnt that it only takes 36 texts (or whatever number) to get you to engage with him.

Just block and ignore.

Well done for acting so decisively.

Lysianthus · 08/10/2021 22:42

Amazing advice on here, OP. Don’t engage further. No response re flowers. Stay with your friend, and thank god for her! Any more contact constitutes harassment therefore police involvement. Stay strong and come back here for support if needed. I suspect you have 100% mumsnet behind you.

WhatAShilohPitt · 08/10/2021 22:43

You really do need to NOT contact him in any way shape or form. What you might think is a firm message saying go away is still contact from you. You will giving him interaction and he’ll learn that if he badgers enough he will get a reply. If he sends you 5000 messages, do not reply. In fact, block him on everything. Why are you wasting a second on this horrible manipulative man - don’t give him any more of your time.

WhatAShilohPitt · 08/10/2021 22:44

@expat101

I wonder if it is worthwhile having an informal chat with police at your local station. They will look him up and see if he has previous form.

He might have, and may need a follow up visit from police to tell him to pull his head in, and if he hasn’t, well perhaps it’s about time something was noted on his record, and it might just help another woman out one day.

Exactly this. Go to the police and express your concerns about his behaviour so there’s a record.
Nayday · 08/10/2021 22:46

Ignore him, bin the flowers.

Its not a waste to bin something you didn't ask for & it's not your responsibility to make sure that unwanted flowers go anywhere. Its another culture of 'women be nice and polite, don't waste the flowers'. You don't want them, didn't ask for them - bin the damn things..it's a good metaphor for this relationship!

Ignore him also, why repeat what you've already said.

Your silence will speak for you.

Motorina · 08/10/2021 22:46

He's acting like a kid wanting sweets. If you give in after ten minutes, the kid doesn't learn 'these are the last sweets you're getting' no matter how much you say it. The kid learns 'if I whine for ten minutes I get sweets'.

If you send another text now he's learned what he needs to do to get a response. And will keep jerking your chain til he does.

As otherws have said, if you ignore you can expect him to escalate. But at least you will finally get rid of him.

CandyLeBonBon · 08/10/2021 22:47

Op I went through similar with an ex. It's a game. There is no merit in responding, as pp have said.

Ignore, block and be prepared for any narcissistic rage (I had defamatory letters sent to all and sundry), but I rode the wave and it wasn't great, but I survived, and so will you.

Batten down the hatches. You will get through this but engaging with him is the last thing you need to do.

FlissMumsnet · 08/10/2021 22:57

Hi Neverkins,

We've been asked by some of our users to post some links to advice and support on this thread, which seemed like a good idea.

Perhaps most importantly, here's our link to our Domestic Violence webguide in case any number there is of use.

We also have a piece here about coercive control and another on spotting the signs of an abusive relationship.

And we put this page together with the help of women's aid, which might be of interest for anyone who knows someone in an abusive relationship or even is just talking to them on the boards.

We appreciate that everyone wants to give the OP advice and support and that it all comes from a good place but we have had to delete a few posts that we felt were either victim blaming or just went a bit beyond 'advice'. We're sure the OP is grateful for all the responses but please do bear our talk guidelines in mind when posting and remember that someone's situation is rarely quite as simple as it might appear from reading their posts, particularly when they're in a difficult or vulnerable situation.

OP, we're going to move your thread over to the Relationships board now. We wish you all the very best.

Thanks, everyone.
Flowers

Iwilloneday · 08/10/2021 23:42

He has all the signs of a narcissist . I would walk away very quickly!

watingroom2 · 09/10/2021 00:03

hey @Neverkins

there is a radio sounds podcast - chasing charlie

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p09fzwph

that you should listen to.. it has parallels - about how a man can 'get in your head and make you do things you never thought possible (it is a bit repetitive.. but well worth a listen) .. you are not alone!

sarah13xx · 09/10/2021 00:07

I was really loving reading your story, could have read on and on 😂 I’m so curious what the £27 was about? Did he pay for those two drinks and ask to pay for the next lot at the same time so he could pretend he bought them? 🤔 There does sound like there is A LOT going on involving money and he’s very interested in your money and impressing others when he doesn’t sound like he has much to impress them with. I met someone like that on a night out a few weeks ago. We were all waiting in a taxi queue after a party to go into town, it was a 5-7 minute drive max. There were probably 3/4 taxi lots of people waiting. A guy wearing a very VERY tight shirt told everyone waiting that it was okay, he’d just phoned up and paid taxis for us, they were going to run everyone in, they were on the way and he’d paid £150 for them. At the time we couldn’t really question this out loud as he was standing right there but as soon as we got in one of said taxis we said how on earth is he claiming that’s £150 worth for a few short journeys? Sure enough we got into town, the taxi driver stopped and said £15 please 🙄 he sounds like a similar character. Just desperate for everyone to think a certain thing about him but everyone has second hand embarrassment just looking at him 🤦🏼‍♀️

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