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To be beginning to have a bad feeling about new boyfriend?

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Neverkins · 07/10/2021 15:34

I’m 3 months into a new relationship with a man I knew years ago. I always fancied him but he wasn’t into me. We lost touch after I went to uni, he stayed in our home town and got married. I contacted him over the years, mostly between my two long term relationships. He always seemed very focused on how attractive/slim I am ‘now’. He contacted me very very soon after his wife left him (I didn’t know at the time but it was 2/3 days). We met up, one thing led to another and we’ve been dating since. He told me he loved me very quickly and I reciprocated very enthusiastically. I felt head over heels and couldn’t believe he finally loved me.

I’m sure there are red flags in some of the backstory but I still mostly feel that I really am in love with him. There are some minor things bothering me though, mostly about money.

I work in a large firm I joined as a graduate. I’ve worked my way up the ladder and earn a very good salary in a part of the country with low cost of living. New guy was very nosy about my income from day 1, googling my job and firm to find out what I might earn. Asked lots of direct questions until I told him an approximate figure. He became belligerent and argumentative, told me that it wasn’t much money and he earns 10k more than me anyway. Now, I don’t particularly care what he earns as I can and do support myself, but the way he reacted was really odd. It seemed like he was trying to put me down/in my place and it was interesting that he volunteered no information about his own income until he knew mine and could compare. Also, I have some very good reasons to believe he doesn’t earn the money he claims he does.

He left his phone open with a WhatsApp conversation on the screen in which he was ‘bragging’ really grossly to a new friend of his about how much money I earn and that I’ve agreed to get him (this friend I’ve never met) a job in my firm. Needless to say I’d said no such thing and never would.

I make sure I pay for at least half of our dates and offer to pay for them all. We’ve enjoyed some very nice meals out and some lovely hotels so I’ve spent good money on him and vice versa. One morning we went to a cafe for breakfast and he disappeared off to the toilet after we’d both finished eating. He was taking a while and I felt awkward waiting for him in front of empty plates in a busy place so paid and found him outside smoking. He shouted at me for ‘embarrassing’ him by paying. This was a £15 bill when he’d been fine with my buying dinner and hotel rooms. 10 minutes later he apologised and said his outburst was because he isn’t used to women paying for things, that no woman has ever so much as bought him a drink before and he doesn’t know how to handle it.

He’s asked me a lot about what savings I have, and tells me he has great business ideas for me to invest in. Is very keen to bring this up in frequent conversations and talks about introducing me to business associates of his.

Despite supposedly earning more money than me, being 4 years older than me (40 years old), living in a very inexpensive part of the country and never moving out of our home town, has never owned property. Obviously there’s no problem with renting but it just doesn’t make sense for someone in his supposed position.

Within a week of meeting up he was talking very seriously about living together. Seemed very keen on me selling my home and us buying somewhere together. When I took it at face value and asked how we would structure it, what sort of price range we’d be considering, he fluffed around and gave me some noncommittal answer about how I should definitely buy it myself for my own legal protection. It seems like he just wants me to provide somewhere for him to live that’s convenient for him and to his taste. He’s living back with his parents as he generously (in his words) let his wife stay in their rented home.

We were at a local pub a couple of nights ago - just the two of us (and nobody we knew in there), and were taking it in turns to buy the drinks. It’s a very standard pub I’ve visited many times, where a glass of wine is around £5-6 and there’s nothing expensive by the glass. A pint of lager/ale and a glass of wine is always

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FreedomFaith · 08/10/2021 14:33

He'll likely start sending nasty messages soon, and/or threatening to kill himself. Just block him at that point, as not trying to be nasty, but he's probably already on tinder looking for the next woman to take care of him. Hmm

Watch out ladies, another dick head on the loose. Grin

Spottybluepyjamas · 08/10/2021 14:37

Expect suicide threats to come through soon, but bear in mind that it's just another way to try to control you. Stay strong and block at that point.

TonTonMacoute · 08/10/2021 14:39

He is just digging himself into a bigger hole and confirming all your suspicions.

He will soon realise he has no chance, that you have seen right through him. You certainly don't need him in any way, shape or form.

He will probably give up soon and move on to some other poor woman. Sad

Embracelife · 08/10/2021 14:41

Just block him
Dont engage
Suicide threat? Forward to police

billy1966 · 08/10/2021 14:47

OP,

Do not hesitate to tell the police of him taking pictures without your consent.

My friends 19 year old daughter had something similar (couple of topless shots) happen to her by a shortish term boyfriend a couple of years ago and when she finished with him, he sent a snide text to her about hoping he didn't "accidentally post them on insta!".

Well if he did, she told her sister who insisted their parents were told.

My friends husband was straight on to the police who were round to HIS parents house and put him so straight his head spun.

The police insisted his phone was cleared in front of them and I cannot describe to you how absolutely appalled and upset HIS parents were.
They were truly mortified.

He obviously claimed he never had any intention whatsoever of doing anything but the police were having none of it.

It also got around what had happened, causing further modification for his parents and family (who are very nice people).

I think you should gently give your parents the heads up that he wasn't nice and you want nothing further to do with him.

This will prevent any possibility of wistful conversations that your parents might light heartedly have if they were to run into each other.

No details, just a heads up that he is not nice.

It is a crime to take photos of this nature without consent.
He has committed a crime, so do not be confused.
If you report him, he will have the police at his door.

Flowers
billy1966 · 08/10/2021 14:48

Mortification!

midsomermurderess · 08/10/2021 14:49

The definition of harassment is in the relevant piece of legislation. Texting twice after being told to stop isn't the definition, but might well go to pointing towards a course of conduct which does amount to harassment.

Thadhiya · 08/10/2021 14:50

@Neverkins

Thank you all, again, for all the kind messages and encouragement. There are lots of wise and lovely people here. I’m sorry to see so many have experienced similar relationships, or at least encountered similar characters.

No crazy or scary behaviour from him so far, though he has messaged quite a lot and called a few times. He was trying to be loving and concerned. He sent me a ‘good morning’ photo of himself (just his head, smiling) and lots of ‘I love you’d but I just found it repulsive. He’s already shifting into the next phase, it would seem. He’s guilt-tripping me about how I could do this so soon after his wife, how devastated his mum is as she thought I was so nice, how it’s all because of me that he hasn’t made any progress with finding his own place as he was so certain we would be living together soon that it didn’t make sense to rent somewhere himself, etc. I just really really hope he tires himself out and leaves me alone soon without any further drama.

Oh, he was SO looking forward to getting a house with you - shown his hand there. That's what he wanted. Either to live with you rent-free or get on your mortgage - and half the house.

God what a creepy git. Sending face shots.

You describe him as a man even when you were a teen - is he a lot older? Desperate old git's probably realised there's no starry-eyed young teens left to fleece.

Sorry you're going through this OP, it really is shitty. But you're gonna come out of this so much stronger and more able to spot the abusive creeps when they next come along.

HappyDays101010 · 08/10/2021 14:51

I wish there was some way to stop the waves of cringe/regret that I’m getting every time I think of him

Your cringe will be over in a couple of weeks/months. The only time to truly regret a relationship is if you don't end it when you realise they're wrong for you.

Finals1234 · 08/10/2021 14:53

@Neverkins

I know now that the red flags are very big ones, but somehow I convinced myself that maybe I had just got too used to being single and doing everything my own way. I even understood why he would want ‘us’ to buy a different house as I accepted I probably was being unreasonably guarded and selfish about my own space.

I wish there was some way to stop the waves of cringe/regret that I’m getting every time I think of him 🤦‍♀️ Biggest mistake ever.

Ahh, please don't feel cringe or regret!

I am reading this and thinking you are so amazing for noticing and addressing the flags so quickly. I married the cool guy from my past and had 3 kids with him, wasted 10 years being treated horrendously before I finally left.

I wish I had the foresight to do exactly what you are doing now, and not leaving it far too long.

You've done a bloody brave and amazing thing, you will remember this for years to come.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 08/10/2021 14:54

@Neverkins

I know now that the red flags are very big ones, but somehow I convinced myself that maybe I had just got too used to being single and doing everything my own way. I even understood why he would want ‘us’ to buy a different house as I accepted I probably was being unreasonably guarded and selfish about my own space.

I wish there was some way to stop the waves of cringe/regret that I’m getting every time I think of him 🤦‍♀️ Biggest mistake ever.

Ah don't. I had that too, still do occasionally. But you are effectively "victim blaming" yourself, and that's never a good thing.

Yes, you were taken in - but that's what those bloody hormones do to you when there's an attraction! It really is NOT your fault. He has used you, used the knowledge that you had a teen crush on him to take advantage of you. The blame is on HIM for being a scumbag. You ARE a nice person - he is NOT.

And besides - you got out before you lost any money (well, bar the dates you paid for), before he moved in, before you had actual sex with him - so hurrah! You Have Done Really Well.

The cringe might last a while longer, but try to overlay it with "But at least I saw the light and got away before it got any more involved". Thanks

SmurfetteBlue · 08/10/2021 14:57

Nobody falls in love quicker than a man that needs somewhere to live (or woman, don't want to cause offence). Glad you can see him for what he is now OP. Look after yourself x

RainyDay2020 · 08/10/2021 14:57

There are so many red flags here I don’t know where to start!
I am not often one to say “LTB” but I think you need to end the relationship ASAP
You are in love with the idea of who you thought he was - the actual person is very different.

Bexxe · 08/10/2021 15:02

majorly underthinking major flags.
It must be all sorts of flatterring that this guy now fancies you - but he seems a liar and ahell bent on making you his main source of income.
It sounds liek he is currently on his arse from his failed marraige and is so 'in love with you' because you are a crutch for himw hen hes low. (specially if we are talking 2/3 days)
ignore is words (which quite clearly apper to be lies) and focus on his actions, taking emotions out of it.
If its enough for you to be questioning on here to a bunch of strangers, then you already know the answer

Allycott · 08/10/2021 15:03

OP should block this guy immediately. Keeping the lines of communication open is asking for trouble.

Imdoingitnow · 08/10/2021 15:05

@RainyDay2020 read the posts "- she has left him!

IfImLyingImDying · 08/10/2021 15:14

@Neverkins

I know now that the red flags are very big ones, but somehow I convinced myself that maybe I had just got too used to being single and doing everything my own way. I even understood why he would want ‘us’ to buy a different house as I accepted I probably was being unreasonably guarded and selfish about my own space.

I wish there was some way to stop the waves of cringe/regret that I’m getting every time I think of him 🤦‍♀️ Biggest mistake ever.

We’ve all been there with the cringey repulsive regret OP. It happens to the best of us and will fade over time.
midsomermurderess · 08/10/2021 15:14

@RainyDay2020, you don't need to begin, it's over. There seems to be a lot of ramping up the drama here, now that the OP has ended it with him. Is it useful? Some if it feels like people are dissapointed to have missed the boat.

plesiosaurus · 08/10/2021 15:20

@SmurfetteBlue Yes to this! The psycho ex of a friend has finally had a bit of karma when he found out his new bride (whirlwind romance, married in less than 8 months and would have been less if not for Covid) is not in fact a successful home-owning self employed business woman, but an unemployed undischarged bankrupt who has never owned a house in her life! She convinced him (pushing 60) to take out a large mortgage for their new-start-together property, and if she's still with him in five years I'll eat my hat.

PopcornPeacock · 08/10/2021 15:27

I've inly got part way through reading this, so sorry if someone's already said this but.......

Contact the bank and tell them you've lost your card and ask for a new one. Reason being he may have noted down all your card details which means he can use it online.

A new card means a new number that he won't know - do it pronto.

Oh, AND RUN LIKE HELL - THATAWAY........--->

meadowbleu · 08/10/2021 15:32

@Neverkins

Thank you everyone. I’m almost relieved that opinion is so unanimous, because I’ve been starting to feel so sad about the whole situation and isolated due to feeling unable to talk to my friends.

We don’t even have sex. He likes
to undress me and look at me (which sounds creepy and gross written down) but he can’t perform in bed because he says he took his marriage vows so seriously that it feels wrong to have ‘full sex’ with another woman yet.

I get the feeling he’s not going to be easy to break up with.

@Neverkins everything you've told us about this man gives me the absolute chills and when I read the last line of your post above I was fearful for you. It's probably true, but from your subsequent posts it sounds like you've thought ahead and are handling it with firm dignity.

He and his behaviour sound absolutely horrendous, it's lucky you didn't get in any deeper. On the flip side, you sound successful and absolutely lovely and with the support of your family and friends you should be able to navigate this break up without too much hassle. One step out of line, report him for anything that will be recorded Flowers

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 08/10/2021 15:42

@apalledandshocked

More red flags than a Socialist Workers party meeting
This.
Bounce55 · 08/10/2021 15:50

@CoastalWave

I couldn't be arsed reading all that. Enough red flags early on in your story.

Are you really that low in self confidence? Focus on sorting that out. Get rid of this loser.

She has
vajingleberry · 08/10/2021 15:52

There are so many red flags here I don’t know where to start!

@RainyDay2020 You could start by actually reading the thread, or if you are just soooo important and busy you could just read the OPs posts.

Did you not think that 800plus posts later things might have moved on?

leakymcleakleak · 08/10/2021 16:01

OP you've done so, so well.

But just to reiterate what others have said: these aren't just red flags of a dodgy relationship/bad bloke. They're red flags for a domestic violence relationship, and coercive control. So many of the things you've mentioned are actual crimes, and he is full on in the middle of the love-bombing/honeymoon stage of the relationship. The fact you've picked this up now is a good thing, and you should give yourself credit. No matter how 'obvious' some signs may be to outsiders, when you're actually in the middle of someone love bombing you that detail can be obscured, and these men are very convincing.

I would be particularly worried about his ex wife, and the fact everyone is taking her side. I would be tempted to ring the police, ask to speak to a domestic violence officer, and see about a Clare's law request. I think at this stage, asking for advice and saying:

  • he took photos of you naked while asleep and wouldn't delete them when asked
  • he has other photos of you which were consensually taken but which you regret and fear he might use
  • he has been bombarding you with messages after being told not to contact you
-you believe he may have misused your debit card when you gave it to him for a specific purpose
  • you have concerns he is volatile, he has never been violent but he has been erratic and you're worried things might escalate.

They can give you advise on steps they can take, esp re: the photos, security for your flat, they may even be able to put a market on your address. I think its possible you could be lucky and he may just move on, but at a minimum I would expect him to put a lot more effort into winning him back and that will be a lot of stress and heartache. But honestly, the gaslighting you describe, everything else - it doesn't just scream cocklodger, it screams abuser. So I would be v v careful, and also v proud at having extracted yourself at this point. Its easy for people behind a keyboard to say the red flags are obvious but most women don't act this quickly in real life, so go easy on yourself.