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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

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HaveringWavering · 15/10/2021 02:08

I’m really curious what line of work he is in that you reckon he’d have insisted on working on Xmas day!

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 15/10/2021 02:58

Op if you really want to dwell on things, be systematic and evidence based. if you want to genuinely separate the fact from the fantasy of this relationship go back through the last six pages of this thread and on one sheet write down where you’ve said “If only I could have done x y z, if only I could have been more … if only I’d found a way to express myself in a way that he could have accepted or listened to without closing down the discussion.

Get another sheet of paper headed “If only he could have”
Eg Made time to be with me at the weekend instead of turning up late on Sunday night
Introduced me to his family and friends
Been planning to include me in his Christmas or holiday plans
If only he could have actually had a weekend away with me instead of saying he would but cancelling again and again
If only he could have had sex with me
If only he could have gone out for a drink with me without sulking and ruining it
If only he could have had a discussion about our relationship without punishing me with coldness and anger
If only he hadn’t lied and lied again about what he wanted whilst continually withdrawing and withholding
You will see is that your list is short and his is very very long.
Think about what it would feel like to be a child with a father who behaves like this the next time you think “oh but he would have been such a good dad”

Write down exactly how much time, out of possible waking hours, month by month week by week did you actually spend together.
Eg weekend - Sunday from 6pm ( not 5 pm because he was LATE) until fell asleep at 11 pm - 5 hours - 5 hours over a weekend, on a day when hardly anyone except shift workers or emergency services work.
The tail end of one or two evenings a week - 3-4 hours a time if you were lucky. The times you spent together outside the house or with other people.
I bet he bloody loved Lockdown.
How much time Could you have spent together if he’d wanted to.
Do a chart, colour it in so you can see the disparity right in front of you.
These are cold hard facts and you should look at them every time you want to say if only I had acted differently.
This is not to make you feel bad but a way to separate what he said about himself and how he presented himself with the actually reality of the situation. You trusted him to be truthful because you were truthful and the fault is with him not you.
Also consider how much of his valuable time he’d be prepared to devote to children when he begrudges you all but the merest fraction of his time. You would be bringing them up with a withholding, selfish sulky man. Think about the pain he’s caused and consider If you could ever allow him to inflict that coldness on your child?

And then think about why you are saying you would give up the chance to have children - the thing you want most in the world- to devote yourself to a man who couldn’t be bothered to give up even a single day off for you.

And when you’ve done the horrible lists you can start writing lists about what you want from a relationship, what you want to spend time doing etc . It will soon become apparent that it doesn’t match what you’ve had in the last year

Shuffleuplove · 15/10/2021 06:38

@DuckbilledSplatterPuff that’s incredibly useful! I love a bit of structured thinking. - is that particular method from somewhere else? I want to read more about it!

abersterol · 15/10/2021 08:40

@DuckbilledSplatterPuff amazing thank you so much

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momtoboys · 15/10/2021 15:44

@abersterol

I keep thinking maybe I was too full on and too much. Maybe if I’d been more patient or breezy about things, more relaxed and didn’t let it get to me so much. Maybe he just didn’t want to move as fast as I did.
You were together a YEAR! Being able to have a discussion like adults is not asking too much. You just seem to be looking for ways now to overlook what an ass he is and blame things on yourself.
abetsterol · 16/10/2021 08:21

Things feel really hard today. I keep thinking of how I really genuinely thought he was the right person for me. I felt so lucky and we said that to each other all the time…it doesn’t make sense that if he genuinely felt that way he could just be so cold about it and cut me out. He said I was the best part of his life, I was the happy part.

I just don’t understand why he didn’t treat the relationship with respect and effort in the sense of wanting to evolve and grow together, in light of all those comments. I feel scared about today because there’s no work, just a blanket load of hours of nothingness.

abersterol · 16/10/2021 08:22

Things feel really hard today. I keep thinking of how I really genuinely thought he was the right person for me. I felt so lucky and we said that to each other all the time…it doesn’t make sense that if he genuinely felt that way he could just be so cold about it and cut me out. He said I was the best part of his life, I was the happy part.

I just don’t understand why he didn’t treat the relationship with respect and effort in the sense of wanting to evolve and grow together, in light of all those comments. I feel scared about today because there’s no work, just a blanket load of hours of nothingness ahead of me.

I feel really sad and lost.

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OverweightPidgeon · 16/10/2021 08:24

I’d get some therapy Op , you are becoming obsessed with trying to figure out what really is very straight forward in that you just weren’t compatible.

abersterol · 16/10/2021 08:25

I also don’t think I will ever trust anyone again after this. I had no idea he could be so callous and unfeeling. He clearly feels his life is much improved without me in it and I wish I hadn’t spent all this time essentially waiting for him, waiting for him to open up incrementally, waiting for intimacy, waiting for the weeks while he focused solely on his interview, waiting to have a day off with him. All for him to turn round and discard me without so much as a tiny bit of effort when I raised some basic things.

What was I doing with him and how could i have believed in it so passionately.

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abersterol · 16/10/2021 08:27

@OverweightPidgeon I am in therapy. He said repeatedly he never thought he would have met someone like me etc etc. Not once did he suggest we weren’t compatible and I didn’t think that either.

These issues just needed an adult conversation and a bit of work. I clearly wasn’t worth that to him and it really hurts.

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something2say · 16/10/2021 08:41

I'm sorry to read this and now you're going through the gutted stage.

When reading your op, my thought was....so she's got upset about his actions, and yet she's now the one in the wrong. He gets to twist it round and make you the bad guy.

I've been thro it with lack of sex too. In the end the relationship died. He admitted he'd avoided it all that time. I learned that sex problems are real problems and sometimes can't be fixed.

I think that's the nub of it.

And try to learn this...the problem was there, you stuck it out but it's still there and its still a problem. Youd have been better to bail earlier.

But now that you've seen it and it looks like its over, move forward. It's time to get up and shake yourself off and think of the FUTURE. You can have and do all those things youve not been able to do. You get a clean slate. Dont waste the weekend. Dust yourself off and do something. Dont think it analyse too much about him, just yourself.

something2say · 16/10/2021 08:43

And it's not about you. You cannot heal another. Dont let that narrative about not being worth it to him get you down. This is all about him and his issues. Your task is to see that with clear eyes and learn. You couldn't change him in the end. Next time you'll see problems and respect them.

ErrmWTAF · 16/10/2021 09:09

Oh hon. A big un-Mumsnetty hug from over here.

Go do something fun today. Go to the nearest park and do cartwheels, or make yourself sick on some spinny kids play equipment. Or splash about in a local pool.

Then come home, reconnect with friends and plan brunch for tomorrow.

Then get some groceries in, focus on self-indulgent foods that now-ex didn't much care for.

Maybe consider fresh new bed linens that never saw his stupid, robot, future-faking ass in it.😁

Now, there's a nice full, fun day for you, yes?

HaveringWavering · 16/10/2021 09:20

These issues just needed an adult conversation and a bit of work.

No they didn’t! The man clearly has deeply entrenched mental health issues around sex. You could NOT have fixed him.

Musttryharder2021 · 16/10/2021 09:27

@abersterol

I also don’t think I will ever trust anyone again after this. I had no idea he could be so callous and unfeeling. He clearly feels his life is much improved without me in it and I wish I hadn’t spent all this time essentially waiting for him, waiting for him to open up incrementally, waiting for intimacy, waiting for the weeks while he focused solely on his interview, waiting to have a day off with him. All for him to turn round and discard me without so much as a tiny bit of effort when I raised some basic things.

What was I doing with him and how could i have believed in it so passionately.

This is what happens when you make the man the centre of your world.

Did you always make men the (emotional) centre of your world? Is it more exacerbated because you're 35 and feel worried you might miss out on marriage and children?

I'm not going to tell you there's time ...technically speaking for children you'd need to get some fertility checks done to dee what your clinical picture is currently ...you really can meet someone at any point to get married.

Have you thought about solo parenting (as a real possibility if by X time you don't meet someone to do this with)?

KeflavikAirport · 16/10/2021 09:42

OP I had a similar relationship at your age. Difference is I binned him after a month because, just, helloooo I don't have time to waste. Read He's just not that into you. All the time you are mooning over this guy, you are wasting time you could be on the market for someone who does want what you want. Though I agree with other posters that in your shoes you should spend a good while in hardcore therapy to sort your boundaries out first.

BTW I met my husband OLD a few months after that relationship ^^ and had kids.

Peridot1 · 16/10/2021 09:56

@HaveringWavering

These issues just needed an adult conversation and a bit of work.

No they didn’t! The man clearly has deeply entrenched mental health issues around sex. You could NOT have fixed him.

Completely agree.

@abersterol - it was never you. It was always him. He has deep issues around sex and intimacy. And his family seem similar. There are reasons he is still single at almost 40.

He knows what he needs to say to a romantic partner. But talk is cheap. He CANNOT deliver. He WILL NOT deliver.

He was very cruel to lie to you and string you along.

You seem very hurt by the idea that he is now happy without you. You don’t know that. He is probably quite unhappy you eventually saw through him. And stood up for your needs and wants. The needs and wants of anyone in a normal relationship.

A few people commented that he may be autistic and I know that is easily bandied about on here. But he really does show some traits. And even if he is not autistic he has other issues around sex.

The relationship was never going to work long term because he is incapable of a relationship. He can say all the right things but that is about it. It’s all words.

You gave it a good go and it’s on him that it didn’t work.

Please stop beating yourself up. It was never you. It was always him.

Coffeepot72 · 16/10/2021 10:05

When you meet the right person it will all just click into place. None of this painful business of forcing square pegs into round holes.

Berkeys · 16/10/2021 10:06

OP, you need to read this www.goodtherapy.org/blog/married-with-undiagnosed-autism-why-women-who-leave-lose-twice-0420164

He is exhibiting a LOT of classic ASD behaviours. It might help you understand and process if you can see it is his brain being wired differently (I speak as neurodiverse (ADHD) myself but I have a DP with ASD as well, which is very hard).

abersterol · 16/10/2021 10:07

@Peridot1 thanks, your post really helped. I keep wishing I hadn’t lost my temper but I got to the point where I was so confused and felt so unsure about what was happening that I just snapped. I said some mean things to him. I can see that the issues came from him. I think a lot of my pain right now is the fact I’m older, I’m on my own and I feel totally battered by relationships. I can’t imagine for one moment meeting someone who makes me feel safe and loved. I 100% can’t imagine feeling so loved that I wouod marry anyone. All relationships look like to me now are very transactional, ‘let’s try and rub along so we have company’ sort of things. I don’t remember what it’s like to feel properly loved. I’m just broken. And not specifically because I’ve lost this man. Just my zest and hope is all gone.

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HyggeTygge · 16/10/2021 11:29

Sorry OP I hope this doesn't sound harsh, but the other day I had a conversation with my 6yo about why we couldn't go to the cinema.
I explained that Daddy had an important meeting and I was feeling poorly (sneezing and snotty) and we'd have to go another time.
"But why can't we go? I really want to go"
Because I'm sick, and I can't risk spreading sickness to other people, and Daddy can't reschedule his meeting because a lot of other people have booked this time in and can't change it.
"But why can't we go? I really really really want to!"

This sounds a little like you - you seem convinced that things were somehow fine, you'd be having babies despite never having sex (?!), you'd be enjoying the company of a man who is on your wavelength and in love with you, despite a lot of what he says being a proven lie (that he wants xyz but then refuses to do it), that you'd spend time together despite him refusing to commit to even one day together.

You seem articulate and perceptive in many ways yet you can't seem to click that these things are very very wrong and cannot - CANNOT - be conducive to a relationship.

Periodic companionship, perhaps. If that is what you want for the rest of your life then maybe you could've spent a few years never daring to bring it up or ask basic questions in case you spoilt the periodic companionship, but you have said that is not what you want from life.

You're not compatible.

abersterol · 16/10/2021 11:43

Thanks @HyggeTygge it does help to read that.

I’m just really really low today. I feel like I was so kind to him and he’s just cast me aside, despite telling me so many times that he wanted the same things as me.

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