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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

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ShuddaBeenMe · 05/10/2021 20:13

Yep run for the hills

IWantT0BreakFree · 05/10/2021 20:17

For whatever reason (performance anxiety, history of sexual abuse, fear of making you pregnant, he's gay etc) he is quite obviously not wanting to have sex with you. He's saying that he does "at some at point", which is very non-committal, becuse he wants to appease you whilst delaying further attempts from you to initiate sex with him. He's also avoiding a trip away with you which to me seems obvious that it's because he thinks you'll expect sex. Given that it's crystal clear from his actions that he does not wish to have sex, you need to stop pressuring him. That's very wrong. I get that he's not being straightforward in his verbal communication, and that's unfair of him, but his actions couldn't be clearer.

Your decision is whether you wish to stay in a sexless relationship. You are not happy and he sounds stressed to the eyeballs trying to dodge the issue. I think you are completely incompatible and would probably both be happier out of this relationship.

Lovemusic33 · 05/10/2021 20:18

The fact none of his relationships has lasted more than a few months tells you a lot. If he was such a good catch then someone would have snapped him up, truth is he has issues in the bedroom department, they are not caused by you or anyone else, they are his issues but her refuses to admit it so blames others. If he’s not willing to talk about what’s going on and not willing to get any help then why should you put up with it?

If this was me I would be so frustrated, sex is really important to me, more than oral because there’s more of a connection and closeness with actual sex. I would be ditching him and finding someone without these issues. How are you ever going to have a child with someone who can’t ejaculate in you?

ColourMeExhausted · 05/10/2021 20:20

Oh god no. Pretty much echoing nine pages of comments here but...run. If the sex isn't happening now, in the first year together (and no children) then it will NOT improve. You've already passed that point of no return.

I do understand your worry about not meeting someone else...same reason I stuck it out with my ex for so long (he was similar about never wanting to go anywhere and was limited in the times he could see me). I didn't want to 'start again' in my early 30s...but once I broke it off with him I felt so much happier and lighter...then me the man who is now my DH two months later.

Please, please don't settle for this. You are worth so much more.

TopCatsTopHat · 05/10/2021 20:21

@Graphista

Wow! It really shouldn't be THIS difficult THIS early on but then you ignored MASSIVE red flags very early on - why do people do that?

He's either asexual, gay, porn addict or has experienced a sexual trauma or messed up childhood around sex education.

It might be as basic as he's afraid of a pregnancy

But the problem is he is unwilling to address or acknowledge whatever it is.

There's a very very small possibility it's due to a physical issue like v low testosterone but that's quite rare

Plus all his other traits indicate he simply isn't emotionally capable of maintaining an adult relationship

Cut your losses there's nothing but heartache with this man for you

Op I'm long term single if that aspect bothers you do something about it as in DON'T stay in all the time alone, have friends round for dinner/drinks. Join hobby/social groups being single doesn't mean having to be a hermit! And quite honestly that's not a healthy way for YOU to be, to be so dependent on whoever you are dating. You need to nurture a life of your own.

He’s never even had a relationship longer than 3 months

See? Huge red flag! This is far from normal at his age

Stop wasting your time with him, and to be frank I think you could use some therapy to address your own expectations and beliefs and patterns in relationships before embarking on another. I think it would be really good for you

This is wise advice.
DameMaureen · 05/10/2021 20:25

It sounds to me as if he might have some OCD /anxiety thing going on . He reminds me of a family member - very controlled about what they can do , where , when etc ... Is this a possibility ?

Polmuggle · 05/10/2021 20:27

OP you have posted about this man SO MANY times in the last few months. Honestly I'm exhausted for you!

Either you're incredibly mismatched

Or he's lying to you.

There is no happy ending here. Please stop trying for your own sake.

5329871e · 05/10/2021 20:27

He’s a workaholic. He’s going to be an awful husband and terrible father. I know it’s hard to start afresh, but your life is going to be so hard if you choose to stay with someone like that.

mistermagpie · 05/10/2021 20:27

Nope, sorry, I'm with everyone else on this one. Throw him back and keep looking. I get that you don't want to be single and lonely but this is not a good alternative!

If this is your life in the first year, no kids and joint responsibilities, then it won't get better once you add those things in (if you even can with no sex...).

Starryskiesinthesky · 05/10/2021 20:31

He is really not good long term partner material and you need to give up on this relationship and look for another one. You must have the patience of a saint not to have snapped before now.

toocold54 · 05/10/2021 20:33

You haven’t ruined anything in fact I think you needed this honest conversation.

The sex issue would really frustrate me more so because he won’t discuss with you what the issue is. I get he may be embarrassed but you’re a couple and need to communicate.

This relationship seems very one sided and if it’s been a year and things are still the same, things won’t suddenly change over the next 10years. The first year is always the best part of the relationship.
I would be giving him an ultimatum - he needs to communicate more and make some effort to have sex or you will take it as he doesn’t want to improve things and stop wasting your time and finish it.

TopCatsTopHat · 05/10/2021 20:33

@DameMaureen

It sounds to me as if he might have some OCD /anxiety thing going on . He reminds me of a family member - very controlled about what they can do , where , when etc ... Is this a possibility ?
What difference would it make if he did! He isn't interested in changing anything, he's had the opportunity of a caring supportive partner and all he wants to do is dodge the issue and carry on. Spending any effort thinking about why is just throwing more time and energy away.
Allycott · 05/10/2021 20:36

OP I have been where you are and I stood for that shit for 11 years! thought it would get better - spoiler alert - it didn't. I'm over it and we are actually platonic friends - now! But I'll never forget being made to feel like some kind of weirdo/desperate/nag/whiny/predatory person just for wanting what was NORMAL. Please don't waste your time.

Aprilx · 05/10/2021 20:37

You didn’t spoil things by losing your temper, I think you brought things out that needed to come out and we’re overdue. I can’t see any hope for this relationship, it’s going nowhere and you need to be mindful of the sunk costs fallacy.

I don’t know what his deal is, asexual was all I could come up with. I have a low sex drive, but twice in a year in a new relationship for two 30 somethings is more than a low sex drive.

I think you need to set yourself free, if you don’t do that you are never going to find the relationship you want and deserve.

ChristmasPlanning · 05/10/2021 20:38

@Psychonabike

Walk away from this one.

There could be all kinds of reasons for his reluctance -he's just not that into sex, he has performance issues, he's confused about his sexuality...anything. I once met a man like this and he was hiding an alcohol problem which impacted on his erection quality...

But it doesnt really matter what it is -the issue is he won't talk about it. He's a fair weather boyfriend, good at the stuff that is easy but he's not doing the stuff that is difficult.

it's good to know this at this point. What if you found out he was this useless under the more stressful circumstances that will inevitably occur in a marriage, through having children etc etc.

You've given him every opportunity to discuss this rationally. If he hasn't taken it there's not much to work on there.

Absolutely this

There's better men out there who won't promise you a future that they can't fulfil

faoeihfj · 05/10/2021 20:40

I don't think he is with someone else from what you say, but I do think his issues sound quite significant - at your age, not to be having great sex one year into a relationship sounds somewhat disappointing! And also postponing the thought of dc for a good 5 years sounds worrying.

I don't think it is a good idea to be yelling at him or losing your rag, but I do think you can say that you need to talk to him about where the relationship is going, and you need to understand the situation about sex and children better. That might prompt him to talk more openly to you and if so all the good.

The reluctance about sex might be to do with him not wanting to get you pregnant by accident??!!

The not wanting to go away does sound as though he is not fully invested, though as he says, he does see you a lot outside work.

As for being lonely through winter, organise other things in advance, take up a new hobby. If you are single you have more chance of meeting the right person for you!

DFOD · 05/10/2021 20:44

@abersterol

I guess in my irrational and anxiety filled moments I wonder if I am being demanding or unfair or making an issue out of nothing. If I hadn’t said anything then we would be fine now, happily making dinner and being intimate in other ways and just getting on with life. It makes me feel like I’ve been a drama Queen especially when he says I’ve been so hurtful he’s now reconsidering things.
No they are not irrational moments - they are your head talking you out of your true needs and telling you to tolerate foundational situations that are fundamental to your life.

No one needs to turn themselves inside out for anyone - you are flogging a dead horse here.

It’s quite simple that he can’t give you what you need - so you are not compatible - you need to respect yourself and walk away.

What was your childhood like that you accept such low treatment and standards for yourself?

Did anyone cherish you, nurture and build up your self esteem - or were you expected to put up and shut up.

You have tried too hard for too long - this relationship is not delivering and never will.

Don’t waste another minute of your precious and finite fertile years with this loser.

BaronessOfTheNorth · 05/10/2021 20:46

I couldn't do it. Not just the sex but the not committing to you or any plans. It sounds to me like he wants a warm body to sleep besides and a friend.

Interesting that he doesn't want to start a family for five years...putting you at 40 🤨 don't let him take the last of your 30s, everyone deserves someone who loves them properly.

FranceTeam · 05/10/2021 20:51

He might have a tight foreskin, which can make it difficult to enjoy penetration. Also, some guys just don’t links ejaculating to penetrative sex and prefer oral or hand relief.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 05/10/2021 20:52

Life should be easy. This sounds hard work and boring frankly.

FancyLampshade · 05/10/2021 20:58

Have you considered that he might be married or already living with someone? Hence why he will accept oral sex but not ‘cross the line’ into intercourse?

You’re not being weird at all OP, you’ve been v patient but I would move on now.

CatKittyCatCatKittyCatCat · 05/10/2021 20:58

You should look into avoidant and anxious attachment style relationships.

itsallgoingpearshaped · 05/10/2021 20:59

You are wasting your time with this man.

He is not relationship material. He shows you that every day.

He can't even have sex ... there will be no children even if you do stay together as sex is kind of a prerequisite.

Cut your losses. He is not going to change.

Naunet · 05/10/2021 21:00

I doubt he’s gay if he gets hard kissing you and will give oral. But ultimately, the reason doesn’t matter, the result is the same, you cannot have the future you want with this man.

MackenCheese · 05/10/2021 21:04

Trust me, you'll be lonelier if you stay in this relationship long term than if you cut your losses now and leave. These people get harder to live with, not easier!