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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

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abersterol · 06/10/2021 08:22

Urgh it just feels so hard. After reading this last night I spoke to him again and he cried and said he didn’t know why but he knew he wanted these things he just wasn’t used to them and found them stressful. I said I couldn’t go on like this and he said he would try. I don’t know what to do though as it now just feels like stress to me. I love being with him but I don’t have much hope things will change at all. It feels hopeless really. He was a bit more open last night and said he knew it was hard for me and he wanted to be able to do these things and seemed to really acknowledge it, but again, if it’s another week and nothing changes that’s it isn’t it. I’m already at the end of my patience here. I know it shouldn’t be so hard.

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TheWayTheLightFalls · 06/10/2021 08:29

Op, kindly, you’re wasting your time.

OverweightPidgeon · 06/10/2021 08:40

He won’t change, don’t fall for his empty words . It also might be worth you exploring why you have put up with this for so long.

KittyKattyKate · 06/10/2021 08:41

OP you DO know what to do. In your deepest heart you know. Stop fearing your age and start living your life.

anthurium · 06/10/2021 08:52

You're being crumbed. And because you're feeling weak right now and dreading 'the lonely nights ahead etc ' you've mentioned previously, you're more likely to give in...

It's interesting how he's turned on the waterworks to reel you back in: very manipulative.

JustThisLastLittleBit · 06/10/2021 09:01

Clearly he’s fearful of real intimacy and he doesn’t know why. Perhaps he should get some counselling.

Clymene · 06/10/2021 09:02

You will be lonely and childless if you carry on with this bloke. But I suspect you will.

JustThisLastLittleBit · 06/10/2021 09:04

Posted too soon. I don’t think you should stick around while he gets counselling. Hard as it is, you need to step right back from this man and pursue other possibilities in your life.

If nothing else, having children with a poorly communicating workaholic is a non-starter.

abersterol · 06/10/2021 09:10

I know it’s over I’m just frustrated and sad as he’s everything I wanted apart from this! And I feel misled a bit - I first raised it in June and said if he didn’t want sex he should tell me

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CSJobseeker · 06/10/2021 09:13

I think you're right to feel misled, because you have been. Whether it was intentional on his part or not, he has strung you along with promises of a different future.

Saying "I'll want children when I'm 43/44" is obviously kicking the can down the road though. There is nothing in his actions to suggest that he will feel or act differently then. He's just wanting to defer it until it drops off your agenda.

CSJobseeker · 06/10/2021 09:15

And the main thing is - your role on this earth is not to fix this man, it's to ensure your own happiness. Only he can fix himself, and his actions don't suggest that he's putting the effort in.

dreamingbohemian · 06/10/2021 09:18

I promise you, there is a man out there who has all his good qualities without all the horrible ones, but you will never find him if you stick with this dead end relationship.

Break it off, give yourself time to get over it, then get back out there.

abersterol · 06/10/2021 09:18

It’s just strange as he says he wants sex, says he feels that way, says he would love to book a day off, says he wants a family. Yet here I am not a clue what’s going on as his actions don’t match any of what he says. He speaks passionately about these things too, like he genuinely wants it all.

I have been patient, I’ve tried to talk, I’ve been kind. I’m just so fed up and exhausted that someone could even do this and think it’s ok…get annoyed with me for being angry after so long. He’s since said he understands why I was angry but I don’t feel like he wants to address intimacy issues. The first time he said he loved me it was almost as if he’d said it by mistake. For a while he’d be clearly uncomfortable with me saying it to him randomly over breakfast etc and when I asked why he said he loved hearing it but he’d never heard that before and it was strange to get used to it. All so complicated and dramatic

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RampantIvy · 06/10/2021 09:22

Please listen to everyone on here. You can't change him to what you want him to be.

Demote him to a friend and open yourself up to a new relationship with someone else.

CSJobseeker · 06/10/2021 09:23

says he would love to book a day off

Just take this one point - how hard do you think it is to book a day off? Even very senior people, or people in very pressured jobs manage it.

abersterol · 06/10/2021 09:36

@CSJobseeker yeah it doesn’t make sense to me. I agree. I’m sort of ignoring that point more because the sex is the main issue but yes on the face of it why the fuck can’t he book a day off. I said any Friday or Monday would work so let me know and I will check with my work. For months, literally months, he’s said he will check and look into it. Never has.

Those posters suggesting I look into why I do this to myself, I completely agree. Im scared now though that I don’t have time to I tangle all that. I have started counselling. Im just gutted that someone I do really think is great could have these issues. Without this I would be walking on air with him. The day to day with him is so easy and fun. Im just frustrated/angry/sad that once again something hasn’t worked out and for a reason I could never ever have predicted

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hashbrownsandwich · 06/10/2021 09:51

So are you ditching him or what?

anthurium · 06/10/2021 09:59

All these trials and tribulations are because you're afraid of being single/alone/unmarried/potentially childless. Your fear I'd imagine is a lot to do with that (being 35). If an incredible man was to appear you'd ditch your partner in a heartbeat because you'd get your needs met. It's not about him as much as you think it is, is my opinion.

TopCatsTopHat · 06/10/2021 10:08

@TheWayTheLightFalls

Op, kindly, you’re wasting your time.
It sounds sad for him too. He's like an agrophobe who looks out of the window and loves the view and dreams of hiking up a mountain, but can't and in the end doesn't. Which is tragic. It is also irresponsible of him to suggest that he might get there one day - that suggests he is either deliberately leading you on to keep you around or he is in massive self denial. The fact that he can see your distress and it slides off him suggests that his emotional capabilities for the full range of human experience are really stunted. He can do fun and easy going nice, but can't do deep and complex and conflict resolution. But if losing the people he got close to in the past hasn't led him to making changes then, awful though it is, his desire to have that great life (the loving partner, the children, the weekends away, normal adult life etc), isn't greater than his inertia/fear... whatever is stopping him.

It's a shame, a terrible shame. Maybe he will find someone who can live a small life with some companionship and cuddles but not much else, maybe he won't.

What you do know, the facts as the evidence shows you, is that he is offering you a 2D life, some pleasant cuddles and company, but at the cost of needing to ignore your other needs. It's not really sustainable.

TopCatsTopHat · 06/10/2021 10:16

Those posters suggesting I look into why I do this to myself, I completely agree. Im scared now though that I don’t have time to I tangle all that

Start with where you are and just take one step after another to where you would like to be. Maybe you'll get what you want, maybe you won't. But while you work on it, life will happen. There isn't really a short cut or guarantee, so literally all you can do is assess where you are and what you need to do to heal, then what happens next is down to opportunity as it comes.

One thing is for sure if you don't try to sort out the issues you are living with, you will be a lot like this guy, just not addressing things and repeating the same mistakes.
In 20 years time, if you have done all you can to unravel unhelpful outlooks/choices and you have gone out and found people doing things you like to do and joined them, then your life will look like a good life. If you don't then it will probably look pretty similar to how it does now.

TopCatsTopHat · 06/10/2021 10:17

TheWayTheLightFalls - sorry didn't mean to quote you there, touch screen error!

I meant to quote OP - "It’s just strange as he says he wants sex, says he feels that way, says he would love to book a day off, says he wants a family. Yet here I am not a clue what’s going on as his actions don’t match any of what he says. He speaks passionately about these things too, like he genuinely wants it all."

dreamingbohemian · 06/10/2021 10:22

One thing you should think about is the way you keep saying 'apart from this he's great'

The things you are putting in that 'apart from this' box are really the most important parts of a relationship! Emotional availability, sexual compatibility, willingness to compromise, etc.

'Apart from this' should be for little things. Like my DH is wonderful apart from the fact he can never find his keys.

I don't know why you have been willing to overlook such huge flaws in him, but I would suggest talking to your counsellor about it, otherwise you risk getting sucked into another hopeless relationship.

EdgeOfTheSky · 06/10/2021 10:29

Well, he IS ruining your weekends.

It does sound as if he might have some significant issues, given his Dad and brother, and his own behaviour.

But if you have talked to him sensitively, and shown him how strongly this affects you, and he is not able / willing to see what he could do, then what can you do?

It isn’t your job to be his therapist or diagnose him, and it isn’t healthy to base a relationship on him being a ‘project’.

So I think you really don’t have the relationship you want and need.

Meanwhile stop thinking about your age. You are in your prime. You will blight the rest of your life if you ‘settle’ or feel desperate.

He is a constraint on your life. A partner should enable you to go further, beyond yourself, have adventures together that neither thought possible alone.

Get out there!

CecilieRose · 06/10/2021 10:30

He's being enormously selfish. Incredibly selfish. He cannot expect to carry on like this and for you to just be OK with it. All his other girlfriends have run for the hills much sooner because they knew they were wasting their time.

As another poster said, this is a small, sad life and he sounds like a small, sad man. Full of talk about what he wants to do but no ability or real intention to actually make any of it happen, and he's dragging you down with him. You could be travelling, having adventures, doing fun and exciting things all the time and instead you're settling for this. Surely even a FWB you get on with and spend time with would be better than this?

Jaguarshoes · 06/10/2021 10:39

What kind of a job is this where you work 7am to 8pm and all weekends without any holidays?