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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

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Wondergirl100 · 05/10/2021 19:17

God OP please put some boundaries in place - your most basic needs are not being met and YOU are feeling bad about articulating that after many many months of being patient.

He may be a porn addict - sounds v like it. He is being CRUEL stringing you along with lies saying he wants sex when he really does not. He clearly isn't seeking help for that issue and doesn't care AT ALL how it effects you

Im really sad when young women stay in shit situations like this. Please walk away and find someone who loves you.

DressBitch · 05/10/2021 19:18

What contraceptive do you use?

Maybe he doesn't actually want a family or to settle down, and is scared you'll try and "trap" him by getting pregnant.

I doubt it, but maybe.

Wondergirl100 · 05/10/2021 19:20

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned porn. Classic signs.

Op there is nothing here to destroy unless you would genuinely be happy going forward with everything being exactly as it is.

The saying - when someone shows you who they are - believe them - has never been more apt here. He is telling you loud and clear that this is how he is and he won't be changing.

Please walk away.

GatoradeMeBitch · 05/10/2021 19:21

Destroyed things? What is there to destroy?!

You need to think about what you want in your personal life and whether this man has any chance of meeting that.

If you want marriage - maybe. If you want kids, I'd say there's next to no chance unless he'll agree to try the turkey baster method.

I think this man would be better left to his own devices. You cannot fix him. Why even bother trying?

Flickeringgreenlight · 05/10/2021 19:22

I just feel so sad. I want to settle down and I was clear about that with him from the start.

There's a massive difference between settling down and settling. Is settling down worth the sacrifice for you, OP? Do you want to settle down above everything else? As he will not change. You won't be able to change him, this is it. This IS him. Just think about that. 💐

StripeyFloorboards · 05/10/2021 19:23

He is not right for you. It doesn’t really matter why his sex drive is so low, it is what it is and he is not interested in changing it.

This.

And there's no loneliness like the loneliness of a dysfunctional, unfulfilling relationship. You need to end things and get on with your life.

Clymene · 05/10/2021 19:24

It doesn't matter if he's autistic, or is married or gay or whatever is behind his inability to prioritise the OP. He has had so much of her headspace. And now it's time to stop because he isn't the man for her to build a future with.

He needs to sort out his issues. He is not the OP's problem to fix.

torquewench · 05/10/2021 19:27

There's a reason he won't have sex, and it's not you. I've an ex who never, ever came in th 5 years we were together. Blamed it on accidentally once urinating on someone at the same time, 30+ years ago. Nothing to do with his death grip and porn habits 🙄

BiLuminous · 05/10/2021 19:28

@torquewench

There's a reason he won't have sex, and it's not you. I've an ex who never, ever came in th 5 years we were together. Blamed it on accidentally once urinating on someone at the same time, 30+ years ago. Nothing to do with his death grip and porn habits 🙄
Not to mention that unless he has some kind of birth defect then it's anatomically impossible
Pices · 05/10/2021 19:29

Throw this one back...

MilesOfSand · 05/10/2021 19:31

I would be massively shocked if the sex issue improves. Either he knows why and isn’t telling you, or doesn’t even understand himself. Both things are a hiding to nothing and a clear signal that’s he’s willing to keep you hanging on for something that he’s unable to provide, and knows is important to you. Don’t waste any more time because you’re scared of being lonely, there is nothing more lonely than being stuck in a relationship like this, years down the line. Don’t do it.

Ginger1982 · 05/10/2021 19:33

You are 100% wasting your life with this man. I get you don't want to be alone and want a family but he's never going to give you this. He wants to wait 5 years until you are reaching the upper end of your fertility? Fuck that. Besides, what sort of dad would he make?

You honestly need to bin him off. You deserve so much more.

EffYouSeeKaye · 05/10/2021 19:34

You are 35, you want a family. He won’t sleep with you or even spend a weekend away with you. You’ve given him a year of your life. That’s enough now, op, don’t analyse him. Just move on.

I do completely understand the fear and loneliness of facing a winter alone, but that doesn’t have to be the case just because you aren’t with this man. Please don’t let that make you give him any more of your time.

Livpool · 05/10/2021 19:36

I would say you have put up with a lot from him - and no wonder it all came out.

Not wanting sex - but saying he does

Not booking ONE day off for a long weekend

I would end things - you are the only one compromising

bembridge11 · 05/10/2021 19:36

He isnt being honest about his circumstances
Most probably he has a wife or soon to be ex wife or some other complex baggage he is hiding from you.
The reason why being in a normal relationship is 'making the extra effort' is because for him he has to create an intricate web of lies to spend time with you.

torquewench · 05/10/2021 19:37

I'll admit to being ignorant of that, but he didn't fool me into believing what he said. His current GF is a nurse so I'd love to know using that line washes with her 😂

TheNoodlesIncident · 05/10/2021 19:38

You can't fix this. It doesn't matter what his issues actually are. Don't waste any more time on him, start looking again.

He can't be the one. Being a bit lonely isn't fun but you'll get through it. Next one, be a bit less patient and understanding, and a bit more "Is this working for me? Are we heading in the right direction?"

DaphneDeloresMoorhead · 05/10/2021 19:43

I've only had one boyfriend that ever turned down sex, turns out he didn't want to have sex with me cos he was still in love with his ex.
What I'm saying is I've never met a man who declined sex at any possible opportunity. This sounds to me that there's something wrong other than physical which means he doesn't want to have sex with you.

Rainbowheart1 · 05/10/2021 19:44

Are you sure your not the OW as it sounds like it.

ChargingBuck · 05/10/2021 19:44

He did say recently that he definitely wanted children but that was something he’d consider only when he was 43/44. I found that strange too, for someone who actively says a lot that that is what he wants…why wait five years?!

Because he's a future faker who is hoping you will stick around for the crumbs he is prepared to offer you, until you are 40, & having fertility issues.

He will make more time for you ... someday, but he can't say when.
He will go away with you ... someday, but he can't say when.
He wants sex with you someday ... but he can't say when.

He has so many problems, & is waving so many red flags.
I get that you want to settle down - but for goodness sake OP - why with him?

FlowerArranger · 05/10/2021 19:45

@jitterbugruby

Dear OP I feel so sad for you. You have completely prioritised this man in your relationship and put your own needs on the back burner and now you are feeling guilty for expressing these. There are so many red flags here I don't think this man is going to make you happy. Whatever the reasons behind his behaviour are - whether that's that he is with someone else (I think this needs definite consideration from you original post) or whether he is being careful to avoid getting you pregnant, or he has anxieties about intercourse, or he is homosexual - who knows. It is not your job to solve this and you cannot spend the next however many years wasting more of your precious life on this man who is not giving you what you need. When you meet someone you want to settle with and have children with , a real partnership, you will realise how different it feels and all the anxieties you are currently experiencing with this man will be long forgotten. You need to prioritise yourself now and I think you will have a better future for it. Good luck xx
Precisely!

@abersterol - you are a grown woman, you are clearly intelligent, so why are you making this so hard? You are twisting yourself every which way to try and figure out this man who doesn't even have the decency to talk to you and explain what is going on with him. All the while you are wasting your one and only precious life!!

Why? Because you are afraid to be alone? You'd rather snuggle up in front of a cosy fire with this no-hoper than take charge of your life? Get a cat, get a lodger, explore new interests, travel to places you want to see...... But stop this charade, please do Flowers

Aquamarine1029 · 05/10/2021 19:46

When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family.

Sadly, you have already wasted a year on this man, and every day puts you further and further away from having a family. Stay with him, and your dreams of having children will be over, because he is never going to give you the family you want.

Eslteacher06 · 05/10/2021 19:46

Thing is... you're worried about starting again to have kids, but you guys don't have sex. So unless you start messing with a turkey baster, you're in the same position whether you're with him or meeting someone new.

I know it's scary starting over but do you want the long drawn out pain of being with him or the opportunity to meet someone who wants what you want?

Feelslikealot · 05/10/2021 19:47

I didn't get past the bit where you said you've attempted sex twice in a year. Not even had sex. Fuck that. Throw this one back and find one who wants to have sex with you.

CatKittyCatCatKittyCatCat · 05/10/2021 19:49

You haven’t ruined anything.

Something is up with him, whether it be avoidant attachment style or psychosexual issues or some combination of the two.

These are his issues, not ours. It’s not your job to fix him. The only person who can effectively deal with his issues is him, and doesn’t sound like he is trying to.

Get out now. This road only leads to much heartbreak.

You got angry because a very sensible part of you wants to protect you from that fate.