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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

OP posts:
Buggritbuggrit · 13/10/2021 22:14

I really don’t think getting back out there should be your priority at the moment. You’ve been single for a split second and you’re still hurting. Take a few steps back from all that and do some nice nurturing things to and for yourself.

abersterol · 13/10/2021 22:18

Just because i want to settle down. I decided not to speak on the phone. Definitely not ready for that.

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Glitterybug · 13/10/2021 22:23

What are you going? Just ... Calm down. You don't need to be talking to any men just yet.

anthurium · 13/10/2021 22:30

It'll be difficult for you to hide your baby/marriage mania

Yes, we know you want to settle down and that's fine, but it's not the next man's fault your life hasn't worked out how you'd expected it to for him to be just another in line to fulfil your needs...

Coronawireless · 14/10/2021 09:42

Lots of mums around here who had their babies at 39, 40, 41 and older. You don’t have forever, it’s true, but you do have time. Don’t panic!

Coronawireless · 14/10/2021 09:43

If it’s going nowhere it’s good you’re leaving him now rather than at 39.

ChristmasPlanning · 14/10/2021 11:07

I mean this with kindness OP but I think you need to give yourself time to boost your confidence and decide what you want/need from a relationship before you date again.

abersterol · 14/10/2021 11:20

I just can’t believe we could have spent early every day together, waking up in the same bed, having dinner and going to bed, then he can just forget me like this.

I know that it’s best I don’t speak to him. I know that. The way he has been able to just cut me off hurts like hell. It’s scary that one week he was saying I was the love of his life and the next he can just forget me, no message, nothing. He doesn’t care one jot.

I know nothing good would come from us speaking but it just hits me in the face everyday that that’s how little I meant and how easily he could let me go. I was nothing to him, all this time I valued what we shared and it meant nothing.

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sosickofthisshit · 14/10/2021 11:24

The last thing you need to be doing right now is getting into another relationship. You need some time to work on your self esteem, so that you do not end up in the same situation again.

zonkyzonky · 14/10/2021 11:35

@abersterol

I just can’t believe we could have spent early every day together, waking up in the same bed, having dinner and going to bed, then he can just forget me like this.

I know that it’s best I don’t speak to him. I know that. The way he has been able to just cut me off hurts like hell. It’s scary that one week he was saying I was the love of his life and the next he can just forget me, no message, nothing. He doesn’t care one jot.

I know nothing good would come from us speaking but it just hits me in the face everyday that that’s how little I meant and how easily he could let me go. I was nothing to him, all this time I valued what we shared and it meant nothing.

Most relationships are transactional...and you were only together a year, you need to get a grip now.

If he was infertile would you be so sad over this relationship? I'd assume not...because he wouldn't be if any use to you.

EdgeOfTheSky · 14/10/2021 11:55

OP - look up co-dependency.

And honestly, if you want to pursue a happy and settled partnership, invest in sorting out your needs and boundaries before you dive in again looking to be 'settled'.

todaysdilemma · 14/10/2021 12:11

@abersterol

I just can’t believe we could have spent early every day together, waking up in the same bed, having dinner and going to bed, then he can just forget me like this.

I know that it’s best I don’t speak to him. I know that. The way he has been able to just cut me off hurts like hell. It’s scary that one week he was saying I was the love of his life and the next he can just forget me, no message, nothing. He doesn’t care one jot.

I know nothing good would come from us speaking but it just hits me in the face everyday that that’s how little I meant and how easily he could let me go. I was nothing to him, all this time I valued what we shared and it meant nothing.

Ah OP you know people process sadness differently. When I've been on the other end of a break up and I know it's because we are incompatible and there is no resolution - I go completely no contact. Block delete etc. And probably come across cold and uncaring but it's so far from the truth. I'm deeply sad and grieving and throwing myself into work to not think about it. That's what he's doing.

Tell yourself he is sad but not the sort of person who will allow his emotions to run away with him, show tears/sadness etc. But it doesn't mean you didn't matter or he didn't care. Pragmatically he knows no good will come off it and it's the best thing for you.

I know it's easy to feel like you didn't matter but just because he's not messaging or calling, doesn't mean he isn't still sad. It's your low self esteem that's making you think this way. Just think of it that way, it's all your own narrative.

abersterol · 14/10/2021 12:14

Thanks @todaysdilemma that does help. This one has been hard because he told me nearly every day how much he loved the relationship and us. It feels like the moment I said anything that needed adult discussion he just wanted me as far away as possible. It’s hard to get my head round but hopefully I am making progress. I’m trying anyway.

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Musttryharder2021 · 14/10/2021 12:29

Op, and I'm not trying to be mean, just thinking about what one of the posters said above, if he was found to be infertile/had issues on his side regarding fertility, would you have stuck by him and foregone on having a family? Or would you leave him because of it? Assuming medical assistance was of no help....
You chose to continue with him on the grounds of that he wants (will provide) marriage and children... if these variables can't be (but he was otherwise a loving partner) what choice would you make?

abersterol · 14/10/2021 12:32

@Musttryharder2021 I’d have stayed with him. I want all of that stuff but I did actually love the man. I wanted to make it work with him, which is why I’ve found this so hard and out of the blue that he couldn’t even work though the basic things. It’s hurtful with a background of him saying how great it all was together.

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abersterol · 14/10/2021 13:01

I keep thinking maybe I was too full on and too much. Maybe if I’d been more patient or breezy about things, more relaxed and didn’t let it get to me so much. Maybe he just didn’t want to move as fast as I did.

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RedCarsGoFaster · 14/10/2021 13:07

@Abersterol this really isn't about you. He was not the perfect man, you've never had a proper sexual relationship with him, he has made all sorts of claims about wanting sex, babies and marriage then refused to participate in anything that might coherently lead in that direction.

You could go so far as to see his behaviour for the last year as full of lies and stringing you along to suit him. Because that's what I'm reading.

He's had a year of blow jobs, you cooking nice meals for him, looking after him, listening to his woes, cuddles in bed - and you've had a year of doing everything you can for him.

You are much better off without this guy. He would never have been a good father to any kids you wanted, if you ever had sufficient sex to have them. He was not a partner to you, he was a millstone around your neck.

It's hard to let go, but don't rewrite history and feel like you've done anything wrong here.

abersterol · 14/10/2021 13:15

Thanks @RedCarsGoFaster I just feel sad I had so much hope with him I really did. I loved his company and he would always say he loved mine. I guess now the reality of it all has set in and I’ve not heard from him, I can’t help wondering if I was overbearing and if I had been patient or less cross etc then we could have moved forwards and things may ultimately have progressed. Maybe that’s me in fantasy land again.

I feel very alone today.

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Musttryharder2021 · 14/10/2021 13:25

I think you're trying to rewrite the history here...the facts are you were prepared to forgo your desire to be a parent for someone who didn't seem to care about you in reality. Do you cherish a relationship more over having children? A lot of men in my experience nearing late 30s/40s have said similar but in reality where too stuck in their ways and were really looking for someone to hang out with (had to present marriage/children in order to be taken into consideration for a relationship by the woman).

Be careful Op for not putting yourself first if there is a next time. You may end up seriously regretting it because there will come a time when it's too late to have children, and it might be nearer than you think.

abersterol · 14/10/2021 13:35

I’m aware of that @Musttryharder2021 and that’s why I’m so gutted about this as I thought it was the real deal. I think about these things all the time and they are real fears.

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Babyghirl · 14/10/2021 13:51

@abersterol
But sound like he was stringing you a long, you where there For company and nothing for a relationship purpose.

He wanted a family in 4/5 years when he prop knows a Woman's fertility is not at its best at when you would of been 40.

And not knowing if you would run in to fertility issues, trust me I know fell pregnant at 35 1st time and lost it and went on to have have another 3 losses and no child yet. No woman ever knows if they will go through things like this until it happens.

Please for yourself delet his num and everything else as hard as it will be it will hurt but block him on everything before hand then you won't agonis on wish he would text me, you will be taking that away because you know he can't text you.

You deserve so much better and there is way better out there for you. You count and you matter your not just alive your living and your amazing so go out and live your life and make an amazing one for yourself.

You don't need a Mann child to look after let him look after himself.

Good luck op you got this. 💚

EileenGC · 14/10/2021 13:52

I keep thinking maybe I was too full on and too much. Maybe if I’d been more patient or breezy about things, more relaxed and didn’t let it get to me so much. Maybe he just didn’t want to move as fast as I did.

But you were patient. You were very patient.

He says in 4-5 years' time he might see himself having children.

So what happens when in 2026 he says 'oh sorry, no, I'm not ready yet'. Because he's done that already. 'We'll go away in October'. Yet October is here and he didn't want to go away.

Stop justifying him. You did nothing wrong. You were a bloody saint putting up with all that for a year. It's not your fault his mind isn't made up. There's no time to wait around for years, for these inconsiderate men to make up their minds.

Can you imagine what he'd come up with, if let's say, you did have a child with him, and he/she needed to be picked up from nursery ASAP with a fever, he had to take 2 days off work to watch them whilst sick (yes, kids = days off work), decisions had to be taken about schools, and a long list of etc's? Do you see him ever parenting when he can't book a bloody holiday? With all his indecisiveness?

Musttryharder2021 · 14/10/2021 14:01

[quote Babyghirl]@abersterol
But sound like he was stringing you a long, you where there For company and nothing for a relationship purpose.

He wanted a family in 4/5 years when he prop knows a Woman's fertility is not at its best at when you would of been 40.

And not knowing if you would run in to fertility issues, trust me I know fell pregnant at 35 1st time and lost it and went on to have have another 3 losses and no child yet. No woman ever knows if they will go through things like this until it happens.

Please for yourself delet his num and everything else as hard as it will be it will hurt but block him on everything before hand then you won't agonis on wish he would text me, you will be taking that away because you know he can't text you.

You deserve so much better and there is way better out there for you. You count and you matter your not just alive your living and your amazing so go out and live your life and make an amazing one for yourself.

You don't need a Mann child to look after let him look after himself.

Good luck op you got this. 💚[/quote]
I'm sorry to hear that Op @Babyghirl

I think there is a level of ignorance around infertility amongst the general population, what are female as well as male factors. There is an assumption that women can leave it 'late' and 'men can have children at any age' is simply incorrect. On the forums you'll generally have posters positive outcomes. It's good to hop on to tje infertility board of MN to see the reality. The NHS website is a good source of information/stats. Without trying you don't know where you stand!

ChargingBuck · 14/10/2021 14:02

I can’t help wondering if I was overbearing and if I had been patient or less cross etc then we could have moved forwards
You could have subsumed your entire personality into being more patient & less cross.
And what would you have "won" by contorting yourself to deny your every need & feeling?
The grand prize of being in a LT'R' with a man who wouldn't meet your friends & family, let you meet his, go away with you, have sex, get married, or have children.

Why are you persisting with this falsehood that there is anything you could have done, or not done, to make this man turn into something he is not, or give you anything more than the meagre situationship he was prepared to offer you?
He's 40 FFS. he's never had a proper relationship. He never is going to have one. With anyone! - it's not to do with you, or who you are, or what you do or did.

that’s why I’m so gutted about this as I thought it was the real deal
Come on now Aber.
You never thought that. You just hoped that if you squashed yourself enough, tiptoed round your own needs enough, pandered enough to this strange man, he might miraculously turn into the real deal.

How could you have thought it was real?
Resistance to anything you wanted, everything on his terms, no meeting of friends & family, no going away together, no sex, & no future plans that weren't manipulative future faking bullshit?
You know all this. You knew it wasn't real, that's why it made you so unhappy.

You are just torturing yourself now.
Maybe that’s me in fantasy land again.
The very best you can do for yourself right now, & over the next year or so, is start building a relationship with yourself & your own reality.
That is what your therapy is for!

A man is not going to replace your missing self-esteem.
Only you can do that, with help, & focus entirely on you & how to build the kind of resilience that allows you to set boundaries & hold reasonable expectations of other people - & walk away if they are not met.

DFOD · 14/10/2021 14:03

@abersterol

I just can’t believe we could have spent early every day together, waking up in the same bed, having dinner and going to bed, then he can just forget me like this.

I know that it’s best I don’t speak to him. I know that. The way he has been able to just cut me off hurts like hell. It’s scary that one week he was saying I was the love of his life and the next he can just forget me, no message, nothing. He doesn’t care one jot.

I know nothing good would come from us speaking but it just hits me in the face everyday that that’s how little I meant and how easily he could let me go. I was nothing to him, all this time I valued what we shared and it meant nothing.

This isn’t consistent with you saying that he could only slot you in on a Sunday evening?

What was the reality and what is the fantasy? Were you living together 24/7 or were you compartmentalised in his life?

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