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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

OP posts:
DFOD · 14/10/2021 14:09

[quote abersterol]@Musttryharder2021 I’d have stayed with him. I want all of that stuff but I did actually love the man. I wanted to make it work with him, which is why I’ve found this so hard and out of the blue that he couldn’t even work though the basic things. It’s hurtful with a background of him saying how great it all was together.[/quote]
It’s not out of the blue though is it?

It’s 365 consecutive days, day in day out of not giving you what you need and want.

You sound almost delusional about the reality of what was actually happening as opposed to what you were trying to force happening.

abersterol · 14/10/2021 14:20

@ChargingBuck I just clung on to the fact that he said marriage and family and relationships were so important. He said they were the heart of things in life, what mattered most etc etc. When his actions didn’t mirror that I just took his reasons on face value. Ie someone who says these things matter so much must actually want to do them but genuinely can’t. So I just let things carry on I guess.

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abersterol · 14/10/2021 14:23

@DFOD the Sunday night thing was during his busy patches at work where he would just say he needed to work a lot and so could we do say 5pm Sunday and then he would be back in his office by 9:30pm. I would sometimes stay until Wednesday but we’d literally just have a quick dinner at 9pm (he would get back late) then we would go to bed. It never felt much like he wanted to invest in our time.

Latterly I had been spending most of my time at his place as I was on a placement in an office down the road from his. He was fine with this but again no sex, limited weekend plans and we’d have a very short time together in the evening and he would be back working or just get back very late.

I didn’t actually mind the working side of things. It would just have been nice to have been intimate and to have had something in the calendar. The way it was made me feel like I was just hanging around while he lived his life and didnt make any effort to have a real relationship with me.

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Shuffleuplove · 14/10/2021 14:27

OP just reading your posts about this man makes me anxious, frustrated and panicky. God alone knows how you’ve put up with this - by retreating into a fantasy about how it might be if only he was someone else, maybe?

Shuffleuplove · 14/10/2021 14:28

The way it was made me feel like I was just hanging around while he lived his life

That’s exactly what he did.

abersterol · 14/10/2021 14:31

@Shuffleuplove I think I knew things weren’t ‘right’ for a while. He was very awkward about things and just made me feel like I was an inconvenience a lot of the time. I’m not sure that was how he actually felt but it was how it seemed.

I just wanted to do nice things together and build a future - the exact things he said he wanted. I feel really perplexed that he would say those things if it’s not how he felt. When I pushed sex and actually doing some nice things (even the theatre was a big deal to him, couldn’t commit to a date for it), he then just retreated entirely from me. Said I always wanted things my way etc.

It’s just so strange that months off 40, apparently keen for a family and settling down, someone would then also actively put that off for another 5 years. It’s not like he was 25. I feel a fool for just letting it play out and not walking away.

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ChargingBuck · 14/10/2021 14:32

[quote abersterol]@ChargingBuck I just clung on to the fact that he said marriage and family and relationships were so important. He said they were the heart of things in life, what mattered most etc etc. When his actions didn’t mirror that I just took his reasons on face value. Ie someone who says these things matter so much must actually want to do them but genuinely can’t. So I just let things carry on I guess.[/quote]
Of course you did Aber. How were you to know he was lying in your face?

& you need to stop giving them credence now - because, HE WAS LYING.

All the heartwrenching rumination time you are giving this man is doing is allowing you to convince yourself that ... maybe he DID want those things, & if you'd only been a perfect Superwoman ... etc etc

Hi didn't want those things. He has never wanted them, & he never will want them. But he was happy to lie about them, to keep you onside.

Just like he was definitely going to be ready to go away with you in October ... right?

You should be celebrating your release from this man's bondage. He made you miserable. Part of your current misery is habit, from how ground down you are from this man's exhausting self-centredness.

And one one the giant bonuses is you will now never have to worry & wonder if he means what he says - because he is gone, along with his future-faking & bullshit.
So why are you wasting time, still wondering about him?

Babyghirl · 14/10/2021 14:32

@Musttryharder2021
Thank you will have a wee look, I'm having tests done had an mri scan as I have a heart shape uterus and they want to c how bad.

Musttryharder2021 · 14/10/2021 14:33

[quote abersterol]@ChargingBuck I just clung on to the fact that he said marriage and family and relationships were so important. He said they were the heart of things in life, what mattered most etc etc. When his actions didn’t mirror that I just took his reasons on face value. Ie someone who says these things matter so much must actually want to do them but genuinely can’t. So I just let things carry on I guess.[/quote]
If family, relationships, marriage mattered so much he would have by the age of 40 achieved at least one of them....he was just a washed up man in his 40s....discarded by other women who saw the light/or were duped sadly the way you were.

abersterol · 14/10/2021 14:35

I was scared to mention Christmas as I knew I wouldn’t be factored into it in any real way. Obviously I knew we wouldn’t spend the day together but I already sensed he wouldn’t want to have a few days just us. He hasn’t mentioned it, that sort of thing wasn’t on his radar. He would have gone to see his family and then back to work.

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Musttryharder2021 · 14/10/2021 14:36

[quote Babyghirl]@Musttryharder2021
Thank you will have a wee look, I'm having tests done had an mri scan as I have a heart shape uterus and they want to c how bad.[/quote]
That's good Op, you're taking agency and wanting to be as informed as possible so that you can make decisions going forward.

ChargingBuck · 14/10/2021 14:37

The way it was made me feel like I was just hanging around while he lived his life and didnt make any effort to have a real relationship with me.

& that'll be because that is exactly what was happening.

You've done well to see it for what it is, & call time on it.

What nice things are you planning for yourself next? Interests, hobbies, friends? What are you filling your diary with? Do you have exciting projects on at work? Where do you want to go on holiday next? What's the next film you want to make sure & see? What books, theatre trips, dining experiences do you crave?

Start putting positive things back into your life. There is no need to sit at home waiting for this man to bestow a modicum of attention on you anymore - or even worse, sit alone in his house as he goes back into the office at 9.30pm ... so what are you waiting for? You need joy in your life, go & find some!

abersterol · 14/10/2021 14:37

@ChargingBuck thanks. I think i am making some progress. Even if it’s just a little bit. This thread has helped so much. I suddenly think of something I blame myself for and this forum has been good to reflect on it. He did lots of nice things too so that makes it more muddled. He was just impossible to form a real relationship with.

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ChristmasPlanning · 14/10/2021 14:37

@abersterol

I keep thinking maybe I was too full on and too much. Maybe if I’d been more patient or breezy about things, more relaxed and didn’t let it get to me so much. Maybe he just didn’t want to move as fast as I did.
You are still blaming yourself and wondering how your actions. Luke have changed the situation.

He was full of chat not action. Great healthy relationships aren't about words. It's about a foundation of wanting the same things and how both people behave & treat each other. He didn't mean the words he said. His happiness is all he cares about

DFOD · 14/10/2021 14:40

[quote abersterol]@Shuffleuplove I think I knew things weren’t ‘right’ for a while. He was very awkward about things and just made me feel like I was an inconvenience a lot of the time. I’m not sure that was how he actually felt but it was how it seemed.

I just wanted to do nice things together and build a future - the exact things he said he wanted. I feel really perplexed that he would say those things if it’s not how he felt. When I pushed sex and actually doing some nice things (even the theatre was a big deal to him, couldn’t commit to a date for it), he then just retreated entirely from me. Said I always wanted things my way etc.

It’s just so strange that months off 40, apparently keen for a family and settling down, someone would then also actively put that off for another 5 years. It’s not like he was 25. I feel a fool for just letting it play out and not walking away.[/quote]
Clearly family and relationships were not important to him because he didn’t have a functional one with his own parents / siblings or a kind and respectful one with you.

Does he have any friendships? I suspect not.

However don’t waste your headspace trying to understand him - even if you do a deep dive analysis it doesn’t change the outcome relating to your future.

Focusing on his issues and trying to rationalise a dysfunctional relationship is an emotionally avoidant behaviour of looking outwards - look inwards - decide what you want and why when it was obvious it wasn’t on offer you kept flogging a dead horse?

What is your relationship history?

How many LTR have you had and how did they end?

abersterol · 14/10/2021 14:44

@DFOD he does have friendships and they were in contact regularly. Mostly them trying to arrange a call or a meet up. Apparently it was a bit of a long standing joke that he was always unavailable and rarely joined things. He did do things from time to time but not in the same way other men have had friendships that I’ve been with.

I’ve been with one very abusive man. The other two ended for standard reasons really and were nice relationships that I generally have good memories of.

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DFOD · 14/10/2021 14:45

You have been with two abusive men.

ChargingBuck · 14/10/2021 14:45

I think i am making some progress. Even if it’s just a little bit.

You have made stonking progress.
You've seen the reality of this sad man's life, & accepted that there is nothing you can do to persuade him to desire a 'normal' life, with you.

You've taken yourself away, you are dealing with the grief solo, you are engaging in therapy.

Just think how things would be for you in 5 years if you had NOT come so far already. You might still be living that sad half-life with Mr Selfish, but aged 40, & so subsumed to his wishes that you has lost all sight of yourself.

Instead, you're tackling it head on. Of course there will be wobbles, you will feel doubt & sorrow. But it's also your opportunity to rebuild a more meaningful life with authentic people in it, who bring you comfort & warmth, & who have a more stable viewpoint about what constitutes emotional honesty & intimacy.

DFOD · 14/10/2021 14:46

Did he introduce you to his friends?

abersterol · 14/10/2021 14:52

@ChargingBuck I think part of it is also that I’ve never actually met a man of almost 40 wanting to date and saying these things and then not acting on them. I don’t know any men of that age who haven’t wanted to find a loving relationship. I’ve known men divorced by that age and not wanting to stay something again, or men with kids and it’s not worked out with a partner. But nobody who claims to want it all and then cruises along in a lonely way like he does. I didn’t expect it for one second. Especially as I’d been so upfront from day one about wanting something meaningful that would go somewhere and him wholeheartedly agreeing. In fact he even once said to me of course I want this with you, I’ve never had this with anyone so this is a big deal to me Hmm

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ChargingBuck · 14/10/2021 14:54

Aber, when you boil it down, all that has happened here is - you backed a wrong'un. As have so very, very many of us. It hurts, but you have done well to recognise & extricate yourself from a painful situation. xx

Coffeepot72 · 14/10/2021 18:59

Aber, when you boil it down, all that has happened here is - you backed a wrong'un. As have so very, very many of us. It hurts, but you have done well to recognise & extricate yourself from a painful situation

Yes, that’s it in a nutshell

supercali77 · 14/10/2021 19:35

OP. Its not unusual in men in their 40s who are still single particularly those who've had no significant relationships by then. They will say things 'future faking', but their actions don't match. I was with one for 4 months. Same stuff. No relationships. Never lived with anyone. 40 something. Said all the right things. Literally incapable of following through. Personality wise he was great but his character and integrity were rubbish. They are commitment avoidant. They have their reasons, maybe good ones, but they have no right to string people along. As others have said. He was lying. Not a man of his word. You need to take the man in your head you think you love and stop separating that from other part. The part that LIES to you. To keep you around without investing anything. You won't be the first or the last. Trust me on that. The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour and its all there.

supercali77 · 14/10/2021 19:37

a book I was recommended at the time. Mr unavailable and the fallback girl is well worth a read and helped me untangle my self esteem from his shoddy treatment of me.

Timetoretiretospain · 14/10/2021 20:09

35 is not old. I met someone lovely when I was 54. Please don’t settle due to your age. If you continue then I think you need help - couples counselling of some kind . If he won’t agree then leave . Good luck x

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