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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

OP posts:
abersterol · 09/10/2021 10:41

Things are still not good and he’s spent the last few days telling me he’s not doing well on any fronts with work or family or the relationship. Told me I don’t listen and like things to happen a certain way that makes him feel under pressure. All this has come about after that argument where I lost it and said he wasn’t behaving remotely normally.

I tried last night in one last attempt to give him the benefit of the doubt and maybe he was feeling depressed etc. I suggested we go for a quick drink as it might help him to relax a little, he frowned and didn’t say anything so I said let’s stay in then and I’d sort food so he could get on with things. He then paused and said let’s get a drink. We went in, ordered and he made some conversation for a few minutes, then sat staring into space with a miserable look, not speaking, barely acknowledging me. I asked what was wrong and he said he didn’t want to go for a drink and I’d made him do it and he wanted to leave.

When we got back we cooked some food and he was hot and cold with me all evening. I don’t know how the relationship has gone from me thinking it was perfect bar the sex issue to now thinking he’s a horribly cruel person. I don’t get it at all. How has this even happened.

I honestly think it I never spoke to him again I would never hear from him

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anthurium · 09/10/2021 10:47

But you will Op, as you appear to not have the dignity or ability to move on until you've been dumped. You really can't seem to see what you're doing and after so much good advice on here from various posters, you are continuing in a dead end/unsatisfactory relationship because you're afraid of the lonely winter nights ahead. It's really not good.

pictish · 09/10/2021 10:49

Ah bless you. It’s sad and I understand that this has made you feel unworthy. I’m sorry.
The truth is, the issue lies with him. I’d guess at him being a fundamentally self-absorbed and difficult person. The sort of disturbance in a person you have no hope of changing or improving with love or loyalty. This is how he is.
In time it will end up being all about treading carefully around him, his preferences, his moods, his state of mind, his feelings. You will be left to fend for yourself…if you can fit that in while pandering to his narcissism.

Put the chap down and walk away I’d say.

anthurium · 09/10/2021 10:53

@pictish

Ah bless you. It’s sad and I understand that this has made you feel unworthy. I’m sorry. The truth is, the issue lies with him. I’d guess at him being a fundamentally self-absorbed and difficult person. The sort of disturbance in a person you have no hope of changing or improving with love or loyalty. This is how he is. In time it will end up being all about treading carefully around him, his preferences, his moods, his state of mind, his feelings. You will be left to fend for yourself…if you can fit that in while pandering to his narcissism.

Put the chap down and walk away I’d say.

She won't though, unless she gets dumped or finds a replacement for her lonely nights. Op has expressed that one of the major reasons she is afraid of finishing this relationship is because she doesn't want to come home to her empty house, cook meals alone and she'd miss his company (doesn't want to face the lonely nights ahead). She's actually using him as much as he's using her, is my opinion after following this thread from the start.
abersterol · 09/10/2021 10:57

@anthurium

But you will Op, as you appear to not have the dignity or ability to move on until you've been dumped. You really can't seem to see what you're doing and after so much good advice on here from various posters, you are continuing in a dead end/unsatisfactory relationship because you're afraid of the lonely winter nights ahead. It's really not good.
@anthurium I think I wanted to make things better then slip away slowly as I thought it would be easier. He’s just been more cruel though. Why can’t I just leave. Why don’t I have any confidence or self respect. What is wrong with me
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BrilliantBetty · 09/10/2021 10:58

You said earlier in the thread that you were worried about being lonely and the loneliness of winter.
Since he is being horrible to you and stringing you along, why not look for a new partner while still seeing him occasionally, but drastically reduce the relationship and time spent together. But I understand the fear of loneliness and I don't think you'd be terrible for exploring your options while still in some sort of friendship/ relationship.
Don't let him hold you back from meeting someone who is better for you. Start dating now. Someone much better for you is out there and there's no time to waste!!

CornishTiger · 09/10/2021 10:59

Give yourself the gift of being single and dating. He sounds dreadful and you need to up your standards!

abersterol · 09/10/2021 11:02

@pictish

Ah bless you. It’s sad and I understand that this has made you feel unworthy. I’m sorry. The truth is, the issue lies with him. I’d guess at him being a fundamentally self-absorbed and difficult person. The sort of disturbance in a person you have no hope of changing or improving with love or loyalty. This is how he is. In time it will end up being all about treading carefully around him, his preferences, his moods, his state of mind, his feelings. You will be left to fend for yourself…if you can fit that in while pandering to his narcissism.

Put the chap down and walk away I’d say.

@pictish he wasn’t like that at the start though, or not as bad anyway. He’d say things like ‘I care about you but I also care about me and I don’t have lots of free weekends.’ Then he’d arrange things late on a Sunday or one day of the weekend, he would always say he was looking forward to seeing me but was very detached. He will say he loves me but has told me he doesn’t write that down so I would never have it in a text for instance.

It’s these new moods that have just totally taken me aback. He seems to blame me for it, the other night he said he’s always cold in bed because I take the duvet in my sleep and he just sighed and got a blanket out. I apologised and he said it was fine but it seemed like another thing he just hates me for. He will kiss me some days and other days he brushes me off and doesn’t say why. This is all since that argument.

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abersterol · 09/10/2021 11:04

@BrilliantBetty

You said earlier in the thread that you were worried about being lonely and the loneliness of winter. Since he is being horrible to you and stringing you along, why not look for a new partner while still seeing him occasionally, but drastically reduce the relationship and time spent together. But I understand the fear of loneliness and I don't think you'd be terrible for exploring your options while still in some sort of friendship/ relationship. Don't let him hold you back from meeting someone who is better for you. Start dating now. Someone much better for you is out there and there's no time to waste!!
@BrilliantBetty I had considered this and a friend suggested it. It feels like he just hates me now though which has made me want to make it better before I detach. I’m just very very low. And so confused with his behaviour because it has all come about since I raised those things, it’s awful
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TheChip · 09/10/2021 11:12

Why do you want to make things better with somebody you feel hates you before you detach? Why do that to yourself?

aSofaNearYou · 09/10/2021 11:14

He will say he loves me but has told me he doesn’t write that down so I would never have it in a text for instance.

I mean, this really, really sounds like another huge red glad that he is married or in another relationship. Why else would have say that?

What makes you think that isn't possible?

pictish · 09/10/2021 11:16

Personally I think it’s a just a stupid floral thing to say. Look at me all enigmatic and troubled.
Twat.

anthurium · 09/10/2021 11:18

@TheChip

Why do you want to make things better with somebody you feel hates you before you detach? Why do that to yourself?
Because she has very low self esteem/crippling fear of loneliness/needs validation/wants the happily ever after (secretly)?

I've seen this happen more often to women in their mid to late 30s clutching on to dead end relationships because they fear this might be their last shot at the 'happily ever after' marriage/forever house/children script. It's the feeling of 'I can't face the dating apps any more' etc./sunk cost fallacy...

Oo appears very capable in other areas of her life...but there's only so much that can be said...

aSofaNearYou · 09/10/2021 11:19

@pictish

Personally I think it’s a just a stupid floral thing to say. Look at me all enigmatic and troubled. Twat.
Yeah I know what you mean, I have certainly known a lot of men act like this about saying I love you generally. But why specifically not in writing? There's no added emotional weight to that. Sounds more like he doesn't want there to be evidence.
dreamingbohemian · 09/10/2021 11:21

JUST BIN HIM ALREADY come on OP stop torturing yourself

You don't fix a bad relationship before breaking up. You just break up.

Have you ever broken up with someone before? What helped you do it last time?

dreamingbohemian · 09/10/2021 11:22

He's not married, he's just a twat

anthurium · 09/10/2021 11:26

@Abersterol

@anthurium I think I wanted to make things better then slip away slowly as I thought it would be easier. He’s just been more cruel though. Why can’t I just leave. Why don’t I have any confidence or self respect. What is wrong with me"

My honest opinion, because you haven't got anyone else better to distract you at the moment - if you did, you wouldn't be bothering with this.

abersterol · 09/10/2021 11:31

@dreamingbohemian yes I have but I’m worried I’ve caused this and tying myself in knots about it. It is mental torture

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TheChip · 09/10/2021 11:33

Say you have caused this, removing yourself will be helpful. Say you haven't caused this, removing yourself will be helpful.
Solution is: remove yourself

abersterol · 09/10/2021 11:47

I’m finding it so hard. I know i will beat myself up about it and blame myself

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dreamingbohemian · 09/10/2021 11:54

Do you have a general fear of failure? Are you a perfectionist?

You did NOT cause this but even if you had, so what? It's ok to make mistakes. It's ok to get things wrong.

If this was truly a good relationship you could not have messed it up in the first place. You're being way too hard on yourself.

TheChip · 09/10/2021 12:04

Youre beating yourself up either way. You can choose to continue beating yourself up while being with someone who makes you feel worse, or you can beat yourself up without that.

ChargingBuck · 09/10/2021 12:05

We went in, ordered and he made some conversation for a few minutes, then sat staring into space with a miserable look, not speaking, barely acknowledging me. I asked what was wrong and he said he didn’t want to go for a drink and I’d made him do it and he wanted to leave.
WHY ARE YOU SO HUNG UP ON CONTINUING TO 'DATE' THIS TODDLER?
Sorry to shout OP, but how can you not see you are flogging a dead horse, & everything you said to him at the time of your "this is not normal" conversation is accurate?

I honestly think it I never spoke to him again I would never hear from him
There you go - easy peasy.

Think of all the women starting threads on MN who are desperate to extricate themselves from abusive men, & posting for advice about how to get safely away from these monsters.
Congratulate yourself that you won't have to go through any of that, & just walk away from this dysfunctional man.
He is not relationship material. You surely understand that by now?

EdgeOfTheSky · 09/10/2021 12:12

Why don’t I have any confidence or self respect. What is wrong with me

Well, partly, you are in a relationship that gives you no confidence or respect. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

A relationship is supposed to make you feel great - a boost, a strengthening of who and what you are. This is just sapping your strength, and misery is seeping into your life.

It's your life OP - take control and make it better by freeing yourself from this - or don't.

ChargingBuck · 09/10/2021 12:12

Why can’t I just leave.
You can. See above, He won't chase you. Just slip away quietly.

Why don’t I have any confidence or self respect.
Because instead of dealing with your issues (not criticism - we all have them), you are masking all the symptoms of your unhappiness by focusing on ToddlerMan instead of yourself.
If you put half the energy you've invested in ToddlerMan into a working relationship with an excellent therapist, you'd soon find yourself bouncing with unrecognisable feelings of confidence & self-respect.

What is wrong with me
Nothing that dumping ToddlerMan & engaging in some medium-term psychotherapy won't fix.
And I don't recommend therapy because there's something wrong with you.
I recommend it because you deserve some expert, compassionate, & knowledgeable help to understand what childhood drivers have caused your lack of self-esteem.
This is more common than you think. You just need some hand-holding while you rediscover your own value.

Please do it OP.
A whole, engaging & fulfilling life awaits you, when you are not poisoning yourself by obsessing over this very unworthy man.