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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

OP posts:
aSofaNearYou · 10/10/2021 09:48

Setting that aside though, I am similar to you OP and struggle to end things no matter how badly they treat me and how much it's obviously doomed. You just need to rip the band aid off, it's only hard now because you are still in the thick of it. You are essentially really slowly peeling off the plaster, torturing yourself. Just rip it.

abersterol · 10/10/2021 10:11

He’s not married. I understand why it’s being suggested and I understand that it’s always possible even when you think it can’t be, but he’s not. He’s not married or involved or connected with anyone else. If he was this would actually be a lot lot easier for me.

OP posts:
CallMeNutribullet · 10/10/2021 10:21

Op you really need to pick your standards up off the floor. Any man isn't better than no man.

aSofaNearYou · 10/10/2021 10:40

@abersterol

He’s not married. I understand why it’s being suggested and I understand that it’s always possible even when you think it can’t be, but he’s not. He’s not married or involved or connected with anyone else. If he was this would actually be a lot lot easier for me.
You keep saying this but haven't put forth any reason why it isn't possible.
Clymene · 10/10/2021 10:49

As I said at the start of this thread, the reasons why he's treating you like crap are immaterial. The only thing that matter is that he is treating you like crap. He's making you feel insecure and unhappy and crammed into the spare corners in his life.

You've only been with him for a year, you don't know any of his friends, you've barely had sex and you've never spent any substantial time together.

Why are you acting like the end of this relationship will be like throwing away some great enmeshed romance? Are you truly that afraid of watching telly on your own? Confused

Clymene · 10/10/2021 10:52

I don't think you're in love with him, I think you're in love with the idea of being in a relationship. That other people will judge you for being mid -30s and single.

troobleflooble · 10/10/2021 10:55

I was in a sort of similar position in my last relationship OP.

We would spend lovely days and intimate moments together doing things. Apparently had very similar goals and dreams for the future. Promised me the earth (one day).

Then he started disappearing for days, sometimes weeks on end. Messages would go unread or ignored. When he was actually with me he was lovely but when I wasn't it was like I ceased to exist.

He claimed to really fancy me and wanted to have sex and yet when I tried would often brush me off, make excuses or would try but give up pretty quickly. He had ED and would sometimes be fine with foreplay but 'lose it' when we started actual sex. No problems wanking and he was a young guy (late 20's) with no obvious health issues that might cause it. I was very confused because his words said one thing but his actions said the opposite.

He refused to go to the doctor for medication or treatment/investigations and instead gave me the choice of buying him the pills online (he had no job and no money) or just accepting no sex. To my eternal shame, I caved. I was just so desperate for a proper relationship I thought it would help.

Turns out in his case it was guilt because he was actually fucking his ex for our whole 'relationship'! I'm not suggesting this is what's happening in your case but either way your needs aren't being fulfilled.

I didn't actually find this out until after I'd already dumped him because I finally got to the point where I'd realised that enough was enough and I shouldn't have to beg for someone's time or attention or indeed intimacy. Regardless of the reason, it wasn't working for me because he wouldn't or couldn't give me what I needed and that was reason enough to end it.

I wish I'd been stronger earlier, I'm not saying that every guy with ED etc is a cheater but in my case I was also extremely patient and kind to him because I kept hoping that it would get better and we would eventually have the relationship I wanted. Life is too short for that, it should just be good right away! Especially in the early days - no one should have to 'invest' in a relationship in the hope it eventually becomes good. I wish I hadn't ignored my gut for so long as it would have saved me a lot of pain.

Good luck OP x

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 10/10/2021 12:28

@abersterol

He’s not married. I understand why it’s being suggested and I understand that it’s always possible even when you think it can’t be, but he’s not. He’s not married or involved or connected with anyone else. If he was this would actually be a lot lot easier for me.
Yes it would be. But if he is not married, then why is he putting you through this? What is his reason for carrying out this faux relationship and "punishing" you for asking questions after months of being very patient and understanding? He appears to be acting the role of being in a relationship, but carefully holding himself aloof from any of the real components of that. He won't discuss it or offer any real explanation, just acts out in cold anger if you don't agree to keep the status quo as it is. Yet you are the one who feels guilty for raising the issue, and are telling yourself off for approaching it in the wrong way, as if you can find the magic path through this if only you try hard enough. You can't because he is determined not to let you. He is being really cruel. He's conditioned you to keep putting up with this or risk... what.. the end of the relationship ... You don't have to put up with this. You really don't. You can be free of this and live your life the way you want. As pp have said it really doesn't matter the reason why he's treating you like crap. All that matters is that he is. Please don't think I am telling you off, the harsh tone is reserved for him alone. Its sometimes very very difficult to see your way through a situation like this when you are in the depths of it. But there isn't anyone on this thread saying "He's a prince, hang on to him" or condoning his behaviour towards you.
TwinsandTrifle · 10/10/2021 13:05

@abersterol

He’s not married. I understand why it’s being suggested and I understand that it’s always possible even when you think it can’t be, but he’s not. He’s not married or involved or connected with anyone else. If he was this would actually be a lot lot easier for me.
OP. He's got a long term partner. Married or not.

The more you reveal, the more it becomes so obvious. I know you think this can't be possible. But only you think this because the person playing you is very clever. You think this because you can't imagine someone could be this horrible, especially not someone telling you that you're the "love of his life."

My friends ex, bought a storage unit. He would completely change his flat around every three weeks, moving her stuff into it when she returned from work, then when she left (she worked away) he moved her stuff into this storage unit, and some other woman's stuff into his flat. My friend had no idea. Because no one would behave like that in real life right?! She found out 18mths later. She's a law firm partner, clever, astute, far from a silly fool who couldn't see what was in front of her. 18mths he duped her. Ever awaiting her proposal that was promised.

Don't underestimate how many women this happens too. He's the first one of "these" you've encountered, which is why you're defending the position as if it couldn't possibly be, and I'm sorry you have, because it will be difficult not to be suspicious of future partners now, when you realise just what some are capable of.

Please take your time to process this. You don't need answers (gaslighting and more lies) from him, you know what he is. Block his number and keep him well away from you before he can cause any more damage.

You've got this Flowers

abersterol · 10/10/2021 13:10

It’s getting tiring hearing he’s married etc. I’ve spent literally weeks at a time with him. His messages come through on an iPad I use. He’s not involved with anyone. I may sound pathetic here but I’m not stupid, I know how women can be duped like that but this really really really isn’t what is going on.

This is what makes my mind boggle really. I can’t understand it. I’ve also wondered if he’s gay but again doesn’t seem to be that either. I’ve had enough of guessing.

I’ve started going to the beach house. It’s feeling a bit lonely already.

OP posts:
Shuffleuplove · 10/10/2021 13:31

I don’t think he’s married. I think he’s really really odd. He can’t “do” relationships, nor can he even own that fact. So the chances of him having enough guile to have a second woman somewhere, are slim to none.

TheChip · 10/10/2021 13:36

I hope you enjoy the beach house, OP. Grab a book and a glass of wine or a cuppa and embrace the silence. It can't be worse than the atmosphere you feel when around him.

ChargingBuck · 10/10/2021 13:36

@TwinsandTrifle you are projecting, due to the bizarre experience your friend had.

OP has repeatedly mentioned that this man's romantic relationships have been scant, & short lived. Frankly, he sounds so socially awkward it's far more like he's a committed singleton than secretly married.

He doesn't actually want to be in relationship, but I suspect he enjoys the social kudos of being seen to be part of one.
He probably enjoys OP's company - on his own terms - but he won't allow her to get any closer than she currently is, & can only cope with her presence in a very limited & controlled way.
He punishes her for asking for affection, or days out, or normal interaction with each other's friends & family.

He's not married, or hiding a secret partner. He's just an oddball, & the sooner OP accepts that, the sooner she'll be free of his nasty & manipulative influence on her life.

ChargingBuck · 10/10/2021 13:42

Ha, just seen the beach house update Aber :)

Yes, you will feel lonely from time to time.
Eventually, you will be able to exchange 'lonely' for 'comfortable with periods of solitude'.
Look at 'aloneness' as if it's a muscle. Like any other muscle, you need to train it if you want more strength & flexibility with it.

Enjoy the beach house, & take time to appreciate how lovely it feels not to be fending off feelings of being gaslit, future faked & played mindgames with. Not having to walk on eggshells, & not having to second-guess somebody else's unreasonable reactions to normal requests. Peace!

Shuffleuplove · 10/10/2021 13:43

Agree with everything ChargingBuck said.

Some men, contrary to stereotypes, can take or leave sex. I had an ex like this. He had aspergers.

anthurium · 10/10/2021 13:47

@abersterol

It’s getting tiring hearing he’s married etc. I’ve spent literally weeks at a time with him. His messages come through on an iPad I use. He’s not involved with anyone. I may sound pathetic here but I’m not stupid, I know how women can be duped like that but this really really really isn’t what is going on.

This is what makes my mind boggle really. I can’t understand it. I’ve also wondered if he’s gay but again doesn’t seem to be that either. I’ve had enough of guessing.

I’ve started going to the beach house. It’s feeling a bit lonely already.

Good to hear you've taken action:started therapy and had a change of scenery! Are you still in communication with your (ex) partner?
Peridot1 · 10/10/2021 13:48

I agree his issues done have to mean he is married. Or gay. He could be asexual. It doesn’t really matter.

What matters is that he is incapable of sustaining a relationship. And this is meant to be the honeymoon period!

It’s hard facing the fact that this relationship isn’t working. But hanging on it it will means you are less likely to meet anyone else.

Enjoy the beach house. Embrace the time to wallow a little (that’s only human). And look to the future. You are only 34. Plan some nice things for YOU.

Take it from me it is as possible to be achingly lonely in a relationship as out of one.

Shuffleuplove · 10/10/2021 13:57

Take it from me it is as possible to be achingly lonely in a relationship as out of one.

Totally.

lordofthethighs · 10/10/2021 13:59

Well, he feels as if you are suggesting that he is inadequate because he is inadequate. He obviously has a number of issues, but do not allow yourself to let his problems become yours. He seems to be happy enough to live in his lonesome little pit, going to work and going home and never doing anything else that is new or meaningful with his life. If you let yourself get dragged along by this, you will find yourself one day stuck in this barren, dismal world too waiting endlessly for him to hum and hah and agree after months of persuasion to go on one measly day out or weekend break with you. Things you could just book at the drop of a hat if he wasn't in your life. And if you ever have children they will also be held back by him.

I know that you've said that you're frightened of being on your own. You should be much more frightened at the prospect of being sucked into this man's black hole of nothingness and wasting the rest of your 30's on a man who sulks and whinges about going for one drink.

Mammyloveswine · 10/10/2021 16:10

Get rid... it's not normal to not want sex...

Mummaganoush · 10/10/2021 16:12

I think hes gay. I also think you have no future. Dont settle.

Mammyloveswine · 10/10/2021 16:12

Posted too soon..

I suspect other issues are aplay here....maybe abuse? Of something stopping him?

But that's not fair on you.

And the whole not taking a single day off along with the long hours... what is his job?

I'd be worrying about a second life tbh! Could he gave a wife?

TwinsandTrifle · 10/10/2021 16:22

[quote ChargingBuck]@TwinsandTrifle you are projecting, due to the bizarre experience your friend had.

OP has repeatedly mentioned that this man's romantic relationships have been scant, & short lived. Frankly, he sounds so socially awkward it's far more like he's a committed singleton than secretly married.

He doesn't actually want to be in relationship, but I suspect he enjoys the social kudos of being seen to be part of one.
He probably enjoys OP's company - on his own terms - but he won't allow her to get any closer than she currently is, & can only cope with her presence in a very limited & controlled way.
He punishes her for asking for affection, or days out, or normal interaction with each other's friends & family.

He's not married, or hiding a secret partner. He's just an oddball, & the sooner OP accepts that, the sooner she'll be free of his nasty & manipulative influence on her life.[/quote]
I'm not projecting because of my friend's experience. I think that because of what OP has said.

I was trying to illustrate that thinking "that can't be possible" doesn't mean that at all. These people exist and he sounds textbook. My friend went on a two week holiday with hers. Someone living with another woman couldnt do that right? He simply told the other he had a "conference abroad." Hmm

The "I want to be intimate with you" ...... lie. The constant "I do want children"....just hold off for 5 years thanks. "You can't meet my family because (general bull)". The constant unavailability because he's supposedly at work the whole time. It's shouting oblivious OW.

And all the "no real relationships for years" well, that's merely what he's told her, and about as believable as the rest of his stories.

I think irrespective of what we each think is the backstory, I think it's unanimous that OP hasn't done anything wrong and needs to be shot of this man asap.

ChargingBuck · 10/10/2021 16:29

I'm not projecting because of my friend's experience. I think that because of what OP has said.

& as OP has come back several times to state that she categorically knows he is not married, & one final time to say it's starting to become irritating hearing this opinion, the least you could do is respect that, & stop undermining her by defending your pet
theory.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 10/10/2021 16:33

@Mammyloveswine

Get rid... it's not normal to not want sex...
I’m asexual and I find your view highly offensive. I don’t want sex and being asexual is a totally acceptable orientation, would you say it’s not normal to want gay sex just because it’s not the most common sexual orientation?

The fundamental issue with this man is not that he doesn’t like sex, it’s that he hasn’t been honest about his feelings towards sex and is stringing the OP along. He’s obviously not going to change his feelings and he should admit them to the OP but he probably feels a lot of shame about his feelings towards sex (I know I have and attitudes like yours that I’m abnormal don’t help) and isn’t able to admit how he feels. I haven’t told anybody in my real life I’m asexual either because I’m afraid of the response I would get. I’m not defending the man’s behaviour by the way, his actions sound cruel and problematic but it’s okay if he doesn’t want sex, what’s not okay is not being honest about it and letting OP make a decision about whether that’s something she can put up with in a relationship rather than giving her false hope it will happen at some point when it probably won’t.

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