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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

OP posts:
Notmoresugar · 05/10/2021 21:05

...It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

@abersterol in answer to your question, can you not see here that because he's totally avoidant/in denial, he is taking the spotlight off himself/his issues by resorting to switching the blame/problem onto you and making you the bad guy in this.

That's a very low card to play in my book.

He'd rather split up with you than confide in you.

You're not old so do not waste your life on him, he's a time-waster and he's not genuine.

TerraNovaTwo · 05/10/2021 21:09

Ask yourself why the fuck this a-hole is worth all this stress and you're not worth more than this bullshit.

GentlemanJay · 05/10/2021 21:10

Time to move on I think.

FeeLock · 05/10/2021 21:25

I think he's got quite a lot of things he wants: a roof over his head, the status & security of a relationship, and a job he likes. Providing he continues to stonewall you as he does, he can probably continue with his easy life until you decide you've had enough of this and find someone who's actually willing to be in a grown-up relationship with you.

I honestly suggest you leave him. You're not his mother or his psychoanalyst, and you're certainly not his equal partner. I'm sure you'll be happier either on your own and making your own way, or teaming up with someone willing to put you first. This man isn't.

All good wishes. Flowers

fournonblondes · 05/10/2021 21:25

What are you doing with him? Things are not going to change. You deserve better.

Peridot1 · 05/10/2021 21:30

There is a reason he has not had a relationship longer than 3 months. They have all run for the hills. It’s not you. It’s him. And it doesn’t matter how nice and loving and patient you are. He cannot change. This is it. Doesn’t matter why. It just is. He is not relationship material. Not a proper relationship anyway.

Seriously. Take it from someone who has been there.

The longer you waste on him the more you are cutting your self off from potentially meeting someone who IS right.

anthurium · 05/10/2021 21:36

I'd also advise getting your fertility checked out at your GP/private fertility clinic. This may also influence you to leave sooner Op, should your results not be satisfactory, and give you perspective on TTC.

scoobydoo1971 · 05/10/2021 21:40

Run...for the hills...I would speculate he doesn't want sex in case he gets you pregnant and feels trapped by a relationship, and child. His reluctance to go on holiday is a huge red flag. You spend lots of time together, on his terms. That is not the basis for a future. Sex is a massive part of a relationship, especially early on. You cannot live your life in the hope he will change. Find someone else who has normal sexual interests, and wants children.

VenusTiger · 05/10/2021 21:43

@abersterol

I know why people are suggesting that he’s married or in love with someone else but it’s really not that. It just isn’t. I know this with certainty, it’s just not possible, I’m with him a lot and at random and he just isn’t it hasn’t been married. He’s never even had a relationship longer than 3 months
And his past partner (!) will have been through this too word for word - but gave up on his dick behaviour after a few months.

Stop wasting your life OP.

Bye bye weirdo BF.

EekGoesTheBaby · 05/10/2021 21:46

@aberstetol I promise I have some supportive words for you, but first I need to address this part of your OP: I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.
I just want to remind you and anyone reading this that when it comes to sex, no means no. He told you No, and you continued to pressure him. That's not right. It doesn't matter the gender of the person saying no or the reason. No means no.

That being said, your desire to be in a relationship that includes sex is completely reasonable. I don't know whether he's lying to you or to himself, but that simply isn't going to happen. You deserve better, and it sounds like you are a caring girlfriend who seeks to communicate well and build a meaningful connection. That means when you find someone who's on the same page as you you'll be well positioned for a loving and lasting relationship filled will mutual passion and mutual respect.

Your comments about loneliness are not weird at all. But as PP have said, you're already in a lonely relationship. Some short-term pain now could save you decades of loneliness, second-guessing yourself, missing out on a family, feeling like an afterthought rather than a priority, etc.

Use the opportunity of this incident/argument to end things. A few years down the road, you'll be thanking yourself that you did. Set yourself free and make room for better things to come into your life. Flowers

FlowerArranger · 05/10/2021 22:00

@Polmuggle

OP you have posted about this man SO MANY times in the last few months. Honestly I'm exhausted for you!

Either you're incredibly mismatched

Or he's lying to you.

There is no happy ending here. Please stop trying for your own sake.

Is this correct? I assume the responses will have been similar? So why, @abersterol, are you still with this man?

And why are you beating yourself up about what you (wrongly) perceive to be YOUR failings:
I guess in my irrational and anxiety filled moments I wonder if I am being demanding or unfair or making an issue out of nothing. If I hadn’t said anything then we would be fine now, happily making dinner and being intimate in other ways and just getting on with life. It makes me feel like I’ve been a drama Queen especially when he says I’ve been so hurtful he’s now reconsidering things

Why do feel that papering over the cracks by happily making dinner and being intimate in other ways (!!!) would be preferable to being on your own?

What is stopping you from dealing with YOUR issues rather than wasting your life banging on a door that will always remain firmly closed? Someone upthread suggested counselling, and I think this would be of great benefit to you.

ToffeeForEveryone · 05/10/2021 22:06

Do not stay with this man. If you want a family you need to move on.

jitterbugruby · 05/10/2021 22:13

@FlowerArranger Sometimes the pull of love can be so strong that people lose their sense of reality. Also sometimes the strong desire to love and care for others. which it sounds like the OP has for her partner, can unfortunately can leave people vulnerable and more easily abused.

BiLuminous · 05/10/2021 22:16

I was seeing a guy. I was 30, he was 40. Hes never had a gf, still hasnt 3 years later and has decided to remain single (I was his last shot at it). Never dated beyond a few weeks. He was also a bit odd in bed. Could do the sex but issues finishing.

Had loads of intimacy problems, and due to him going to an all-boys school where boys were abused, I suspect he was too. He denied it without me even asking it. Had he told me Id accept this no problem.

Perhaps theres some deep-seated issues going on, but if he doesnt know or cant tell you then Id move on.

CecilieRose · 05/10/2021 22:19

@Peridot1

There is a reason he has not had a relationship longer than 3 months. They have all run for the hills. It’s not you. It’s him. And it doesn’t matter how nice and loving and patient you are. He cannot change. This is it. Doesn’t matter why. It just is. He is not relationship material. Not a proper relationship anyway.

Seriously. Take it from someone who has been there.

The longer you waste on him the more you are cutting your self off from potentially meeting someone who IS right.

Yep. I was there too. Same story, no significant relationship history, little interest in sex, total refusal to talk about it. There's just no way it can ever go anywhere. I also had the 'you're so mean' stuff when I finally snapped and told him I couldn't deal with it anymore.

It was hard because he was otherwise a nice, kind man and we did do lots of fun things together, including travel (OP hasn't even got that) but I just knew deep down it was never going to go anywhere and I was wasting precious time.

I do miss him and I desperately wish it could have been different, because we did get along so well, but it just wasn't ever going to change. We were basically just friends.

Littlepaws18 · 05/10/2021 22:27

You need to listen to his actions not his words. He doesn't want sex, you know this because he won't have sex with you. I reckon the reason is him not you, it's either an insecurity or he simply doesn't like it. You can't change this. So can you live with it? If its sexless after a year, imagine a decade down the line, you will be barely hugging!

As for the holiday- again listen to his actions. He agrees with you to shut you up- then dies absolutely nothing about it in the hood you will never mention it again. The job is an excuse, in fact all his reasons are excuses.

My partner hood winked ne on the holiday thing. I've traveled the world and wanted a partner to do the same. He told me he was into travelling, 3 years in we have had two short breaks arranged by me, not outside Europe (which is relevant as my last break before I met him was to Antarctica!)

So... all you can do is either stay and accept lack of sex and lack of holidays or leave and find someone who is more in line with you.

I decided to stay and I have two holidays planned for the next 5 years- he has also accepted he has to suck it up and go every once in a while! I accept it can't be every year.

Or you can be like my gran and travel the world alone! My grandad point blank refused to leave the county!

VenusTiger · 05/10/2021 23:33

He'll climax with a BJ but not have sex further than a few minutes? - this could be porn related OP - he's dependant on porn.

Sakurami · 06/10/2021 00:05

You've been together nearly a year. He has a job that he can't take a day off and he can't have sex for whatever reason. He goes weeks without seeing you.

Seriously, why are you with him?

Don't waste any more time on him.

A relationship, especially at the beginning, should be amazing. In every way. Sure there may be a few little compromises but that's it.

Joystir59 · 06/10/2021 06:49

My ex husband loved BJs but no penetrative sex except sometimes from behind. Wouldn't touch me. He came out as gay eventually.

MadamMedea · 06/10/2021 06:56

OP this just isn’t the relationship for you. It’s not. He’s only half bothered about seeing you, he’s clearly never going to be into sex (which isn’t what you want, and also seriously scuppers any hope you have of kids one day), he’s a workoholic.

You haven’t ruined things, you’ve been honest about your needs for once and he’s not going to meet them. This relationship is dead in the water.

pictish · 06/10/2021 06:59

Haven’t read the thread through (sorry, I don’t have time) - but just wanted to chuck my tuppence worth in. Nah nah nah…why on earth are you accepting this awkward, bizarre and uncompromising bullshit?
Get shot of this one and find yourself someone you don’t have to counsel and nurse through a relationship. Seriously he sounds incredibly selfish and tedious, whatever the root cause of it is. Bollocks to that. You need a partner not a fucking project.

starrynight21 · 06/10/2021 07:06

Sounds like a closeted gay to me.

Alonghairinapie · 06/10/2021 07:07

Not read the whole thread.

I remember your post about his interview prep. I can’t believe you’re still with him.

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 06/10/2021 07:10

You haven't destroyed anything. You've told him that you're not happy with the relationship and quite frankly it's good to see that you finally told him! Why are you even bothering with this man? And why on earth do you keep giving him a BJ when you get nothing in return? Please walk away from this man and don't look back. You deserve so much more.

YukoandHiro · 06/10/2021 07:17

OP this sounds like a massive head tuck. Unless he's willing to be open about his issues and work on himself, which he clearly isn't, it's definitely not worth sticking around for. It's only going to get harder with time.

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