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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

OP posts:
Scrollonthroughtherain · 12/10/2021 16:10

What's the situation now I've lost track ... Have you broken up with him?

Onthedunes · 12/10/2021 17:37

Op I think you are tying yourself in knots trying to understand the situation.

Ok, I mean no harm by this but what if he actually is not attracted to you, physically?
I know you have stated the personals of him receiving oral etc but many men can do this without attraction.

Maybe he does have mental health problems and that is his the reason for his odd behaviour.

I've always found the simplest answer is the right one. A pp stated that at this early stage you should be ripping one anothers clothes off.

I agree.
The sex issue is where the answer lies, whether he's married, still in love with someone else, or his thinking is fixed and has sexual problems related to his mental health, maybe it's just lack of attraction for him.

Find someone who want's to be intimate with you, there are so many men who want that, why settle for a man that doesn't, can't or won't.

momtoboys · 12/10/2021 18:23

I am as old as dirt but at one time I desperately loved a man who promised me the world. There are so many stories I could tell you but I will tell you about the trip. He had invited me to go on a beautiful tropical trip with his extended family (mother/brothers and their families). I was over the moon. After we had spent months planning and talking about the trip and the things we would do when we were away - three days before our departure (mind you I had arranged the time off from work, found someone to take care of my dogs, bought and packed new clothes, bought and wrapped small gifts for his nieces and nephews) I asked what time we needed to be at the airport and he told me that I wouldn't be going and he would be traveling alone. This revelation led to an argument. Somehow he convinced me that I had behaved "poorly" when he finally told me that only he would be going and I wouldn't. The next day he left on a quick business trip without speaking to me. I was desperate. I called every hotel in the city where he was in order to talk to him and try to get him to forgive my behavior. I'd like to tell you that I came to my senses and broke it off but that was not the case. It was several more months of letting him walk all over me and gaslight me until he finally went on another trip without me later that year. He sent me a letter/post/call everyday he was gone telling me how much he loved me and how happy he was with me and he couldn't wait to see me when he returned the next week. The date of his return came and went. He came back home and never contacted me again.

The point of this post is to tell OP that I completely know how you feel. That desperation. Even after all these years it makes my stomach hurt to think about what you are going through. I was just about your age too. After that ended I quickly met my DH. He is everything that previous chap was not. We've been married 24 years in December and have 5 incredible sons. I fear that if he hadn't finally (cruelly) pulled the plug I would still be begging for the scraps he gave me. Please don't do that to yourself. You deserve so much better.

Coffeepot72 · 12/10/2021 18:55

@momtoboys that’s quite a horror story! Thank god you had a happy ending

Amiwronghere · 12/10/2021 23:45

You won’t get what you need from this one,
Op

DFOD · 13/10/2021 08:09

Every day you are ruminating and trying to reconcile the fantasy YOU invented for a whole year ….is even more days / weeks / months YOU are wasting of you precious and finite fertile years in which you could have your fairy tale with someone else.

It’s time to focus on YOU and what allowed YOU to waste a whole year with someone who didn’t show any action to what you wanted and needed within the first few weeks / max 2 months.

What is your relationship history? Has this happened to you before? Is this a pattern on a one off?

abersterol · 13/10/2021 08:28

The silence from him is really painful. Like rejection over and over. I can’t get my head around someone saying one week how much they loved me and wanting a future…to this. I’ve basically pushed him away in recent as I’ve become more upset about sex and going on a trip and wanting him to meet my family etc.

In our last conversation where i was clear I couldn’t carry on when he doesn’t recognise these things are just part of a relationship, he said he was ‘juggling’ me, his family and work and no longer finding enjoyment in these things like he used to. So I guess he’s chopped me out and now feels great again. It hurts a lot.

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abersterol · 13/10/2021 08:38

@DFOD that’s the thing though, I DID express what I wanted in the first few weeks/months and he echoed the same back to me. He said he wanted those things too. It was a few months later he randomly said in the car that settling down for him would be 5 years away when he was 44/45. I did question it and he said he would consider shorter timeframe but that was how he saw things going. I guess I hoped he’d see how silly that was when he was telling me I was the love of his life.

Past relationships haven’t been like this, no. They’ve not all been great but I’ve never felt like someone wasn’t committed in the way I felt with this man. Even my relationship at 20 felt more secure and mature and I felt let in to their life.

I think at a few months off 40 I thought this man was a safe bet in terms of being serious about settling down. So when he said he loved me and wanted these things with me I thought it would be simple. I didn’t envisage him being distant and difficult about something like sex or one day of annual leave together. He often said ‘thanks for putting up with me, I know I’m difficult.’ It’s like on one level he knew he had issues but when they were exposed he didn’t want to do anything about it. I did get cross eventually but equally I spent a LOT of time being patient and understanding and caring and positive/happy. I just feel he trampled all over my heart and now he’s probably relieved he doesn’t have to even consider me at all and can get back to his work and family without the apparent stress I caused.

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Karwomannghia · 13/10/2021 08:49

I’m sure he doesn’t feel great. He’s probably relieved he doesn’t have to push himself yes but he’s also probably upset he couldn’t. You could have him back tomorrow if you were willing to put yourself in the small box he’d rather keep you in that he can open once a week. But you’re not and rightly so. You’ve rejected him because he hasn’t followed through with empty gestures, own your decision.

DFOD · 13/10/2021 09:14

[quote abersterol]@DFOD that’s the thing though, I DID express what I wanted in the first few weeks/months and he echoed the same back to me. He said he wanted those things too. It was a few months later he randomly said in the car that settling down for him would be 5 years away when he was 44/45. I did question it and he said he would consider shorter timeframe but that was how he saw things going. I guess I hoped he’d see how silly that was when he was telling me I was the love of his life.

Past relationships haven’t been like this, no. They’ve not all been great but I’ve never felt like someone wasn’t committed in the way I felt with this man. Even my relationship at 20 felt more secure and mature and I felt let in to their life.

I think at a few months off 40 I thought this man was a safe bet in terms of being serious about settling down. So when he said he loved me and wanted these things with me I thought it would be simple. I didn’t envisage him being distant and difficult about something like sex or one day of annual leave together. He often said ‘thanks for putting up with me, I know I’m difficult.’ It’s like on one level he knew he had issues but when they were exposed he didn’t want to do anything about it. I did get cross eventually but equally I spent a LOT of time being patient and understanding and caring and positive/happy. I just feel he trampled all over my heart and now he’s probably relieved he doesn’t have to even consider me at all and can get back to his work and family without the apparent stress I caused.[/quote]
The sex should have been sorted in the first few weeks.

Salayes · 13/10/2021 09:32

It’s very easy for people with no emotional investment to see the right course of action here which is to stop ruminating and to accept the only thing you did ‘wrong’ was to hang on to a fantasy way past the time it was clear he was blowing smoke up your ass and had no intention of following through on the things that were important to you.

It’s harder to put that advice into practice when your emotions are all over the place and all your fears are going off. Thing is though, accepting scraps and putting up with shit from people is never going to ‘earn’ you the relationship you want - because it’ll only attract the types of men who only have scraps to offer.

I think if you want to keep going over and over it here then do it, but understand that what’s happening is you’re trying to soothe your pain by coming up with ever more intricate ways you can make it your fault. Why? Because if it’s your fault and you ‘only asked for’ (insert the reasonable requests) then you can potentially fix it and get what you want. But you can’t, because he’s not capable of giving it to you, he doesn’t want to, it’s not who he is.

If you can try and realise that as you play out the different scenarios you stand a better chance of ending this painful cycle of rumination so you can move on to better things. Flowers

Tistheseason17 · 13/10/2021 09:34

OP, I'm sorry you are feeling so sad.
Keep working on yourself- perhaps your therapist could recommend some books you can read during the week between appointments.

Your relationship with him was never a good relationship and you knew it or you would not have asked on MN. It's just that you think you are only worth something if you have a partner-this is not correct. You can be happy alone.

Agapornis · 13/10/2021 09:40

I have a hunch that this guy goes down on you, but doesn't actually bother to get you off...?

mae2014 · 13/10/2021 09:51

Keep riding these emotions out. He sounds like he needs to grow up - women get upset first but i promise it wont be long till he feels the void.

You've done and wanted what every other woman would want.

Regardless, its so important you set boundaries at the beginning so he knows you wont take shit. Even though you dont feel like it, fake it till you make it.

None of this is your fault and im pretty sure he knows this too.

Keep on going and just take baby steps xxx

Tempusfudgeit · 13/10/2021 09:56

OP - don't 'blame' yourself, congratulate yourself for having the strength to say 'This isn't what I want.'

ChargingBuck · 13/10/2021 10:23

He often said ‘thanks for putting up with me, I know I’m difficult.’ It’s like on one level he knew he had issues but when they were exposed he didn’t want to do anything about it.

& there's your entire 'situationship' in a nutshell.

You are grieving something that didn't exist.
And that's ok - that's normal, we all need to mourn when we finally accept that the person we'd pinned our dreams on is not at all the person we thought, or they said, they were.

Take your time to grieve for the hopes you had of this man, but please accept they were never grounded in reality. He was never going to give you - or any other woman - what he is not capable of giving.

todaysdilemma · 13/10/2021 10:42

@Karwomannghia

I’m sure he doesn’t feel great. He’s probably relieved he doesn’t have to push himself yes but he’s also probably upset he couldn’t. You could have him back tomorrow if you were willing to put yourself in the small box he’d rather keep you in that he can open once a week. But you’re not and rightly so. You’ve rejected him because he hasn’t followed through with empty gestures, own your decision.
This is spot on. Of course he'll miss you. He wasn't a complete monster who just didn't care. But he will likely feel relief that he isn't having to compromise anymore and life will be less stressful (if more lonely for him). And that is only because he has made his peace that a relationship is likely not on the cards for him, given his issues.

And the anger is that for a year he thought you were ok with him exactly as he is, and has realised that like every other woman you rightfully want more. He's just too self absorbed to think about you at this time- for 40 years he's only had to think of himself so obviously your hurt and pain are not forefront of his mind.

He will be sad in his own way. It's just not enough to completely have a personality transplant and become a good partner.

abersterol · 13/10/2021 11:02

@ChargingBuck @todaysdilemma @Tempusfudgeit @mae2014 I think it’s partly the shock of having thought he was on the same page wanting a marriage a family a home, all this time I’ve treated him like a serious partner, listened endlessly to his work worries, family worries, his hopes for his career and his day to day things. I thought he saw this the same way - that we were building a partnership. He would come out with comments like ‘communication is so important in a relationship’ and things like this, yet when it came to it, it was like walking through treacle to get him to even open up properly.

I just need to talk it out to feel heard I think and to know I’m not being unreasonable. I can’t seem to calibrate that on my own. It must seem like I’m going round in circles but I’m actually trying to iron out all my second guessing.

I really really thought he loved me. I really believed that. In a very naive way I think I thought he must be even more serious about me because he hasn’t been in a real relationship before. I thought we were right for each other and he just needed time to get used to a serious relationship, but I always believed that’s what he wanted.

How he can just cut me off - probably feeling great he no longer has to ‘juggle’ things, is the most painful bit. I’m gone and he clearly feels better for it.

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Cookiedough123 · 13/10/2021 11:03

You poor thing. I've just read all your posts. Your first sentence in your first post though said you were ready to settle down and have a family. This man is not going to give you a family. He will string you along until it is too late. You really need to try and stay strong and go no contact with him to help you heal faster. Staying in touch will just hurt you even more. The hardest thing I ever went through was a relationship break up after 4 years and it was heartbreaking, but I came through the other side and now I'm happy and ready to start a family with my partner. Put YOU first OP. As that is what he is doing. He clearly has been like this for 40 years and he isn't going to change now.

abersterol · 13/10/2021 11:14

@Cookiedough123 thanks for being kind. I know I’ve posted a lot and probably peed a lot of people off in the process! I think I should have been clear when he came out with his ‘I won’t settle down for 4/5 years’ that actually, I didn’t want to actively PLAN to do that with a man approaching 45. Obviously it’s different if you’re older when you meet, but I did think at the time it was such a strange thing to say for a man of almost 40, claiming marriage and kids is so important. I should have just said that doesn’t work for me and at this age I am looking for someone who what’s to prioritise that with me.

It’s so hard to explain the dynamic on here but we got on so well. I did love him. I just couldn’t understand why these basic, fundamental things in a relationship were so impossible for him to action. You’d think I’d said I wanted to get engaged in a month or wanted to move in next week or relocate together. I just wanted to be close with him and share some nice times, once every few months, to build the relationship. It makes my head spin that he could tell me he loved me and he wanted all this but then didn’t do it. I don’t think he was a narcissist or a nasty man but I am starting to think he was incredibly self centred and didn’t even see it. The last few weeks he said I was very controlling and wanted things my way. That hurt as I couldn’t be more accommodating to him. I simply raised things that were important in any relationship and he seemed to hate me/us for that.

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CrumpetStrumpet · 13/10/2021 12:07

They were impossible to action because its not really what he wants. He's too much of a shit to say that though because he wanted to keep you hanging on.

He doesn't want marriage and children, he doesn't want to have sex, he doesn't want you to meet his family.

You are being too charitable about him. A nice man doesn't future fake with a woman and then tell her she's unreasonable when she brings up her perfectly valid complaints. He's ignoring you now because he knows it's reached the point where he can't continue to get away with his bullshit. It's easier to put to put blame on you than confront his own shitty behaviour.

He's treated you terribly op. This is not a good man. I know it's agony to accept. I've been there myself. My ex husband walked out when our twins were 16 months old because it was too hard for himConfused These men just don't think and feel as we do. There's something missing in their souls and we'll be fix it. They are to blame, not usFlowers

CrumpetStrumpet · 13/10/2021 12:08

Something missing in their souls and we cannot fix it...

CrumpetStrumpet · 13/10/2021 12:09

Every second you waste on this man takes you further away from potentially meeting a man who does want what you want. Don't waste your one short life on this unsuitable man.

abersterol · 13/10/2021 12:22

@CrumpetStrumpet that’s awful I’m so sorry. Flowers thanks for your kind words. I do wonder how long he would have spun out the line that of COURSE he wanted sex and of COURSE he wanted a future…and just not acting on any of it. I even said to him, many times, if you simply don’t want sex then please just say because I don’t want to continue something that won’t work for me in the long run. I was nice about it. He assured me that of course he wanted that. But work was busy, he wanted it to be special, he was tired, he didn’t want to rush it, the list was endless. I just accepted it in good faith and gave it time like he asked. I’ve been totally transparent and caring about it all. Same with wanting to have a weekend away.

The way he’s just so easily cut me off says it all really. He was detached the whole time wasn’t he. I feel like such a fucking mug.

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Coffeepot72 · 13/10/2021 12:22

Every second you waste on this man takes you further away from potentially meeting a man who does want what you want. Don't waste your one short life on this unsuitable man.

Yes!