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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

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abersterol · 06/10/2021 10:43

@Jaguarshoes he doesn’t have to work weekends but he says he has to catch up with admin on weekends. It’s not like we don’t do anything at a weekend but time is quite sectioned off. He wouldn’t just leave work completely for 48 hours, for instance. Not even for one weekend.

I know this is the end and this thread has helped me SO much. It’s almost like I need to hear this support over and over and over until I believe in my own feeling that I should I walk away. I second guess myself so much and that is my issue i need to address. My therapist said I was accepting my world being so small by being with him.

I’ve done everything to talk with him. It’s like talking with a teenager though.

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Jaguarshoes · 06/10/2021 10:49

Does he ever go away with friends or to visit family? I’ve never heard of a job where you are not allowed a break for more than 48 hours. Legally no employer could refuse you to take holidays.

What do you know about his upbringing? It does seem there must be something deep rooted that happened at home or perhaps school.

Coronawireless · 06/10/2021 10:49

Apart from anything else, your descriptions of his stonewalling, refusal to discuss issues that are important to you, evasiveness….how frustrating! You’ll be very lonely in a couple of years if you’re still with him and you’ll feel constant low-level anger and frustration.
I suspect you want a child and are afraid to leave him because it might be too late to find someone else. Not unreasonable at all and I feel for you. Consider though that if you have a child with him…IF!….you’ll be more or less raising it alone. Difficult decisions ahead. Try to clarify with yourself what’s important to you. Good luck💐

Bunnies53 · 06/10/2021 10:55

You can’t change people. It’s something you realise as you get older. He isn’t going to change. You can’t change him. Don’t waste your time fighting for something that won’t happen. The first months and years are meant to be the best. You don’t want to stay with him for years and then have to start again which is inevitable. Bite the bullet and move on - you won’t regret it however hard it might be initially. If you do stay with him book a week away with the girls and have a blast!

I hope you manage to find the happiness you deserve xx

pictish · 06/10/2021 11:49

"All so complicated and dramatic"

Yes yes indeed. Very. I have no idea why you would persist with such an inadequate prospect. Maybe you're nurturing the romantic notion that he needs the love of a good, patient woman or something. Dunno.
Maybe you feel like you owe him infinite chances for some reason.

Personally I think he sounds like a complete waste of time. Yuck.

anthurium · 06/10/2021 11:55

@pictish

"All so complicated and dramatic"

Yes yes indeed. Very. I have no idea why you would persist with such an inadequate prospect. Maybe you're nurturing the romantic notion that he needs the love of a good, patient woman or something. Dunno.
Maybe you feel like you owe him infinite chances for some reason.

Personally I think he sounds like a complete waste of time. Yuck.

Women tend to be afraid of singlehood (due to pressures societal or own to marry/have children. Op can certainly explore having a child by herself (via a sperm donor) as I have done and other women, but she's caught up in a passive trap (sunk cost fallacy?). She's 35 and wanting to settle down and with that panic she's settling for something I'm sure she wouldn't have touched with a bargepole in her 20s. She is afraid to be alone/loneliness she's said it in one her replies.
DFOD · 06/10/2021 12:09

@dreamingbohemian

One thing you should think about is the way you keep saying 'apart from this he's great'

The things you are putting in that 'apart from this' box are really the most important parts of a relationship! Emotional availability, sexual compatibility, willingness to compromise, etc.

'Apart from this' should be for little things. Like my DH is wonderful apart from the fact he can never find his keys.

I don't know why you have been willing to overlook such huge flaws in him, but I would suggest talking to your counsellor about it, otherwise you risk getting sucked into another hopeless relationship.

I think this is important. An analogy that they use in MN a lot is if a cup of coffee had 5% lump of shit in it you wouldn’t drink it even if the other 95% was “perfect” … but here you have a cup of coffee that is 95% shit … the b basics are not there - sex, future goals, day to day time, respectful communication etc

You have been in denial for a least 9 months trying and trying to change him - listening to his words and not seeing his actions and then telling yourself that you want too much….as you have said other women have moved on from him at 3 months.

You will not get your happy every after baby, family, marriage with this character - just more frustration and a deterioration of your core self. Every minute you stay with him is a minute wasted - wishful thinking - and is a making your goal of being a mother further from your grasp.

Coffeepot72 · 06/10/2021 12:28

she's settling for something I'm sure she wouldn't have touched with a bargepole in her 20s.

Excellent point. Sadly as time ticks on some people set the bar lower and lower. But far better to dust yourself down and start again at 35, not 45

momtoboys · 06/10/2021 13:05

@hashbrownsandwich

So are you ditching him or what?
OP is giving him another week,
hashbrownsandwich · 06/10/2021 13:08

Nothing will change.

RampantIvy · 06/10/2021 13:13

I can't see that things will change in a week TBH.

mcmooberry · 06/10/2021 13:29

I am glad you are ending it, imagine you were ttc and he wouldn't have sex with you, you could easily throw away your fertile years on this man.

Opaljewel · 06/10/2021 13:55

Seriously just get rid. What does he even do for you? You can't fix the broken man.

Quirrelsotherface · 06/10/2021 14:43

Sounds like he is married.

Coffeepot72 · 06/10/2021 14:57

I don't think he's married, but he's clearly not what the OP is looking for.

picklemewalnuts · 06/10/2021 15:45

@abersterol another poster mentioned ASD earlier. In some ways it isn't relevant- he isn't able to meet your needs in a relationship.
If he has ASD, knowing that may help him to find a 'work around' for the things he wants to do, but can't currently manage- spend his time differently etc. That's very much a long term project though- he won't be able to make changes in a timescale that's any use to you.

ShuddaBeenMe · 06/10/2021 15:50

He's a good liar isn't he? Saying he wants sex and a day off.

He's not reaching for the moon. If he wanted those things, he'd have them

Don't beg him to sleep with you, you're worth so much more Thanks

JovialNickname · 06/10/2021 16:39

I also think he might be ASD, though I hate to be one of the people throwing that up on a thread where a man is behaving in an entirely inadequate and cruel manner. Also, if he does have ASD - not your job to reconcile yourself with that and be with him if it's not what you want.

I did have a boyfriend for a couple of years with Aspergers who had a lot of similarities in terms of behaviour. (Yes I know if you've met one autistic person you've met one autistic person, but it is a fact that there are certain traits in common). He was a lovely man, loyal, kind (so kind - he didn't have a malicious bone in his body), committed, funny, nice. But, as a neurotypical person who is emotionally needy (as in for me, love is overwhelmingly an emotional connection, and I wanted that emotional love and understanding) he couldn't do it, it wasn't who he was. We broke up in the end because he couldn't give me that emotional connection, and because I was being angry about that and he didn't understand why.

He understood I needed sex and breaks away with him, and was logically accepting and happy with that. But could never have gone as far as arranging breaks away himself. If going away did happen, I would arrange it, outwith his work schedule so he didn't have to have time off, and present it as a fait accompli. And I'd have to give him an itinerary for our break, and go through it with him so he would know what was happening. Then he would go. We were both happy with that.

TMI alert - he also hated the sensory aspect of body to body sex, though he was a sexual person and enjoyed the female body and ejaculation. The only way it worked for us was me on top, kind of keeping a physical distance. But for me non-cuddly, non kissy sex was difficult to do.

Don't know if this is any help, and I know I'm massively projecting my own experiences which might not even be relevant at all. But if they are, you still don't have to be with someone that's falling so short of what you want and need. Even if he does have, or goes on to have, an ASD diagnosis, it's not just fine because of that and because it has a label. There's a lid for every pot and he isn't yours x

Itawapuddytat · 06/10/2021 17:35

I was in a relationship that was going nowhere (and I was quite aware of this towards the end) for almost 2 years. But the sex was rally good and plenty of it and I was in my mid 20s (I didn't want to settle, have children etc at that time). In your situation I'd ditch the guy yesterday! Whatever issues he has, it's a shame, but they are his and it is not your job to fix them/him. He won't give you what you want, OP, don't waste any more time with him.

itsallgoingpearshaped · 06/10/2021 17:55

@abersterol

Urgh it just feels so hard. After reading this last night I spoke to him again and he cried and said he didn’t know why but he knew he wanted these things he just wasn’t used to them and found them stressful. I said I couldn’t go on like this and he said he would try. I don’t know what to do though as it now just feels like stress to me. I love being with him but I don’t have much hope things will change at all. It feels hopeless really. He was a bit more open last night and said he knew it was hard for me and he wanted to be able to do these things and seemed to really acknowledge it, but again, if it’s another week and nothing changes that’s it isn’t it. I’m already at the end of my patience here. I know it shouldn’t be so hard.
He cried. Yeah.

But if he really wanted these things, he'd be getting help for his issues. And he's not.

I'd end it. And tell him to seek therapy because he really needs it.

TheChip · 06/10/2021 18:06

Did he say what he planned to do differently to try and do the things he supposedly really wants to do? Like, booking himself in for therapy to get to the root of his issues?
I'll take a guess that he did not.

Since you enjoy his company as it is, would continuing as friends not be an option? It sounds like that is what he is after anyway.

bigbaggyeyes · 06/10/2021 18:07

Sound alike the relationship is dead in the water. No sex and he won't 'do' anything outside of the bedroom with you. Soul destroying imo

pictish · 06/10/2021 18:34

Agree with not begging or even trying to persuade him to have sex with you. Good grief.

HaveringWavering · 06/10/2021 19:44

What sort of job does he do? In my husband’s bank, they have a rule that every year they must take a full two consecutive weeks’ leave. The reason is to prevent fraud. People who never take leave are often doing so to cover their tracks and avoid anyone else ever having to pick up their work for them. Do you think he could be mixed up in something like this? If not fraud, perhaps deep anxiety around making mistakes and being found out.

Abersterol · 09/10/2021 10:38

Things are still not good and he’s spent the last few days telling me he’s not doing well on any fronts with work or family or the relationship. Told me I don’t listen and like things to happen a certain way that makes him feel under pressure. All this has come about after that argument where I lost it and said he wasn’t behaving remotely normally.

I tried last night in one last attempt to give him the benefit of the doubt and maybe he was feeling depressed etc. I suggested we go for a quick drink as it might help him to relax a little, he frowned and didn’t say anything so I said let’s stay in then and I’d sort food so he could get on with things. He then paused and said let’s get a drink. We went in, ordered and he made some conversation for a few minutes, then sat staring into space with a miserable look, not speaking, barely acknowledging me. I asked what was wrong and he said he didn’t want to go for a drink and I’d made him do it and he wanted to leave.

When we got back we cooked some food and he was hot and cold with me all evening. I don’t know how the relationship has gone from me thinking it was perfect bar the sex issue to now thinking he’s a horribly cruel person. I don’t get it at all. How has this even happened

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