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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

OP posts:
Coffeepot72 · 05/10/2021 19:50

If I am honest I am scared to end it because being in my lonely house in winter, lots of lonely nights, nobody to cook with or watch a series with etc etc. That might seem pathetic to some, but unless you’ve lived it, it’s hard to describe the loneliness.

OP, I totally get this. Also, it’s damn hard to be ‘back to square one’ again, age 35, when all you want is to be settled with a family (and it’s totally normal to want those things). But by hanging on, you’re delaying the inevitable. This is not going to end well, and better to waste one year than to waste five. It will take courage to make the break, but you won’t meet Mr Right while you’re still with this man.

As my Gran used to say - you can’t fill your pockets with gold if you keep them full of brass!

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 05/10/2021 19:50

Don't settle for someone who's barely interested. You will be so unhappy.

Onelifeonly · 05/10/2021 19:53

Definitely something wrong with him and if he won't share what it is, there is nowhere to go with this relationship. You have been far more understanding and patient than I would have been. Cut your losses and find someone else.

Yummypumpkin · 05/10/2021 19:53

Its mind boggling you want to prolong this. What on earth and why do you think things will change? You've raised it finally then gone back to how things were.

This is how you want to spend the next 30 years??????

I'm utterly at a loss. The entire fundamentals of a normal relationship are entirely missing.

Jux · 05/10/2021 19:54

I bet it'll be something to do with pregnancy, he's made someone pg in the past and is too terrified of that happening again....

Just for interest ask him how many kids he'd like and how he expects that to happen, or was heplanning on adoption.

Nah, chuck him. He may be lovely in every other way but he's unable to be honest and open with you so you'll not get the relationship you want with him. Or it'll take another 10+ years before you do, assuming he'll do serious therapy, so honestly, don't.

Onelifeonly · 05/10/2021 19:54

Of course it's hard to break up, but better a few months of pain and loneliness than 30 or more years of it. Or even a few years of it and never getting the opportunity to have the family you want.

abersterol · 05/10/2021 19:55

I know why people are suggesting that he’s married or in love with someone else but it’s really not that. It just isn’t. I know this with certainty, it’s just not possible, I’m with him a lot and at random and he just isn’t it hasn’t been married. He’s never even had a relationship longer than 3 months

OP posts:
Feelslikealot · 05/10/2021 19:55

I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good

Ermm.. it's not good though is it. If it was, you'd be happy. Except forthe sex, you're describing a great flatmate - someone to cook with, watch a film with, have a laugh with. That's only half a relationship though.

Please please don't waste your fertility on him. He doesn't want children, he doesn't want to have sex with you. He says he loves you but actions speak louder than words.

All the while you're mixed up with him, you're not free to find someone who will happily shag you senseless and have plenty of babies with you.

whynotwhatknot · 05/10/2021 19:55

Even if somehow you managed to get pregnant hes never there-he says he compromises by working less

he works for 13 hours op by choice he'll be an awful father

Feelslikealot · 05/10/2021 19:56

He’s never even had a relationship longer than 3 months

He's almost 40. Doesn't that tell you that he doesn't do commitment?

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 05/10/2021 19:57

If you want a child you kind of need a man who'll have sex with you.
You can't waste years trying to get him to be intimate.

DespairingHomeowner · 05/10/2021 19:58

@CuriousaboutSamphire

So that's a year you have worked towards something that cannot exist with this man.

Cut your losses and start again. He is lying to you, maybe to himself also. It doesn't really matter, you won't get what you want/need from him, so leave.

I’ve spent more than a year in a go nowhere sexless relationship… and wish I could turn back the clock

I’d really advise you to end this & find someone else, ESPECIALLY as you want a family

There is NO excuse for the holiday, and you’ve been more than patient re the sex: you deserve more

TheChip · 05/10/2021 19:58

OP, what do you think? Do you feel you are flogging a dead horse, or do you feel there is future potential?

Bagamoyo1 · 05/10/2021 20:00

OP you’ve had a lucky escape.
This relationship sounds deeply unfulfilling.
And in practical terms, if he doesn’t want kids for 5 years, you’ll be nearly 40 then. And considering he only wants sex twice a year it’s not looking good.

You have time, and you can find someone who loves you, finds you irresistible, and wants to make a life with you. This man is not him.

Coffeepot72 · 05/10/2021 20:01

Another thing, even if you did stay with him, how would you have a family if he won’t have sex? I don’t think I could go down the IVF route under those circumstances

crochetmonkey74 · 05/10/2021 20:02

OP I mean this really kindly but this is your ONE live. It's only been a year, dont tie yourself to this man for any longer

Graphista · 05/10/2021 20:02

Wow! It really shouldn't be THIS difficult THIS early on but then you ignored MASSIVE red flags very early on - why do people do that?

He's either asexual, gay, porn addict or has experienced a sexual trauma or messed up childhood around sex education.

It might be as basic as he's afraid of a pregnancy

But the problem is he is unwilling to address or acknowledge whatever it is.

There's a very very small possibility it's due to a physical issue like v low testosterone but that's quite rare

Plus all his other traits indicate he simply isn't emotionally capable of maintaining an adult relationship

Cut your losses there's nothing but heartache with this man for you

Op I'm long term single if that aspect bothers you do something about it as in DON'T stay in all the time alone, have friends round for dinner/drinks. Join hobby/social groups being single doesn't mean having to be a hermit! And quite honestly that's not a healthy way for YOU to be, to be so dependent on whoever you are dating. You need to nurture a life of your own.

He’s never even had a relationship longer than 3 months

See? Huge red flag! This is far from normal at his age

Stop wasting your time with him, and to be frank I think you could use some therapy to address your own expectations and beliefs and patterns in relationships before embarking on another. I think it would be really good for you

ProfessorInkling · 05/10/2021 20:02

There could be someone completely amazing waiting for you after this. Don’t settle for misery just because it’s one up from being alone.

TopCatsTopHat · 05/10/2021 20:03

I do feel for you immensely because you've invested a lot into this relationship and your vice is trying to work out your least worst option which is not exactly where anyone wants to be.
Do you have rl support you can lean on to help you through?

Rainbowqueeen · 05/10/2021 20:04

Op I really hope you end this, draw a line under it and move on. You will never really know why he is like this. And it doesn’t matter. What matters is why you have been willing to put up with it for so long. Most of the women on this thread would have binned him after 3 months.

If you want a family and a loving relationship you need to be way more aware of red flags and looking at a persons actions not their words.

You will be far more lonely in the future if you stay in this relationship than if you take that leap of faith, end it, work on yourself and take the chance to find someone who can meet your needs. Have you thought about going it alone with donor sperm?

I wish you well

me4real · 05/10/2021 20:05

I would say he's a bit of a wuss. Maybe an anxious and/or depressive person. That's why he doesn't like the pressure of sex (though he denies it's performance anxiety, that's all I can assume) and possibly anxiety caused by being away in a strange place.

Fair enough if this is just something the person is going through, but not if it's long term or his actual personaliity.

If he was haviing treatment or wanted to change this that'd be different, but it doesn't seem that way.

TopCatsTopHat · 05/10/2021 20:07

Vice=choice. 🙄

Durbeyfield · 05/10/2021 20:09

I understand your feelings re: loneliness. Do not let those feelings lead you to settle for this guy.
Ultimately, people do what they want to do.
He doesn’t have sex with you because he doesn’t want to. It is not important why. He also doesn’t want to go away or on holiday with you. Both of those things are normal things that most of us like to do within a relationship.
You are not old and have lots of living to do; do it with someone who wants the same things out of life as you do.

Zucker · 05/10/2021 20:10

Time to call it a day. On a purely practical level, how do to see yourself ever having a family with him when there's no sex? The rest of it sounds like someone so single minded that he can't fit you into his life. Imagine inflicting that onto children.

Psychonabike · 05/10/2021 20:13

Walk away from this one.

There could be all kinds of reasons for his reluctance -he's just not that into sex, he has performance issues, he's confused about his sexuality...anything. I once met a man like this and he was hiding an alcohol problem which impacted on his erection quality...

But it doesnt really matter what it is -the issue is he won't talk about it. He's a fair weather boyfriend, good at the stuff that is easy but he's not doing the stuff that is difficult.

it's good to know this at this point. What if you found out he was this useless under the more stressful circumstances that will inevitably occur in a marriage, through having children etc etc.

You've given him every opportunity to discuss this rationally. If he hasn't taken it there's not much to work on there.