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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

OP posts:
picklemewalnuts · 09/10/2021 17:23

He's trying to drive you away because you've seen though him.

You haven't caused this by being nasty to him- he has caused this by refusing to work on areas of compromise, areas of mismatch or difficulty.

Stop thinking you did this.

Also, you think what you said was worse than what he said? He is calling you cruel, says he doesn't feel the same way about you, etc. He's been pretty nasty to someone.

Neither of you want to be in this relationship. He's being a coward.

Have another blazing row if it helps. But sort this out!

ChargingBuck · 09/10/2021 17:24

He actively wants to be on his own he wouldn’t miss me, especially after the recent row. I don’t know why I feel the need to try and resolve it before walking away, maybe because mentally I would feel that he wasn’t dismissing me in the way he is now.

Obviously entirely up to you, but one sure-fire way of resolving it would be for you to sent a text saying "actually, I agree with you, we are better off finishing this now because we are never going to want the same things" ... & leaving it there.

No blame to him, (it IS all his fault, but no need to go there!) no self-recriminations to yourself, & this awful mess would be done.

You could then start going forward, instead of stagnating in the poisonous ditch this man has built for you.

pictish · 09/10/2021 17:25

I’m not irritated with you but I do accept that there’s nothing I can add to what’s already been said, to motivate you.

ChargingBuck · 09/10/2021 17:27

@Scrollonthroughtherain

He wants you to be a needy mess. He gets off on it. He's exactly like my abusive ex. They get into your head and make you feel like their fucked up behaviour is your fault and if only you were nicer, or less demanding, everything would be fine but YOU ruined it.

He's got you exactly where he wants you. That's why he's not helping you out of this. He is LOVING IT.

Spot-on analysis.

Please take note OP.

TwinsandTrifle · 09/10/2021 17:38

I am so sad. He told me weeks ago I was the love of his life.

@Abersterol OP he talks a good game, doesn't he. I don't want this to sound harsh, I just want you to see some context.

He tells you he wants sex. Turns out that's rubbish.

He tells you he wants children. Then puts it off for 5 years.

He tells you he wants to go away for the weekend. That's rubbish too.

Do you see he just tells you what he knows you will lap up. His actions show the opposite.

He tells you're the love of his life. His actions don't show this though do they. He's the sort to tell you how he can't wait to marry you, then makes excuses and doesn't propose.

If he genuinely wanted to do any of the things he pretends about, he'd just do them.

He sounds manipulative. Like he knows you love to hear it and that's good enough, dangling this false carrot. I wouldn't be surprised if he had sociopathic tendencies.

You sound far too good for him. Far too good. I get that loneliness can be horrible, especially this time of year. But every day you spend with this manipulative man who brings zero to the table, could have been the day you met your future husband. My sincere advice is get rid before he wastes any more of your journey to the future happiness you deserve. Flowers

TheChip · 09/10/2021 17:39

Nobody is irritated with you, OP.

A lot of us have been in very similar situations and been exactly where you are mentally. I know I have. It was years ago on mumsnet and people were practically screaming at me what was happening and I was even further behind than you. I was full on defending my ex and trying to get them to see how I was to blame. Nothing they were saying was going in. I remember being so annoyed that they just weren't grasping how I was to blame and I just needed their help on how best to support him. They weren't giving me that and I couldn't understand why. Obviously, I do now. They couldn't, because it didn't matter what I did, he would move the goalposts. They knew that, because they had been in similar situations.

They knew I'd be back when I was seeing more clearly, and I was. I had great support from here to help get out and get through that break up. This place was a godsend.

waterrat · 09/10/2021 17:50

He changed overnight because you set boundaries and were honest and tried to bring integrity and your own totally normal requests to the relationship.

waterrat · 09/10/2021 17:54

Op listen to yourself. When you said he was lovely apart from no sex not wanting to spend a long weekend with you and not wanting you to meet the people close to him. That's literally the relationship. He was lovely when he could dip in and out and not commit or give you any intimacy.

A man who loved you would have dealt with thr sex issue not just ignored your needs

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 09/10/2021 18:29

and obviously I’ve approached it wrongly
Whereas he approaches everything in your relationship like a total Prince?
No you haven't approached it wrongly. I've read all your posts and there is no way you could have phrased or introduced the topic of any of these issues with this delicate soul in a way that he would have accepted because he just doesn't want to accept or deal with them, hence his cold anger.

He doesn't appear to want anything more intimate in relationship terms than an occasional dining companion, and makes himself constantly unavailable, or un reachable to ensure this.
Which is why I think he is just acting out a part without really wanting to engage. It is so dishonest.
Please stop casting yourself as the person who has done things badly and imagining if only you'd found the perfect recipe for dealing with it then all would be well.
This is your life and you have the right to speak up, and have a say in it.
BTW, I cannot see anyone being irritated with you. Pp are irritated with the way he has gaslighted you. There's nothing wrong with taking time to process it.

whynotwhatknot · 09/10/2021 18:35

hes never been honest and loving op youre kidding yo0urself

he wants a family-well clearly not

he wants sex-same as above

the man is faking it just to make you go along with him till youre too old to do anything about it

TwinsandTrifle · 09/10/2021 18:50

BTW, I cannot see anyone being irritated with you. Pp are irritated with the way he has gaslighted you.

This. With bells on. No one is irritated at you. They are irritated at what he's done and how he's made you think you've ruined it.

Manipulative, lying, arsehole. Don't be sad at losing this prick. He's no one's prize. That's why he's been single so long.

SweetBabyCheeses99 · 09/10/2021 19:59

“ He doesn’t want me to meet his family because apparently they won’t want me in the house/they don’t like him being long in the house so it would be too much for them.”

I know that you’re adamant he’s not married but that was my initial thought and despite all your additional information I still haven’t changed my mind!

I think he doesn’t want to have actual PIV sex with you as he would regard this as cheating. Won’t go away for the weekend as his wife would suspect something. Won’t let you meet his family because they will wonder why you’re not his wife.

It’s not a nice thought I know but some men really are this awful. He’s not communicating with you because he can’t find the words to tell you the terrible truth. And he’s being a dick in the hope that you break off with him.

HereticFanjo · 09/10/2021 20:01

Why in the name of God are you wasting your time on him?

supercali77 · 09/10/2021 20:31

His actions say it all. When dealing with someone you really need to assume they won't change. Think of any deeply embedded characteristic we all have and how bloody hard it is to change and its obvious that waiting for someone else to change is on a hiding to nowhere. Whatever he thinks of you, however he's set the narrative up in his mind, its irrelevant now. Do YOU want a relationship ship with sex, trips away, the easy meeting of family and friends? Its that simple. This man cannot give you it now and holding onto the idea he can simply because he says he wants to is wasting your precious time. Think about it this way. If you loved someone, wanted sex and all that. Would you then withhold the very thing you say you want. The very thing someone else wants? Whatever going on with him is his issue. Its his to sort out if he wants to. Your only responsibility is to honour your own needs

hashbrownsandwich · 09/10/2021 20:49

Are you actually going to leave him now?

Coffeepot72 · 09/10/2021 22:10

I wanted to build a life with someone not start from scratch especially at this age. I feel so defeated and sad.

I totally get that. However your current situation will not go the distance, so the longer you hang on, the older you will be when you ‘start from scratch’.

TwinsandTrifle · 09/10/2021 22:50

He doesn’t want me to meet his family because apparently they won’t want me in the house/they don’t like him being long in the house so it would be too much for them

Ohhhhhhhhhh. He's one of those. Yes, sorry OP but this is more common than you think. He's either married, or separated and wants to give the appearance of being single in every other part of his life so he's instantly available for when the wife wants him back. You do not feature as anything he sees in his future. He's a horrible human being.

As soon as I saw this, about how you can't meet his family, everything else fell into place. Don't underestimate how cunning these people are. You've been duped. Get out literally now.

QueenBee52 · 09/10/2021 23:36

End this FFS

Onthedunes · 10/10/2021 02:57

Sorry I've not not read the whole thread but I think you have happened across a seriously damaged individual.

I agree with pp's that this man is hiding a multitude of secrets, there is no truth to this relationship, no anchor point in which to build a secure connection. There is no future.

You can't control him but I wouldn't be surprised if someone else is.

You say he's never had a relationship, how do you know this?

Do you know his friends ?, you said about his family not going out, how do you know this?
Is everthing you know of him, what he has told you?

How did you meet, was it through work ?, as that is what he does all of the time.

He seems to to be able to make you feel sorry for him much of the time, he is childlike and you appear unwilling to upset him, his sulking tantrums are working a treat.

I think you have really bought into this childlike man and his ability to manipulate you yet make you feel totally sorry for him, sort of mothering him, whittling arround him making sure you don't put any adult boundaries upon him.

Do you know anything of his upbringing, I think there lies many of the answers.

As far as his reluctance to connect to you, I do think there is something he is waiting for, and I think he is using you until that thing becomes available or accessible again.

The lack of sex suggests to me there is a deep connection to someone else.

Onthedunes · 10/10/2021 03:19

I other words, stop communicating with him, it doesn't matter how he or you feel about this ending, he doesn't care enough, you will never be the one to fix him.

I don't think he can actually love, he's been damaged too much as a child, he is too fixed in his thinking and I believe he is using you as a crutch because someone else has put boundaries on his behaviour.

He doesn't understand compromise, I think @ChargingBuck's excellent posts and her assesment that he is a sociopath with narcissistic tendancies may be true.

DFOD · 10/10/2021 03:31

I am interested in your past relationships OP and the terror of ending it and the fear of loneliness - at 35 years old you must have experienced both of these situations and survived so what do you think is so paralysing about this right now?

Onthedunes · 10/10/2021 03:56

A few questions op...

Who does he live with, himself or family.
Have you ever been to his home.
What sort of job does he have (without being too outing)

Does he do practical things to show his love for you.
Does he have a wide circle of friends/aquaintances.

Have you met his friends.
Does he stay over every night.
Does he have any social media profiles.
How long have you actually known him.

You don't obviously have to answer these things but obviously you will have tried to find out as much as possible about him from other people, what do others think about him, his reputation.

IndecentCakes · 10/10/2021 06:27

I was once an unwitting OW. The guy behaved very like this.

Butterfly44 · 10/10/2021 06:56

Absolutely no future here. You will only become more sad the longer you prolong things. Start the healing process now, you'll wish you had if you let it drag.

aSofaNearYou · 10/10/2021 09:45

@abersterol

He doesn’t want me to meet his family because apparently they won’t want me in the house/they don’t like him being long in the house so it would be too much for them. He sees them quite a bit and I feel like I’m not fully part of his life. He doesn’t want to meet mine yet as he’s now not sure about us after what I said to him. I don’t feel like I have a partner. I really thought we shared something special. Why is this so hard.
In the scheme of things it doesn't really matter if he is secretly in a relationship because he sounds like a twat anyway, but COME ON!
  • he doesn't want you to meet his family
  • he won't have full sex with you and won't explain why
  • he can't go away with you
  • he claims to have a very rigid work schedule that makes him only available at certain times.

I've never read a more textbook case of "you are an unwitting OW".

I'm bringing that up again because I feel it might help you understand this situation if you got the truth. I truly think he is married or in a relationship.

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