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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

OP posts:
Iwouldlikesomecake · 10/10/2021 16:49

OP I went out with a guy like this and his behaviour is very unfair to you. He isn’t behaving like a partner and it is cruel to string you along and then turn the tables saying it’s YOU who’s weird and cruel.

If you are in an adult relationship where both of you have expressed that you are not asexual it is not normal to say in the first throes of the relationship (the bit where you fancy each other most!) that you don’t want sex. Keeping you totally separate is also weird and not a nice thing to do unless there’s a proper reason but that hinges on the honesty of it.

You are looking for him to not be ‘hurt’ by you so you can walk away a) without feeling guilty but also b) you want him to be upset when you walk because you know he’s not treated you properly. You might not get either of these things but you are not the bad person if you leave and also what he thinks doesn’t really matter- it’s not normal to ‘not care’ about your partner of a year breaking up with you and if you feel like that then you probably shouldn’t be together anyway! Good luck x

Shuffleuplove · 10/10/2021 16:51

In my experience of married men who shag about, they’d shag a hole in a piece of wood, not go on a ridiculous go-slow.

This one is just odd.

TwinsandTrifle · 10/10/2021 16:59

@ChargingBuck

I'm not projecting because of my friend's experience. I think that because of what OP has said.

& as OP has come back several times to state that she categorically knows he is not married, & one final time to say it's starting to become irritating hearing this opinion, the least you could do is respect that, & stop undermining her by defending your pet
theory.

True. But the numbers of posters saying this (including myself) aren't incapable of reading what OP is saying. We can, and from what she says and the reasons she gives as to why he can't be, we think he definitely is. Perhaps it's "married" that's being too hung upon. It's the fact he's got a double life, with another partner, very possibly not married, but that's what everything points too.

The messages? The bloke with my friend had a dual SIM phone. He had one number set to the first woman and all his friends and family. And the other set to my friend. So whilst OP is categoric that it's not the case, it's only not the case because of what he's told her and what he chooses to show her. My friend also categorically knew there was no one else involved. It was like he orchestrated "proof" in advance to ensure she thought that. She got pretty shitty with us when we questioned if he was seeing someone else. And when she showed us the "proof" that he couldn't possibly be, we all shrugged and said, it makes no sense, it all adds up to this. He was just a clever manipulator.

I'm not being rude and dismissive about your "theory" please afford the same courtesy, as many of us think this is quite apparent. I don't think he's just an oddball. I've got several words for him though.

OP you're going to be infinitely better with him gone. The one thing you can be sure of though, is that it's absolutely him, and not you xx

ChargingBuck · 10/10/2021 17:04

@TwinsandTrifle the OP has asked that PP stop banging on about the Married Theory, so pardon me when I don't respond to you any further.

abersterol · 10/10/2021 17:05

I’ve arrived. Feeling a bit strange, not really sure what to do. Questioning myself about the relationship but equally I am hoping I will start to accept that however nice he has been, this is not an adult functioning relationship with a future. It’s hard to cling on to that when you feel very alone though. Can’t really believe I’ve made it here to be honest. Not sure what made me do it, probably a lot of it was this thread.

OP posts:
abersterol · 10/10/2021 17:06

@ChargingBuck thanks for the support. I can totally see how it looks like the hallmarks of him having an affair and it was something I thought of myself a while ago. But I know 99.999999% that it isn’t that. Which just makes me have lots more questions sadly. Wish it could have just been a standard relationship.

OP posts:
aSofaNearYou · 10/10/2021 17:07

I totally agree with you @Twinsandtrifle

I'm sorry if the double life theory is annoying you OP, but you have put forward a LOT of information that adds up to that, and hardly anything that suggests otherwise. An in fairness, people have offered a lot of support to you on this thread. The fact that a few have pointed out an actually very, very likely possibility based on the information you've presented, to try and help you, doesn't really seem like cause for irritation.

TheChip · 10/10/2021 17:07

@abersterol that's the thing, you can do whatever the fuck you want, and you won't get shit from anybody with whatever you decide!

ChargingBuck · 10/10/2021 17:08

Glad you've arrived after your mammoth drive OP.

It's ok to feel strange, it's ok to be questioning yourself, & it's ok to be feeling alone.

Just bear in mind that there is nothing lonelier than being in the wrong relationship, & allow yourself to emotionally seesaw for a bit. It's entirely natural, & won't last forever.

A change of scene is just what you need. I hope you can get plenty of sleep, fresh air, & nourishing food xx

FlowerArranger · 10/10/2021 17:43

@abersterol

I’ve arrived. Feeling a bit strange, not really sure what to do. Questioning myself about the relationship but equally I am hoping I will start to accept that however nice he has been, this is not an adult functioning relationship with a future. It’s hard to cling on to that when you feel very alone though. Can’t really believe I’ve made it here to be honest. Not sure what made me do it, probably a lot of it was this thread.
I'm glad you managed to get away. I think the solitude will be good for you. As a PP suggested...: Look at 'aloneness' as if it's a muscle. Like any other muscle, you need to train it if you want more strength & flexibility with it.

Being in a soothing place and removed from your everyday concerns, not to mention your abusive non-partner, will hopefully be the start of your healing process.

Can you stop wondering why he is the way he is and why he does what he does? It just doesn't matter. What matters is that he is not only making you deeply unhappy - he is slowly but surely destroying you.

If you're at the beach, start collecting shells, interesting bits of wood, beautiful rocks and stones. Before you know it you'll have a beautiful collage!

There's so much out there for you to enjoy - can you grab life with both hands and embrace it? Without spending another hour on this deeply unpleasant man.

Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? (Mary Oliver)

abersterol · 10/10/2021 18:38

Thanks @FlowerArranger the difficulty I seem to face is second guessing myself. Isn’t it a bit low of me to want to end something over sex or a trip? We did have happy times, I just let these things take over. I over think all the time so I knew this would happen.

OP posts:
TheChip · 10/10/2021 18:40

Its not over sex and a trip though. Its the fact that this man is clearly not on the same page as you. He doesn't want the same life as you right now.
Its not low to find someone you're compatible with. He is not that person.

ChargingBuck · 10/10/2021 18:46

Isn’t it a bit low of me to want to end something over sex or a trip?

Yeah, you are definitely overthinking this :)

You can end a relationship over sex, a trip, his liking of football, or the fact that you despise his new shoes.

There is no Breakup Court. You don't need to enter a plea!
Please don't labour under the illusion that you owe this man anything.
You dated him for a year, the relationship was never satisfactory, & he actively makes you unhappy.

Time to direct all that marvellous thinking power away from him, & completely onto yourself.

abersterol · 10/10/2021 19:48

Would you end things over this stuff? @TheChip and @ChargingBuck ? I worry I am being hot headed or unreasonable or unfair.

I sent him a message earlier just saying I was going to be away and explaining that I found it hard to understand what he means when he says one thing then acts in a different way. I said I hoped we could have worked on it. He just replied saying thanks for the message and have I had a good day. He just doesn’t seem to get how communication or a relationship works, or perhaps doesn’t want it to work.

OP posts:
TheChip · 10/10/2021 19:54

Without a doubt I'd be ending it if I was in your shoes, OP.

Youre getting absolutely nothing out of this relationship. Not even the company you want as he makes that difficult too now.

There is absolutely nothing unreasonable about what you want. Its just not compatible with what he wants.

Even when you're text message is saying clearly that you are struggling to understand things, he has just completely dismissed you. Intentional or not, it's not good is it?
So you don't even get communication out of him.

ExcitedtoTry · 10/10/2021 19:57

I don’t see what you’re getting out of this relationship. He sounds like a child.

Are you frightened of being alone or ending it or a bit of both? All totally understandable emotionally but illogical practically.

Onthedunes · 10/10/2021 20:14

What does he want, definitely not a relationship, definitely not sex, what the hell is he getting from this.

Some nice dinners, an ear to listen to his work problems.
You are a filler in his life while he waits for something.

Maybe you are his mother.

Kevinbaconsrealwife · 10/10/2021 21:06

My love, there is an old saying “ you can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear”…. This is so very true in the case of you and him….if he wanted sex with you, he would…if he wanted a weekend away with you, he would…there’s absolutely nothing wrong with you…but there is something seriously amiss with him…..Him , not you….don’t waste any more of your valuable time and life on a total headfuck like him….good luck OP xx

ChargingBuck · 10/10/2021 21:10

Would you end things over this stuff? @TheChip and @ChargingBuck ? I worry I am being hot headed or unreasonable or unfair.

Yes, my dear.

You cannot be unhappier alone than you are with this man.

I know that's hard for you to believe right now .. but the relief, freedom & joy of not being dragged down by cruel men is ... indescribably lightening.

And what's all this about unreasonable & unfair?
How about how unreasonable & unfair this man is to you, all the time?
How come that doesn't count, but your need to not be gaslit, toyed with, & used as an emotional punchbag is set aside as unimportant?

abersterol · 10/10/2021 21:21

@ChargingBuck because he can be really really lovely too. Like when I was unwell in summer. He’s been amazing in lots of ways. I hate that I’m remembering all those times. I really thought I’d met the right person. Never saw these issues coming at all.

OP posts:
Shuffleuplove · 10/10/2021 21:23

Fucks sake. You want to get married and have kids and holidays right? Well dumping this dickhead gets you a whole lot closer in one swift move.

anthurium · 10/10/2021 21:35

Op is still not letting go...
So so so many posters had contributed with really useful advice/anecdotal stories/personal insights....

It's getting tedious now....she almost wants someone to agree with her?

anthurium · 10/10/2021 21:38

@ExcitedtoTry

I don’t see what you’re getting out of this relationship. He sounds like a child.

Are you frightened of being alone or ending it or a bit of both? All totally understandable emotionally but illogical practically.

@ExcitedtoTry

Yes, she's 35 and terrified of the lonely winter nights ahead, coming home to an empty house, cooking alone, missing out on motherhood/marriage (potentially).

She's hoped for the 'happily ever after' and now is distraught...

I think deep down she'd like this thread to end with 'reader, I married him' and you were all wrong!

TwinsandTrifle · 10/10/2021 21:43

[quote abersterol]@ChargingBuck because he can be really really lovely too. Like when I was unwell in summer. He’s been amazing in lots of ways. I hate that I’m remembering all those times. I really thought I’d met the right person. Never saw these issues coming at all.[/quote]
OP you are still in the phase of defending him and putting him on a pedestal. Step back. You've described your current state as "mental torture." You're still beating yourself up for his behaviour. Because he's made you think it's your "over reacting".

Please understand the illogical way you are second guessing and punishing yourself is the effect of the damage he's caused to you already. Do not allow him to damage any more.

BiLuminous · 10/10/2021 23:15

Most blokes who are no good are nice to you at some point or else you wouldn't like them at all/in the first place.

His pulling you in/pushing you away is a technique of control and is why you can't let go. Trust me, I've been there. It took me over 2 years to see the light with one of these dickheads. He was breadcrumbing me- doing the bare minimum to look interested but he wasn't.

MEN WHO ARE INTERESTED DONT ACT LIKE THIS.

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