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Relationships after partner died

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TheFoundations · 03/10/2021 20:05

I wasn't sure whether to put this in the 'bereavement' section or here, but it's about new relationships, so here seems to make sense.

I had a partner about 20 years ago, who died of cancer. We were in our late 20s. We were together about a year. My partner was diagnosed terminally ill after we'd been together 5 months. I'm still very much in touch with the family, and we are all very dear to each other, having been through such a tough experience, all supporting each other.

I wonder how people generally would feel about this. I've had relationships since, some of whom have been uncomfortable with my connection with the family, uncomfortable with me mentioning my deceased partner, uncomfortable with my refusal to refer to them as an 'ex'.

Sometimes I talk about the past. My decease partner comes up in conversation occasionally, and their relatives are part of my life.

If you were considering a new relationship with someone in my position, how would you feel about it?

OP posts:
TheFoundations · 05/10/2021 20:44

@Alcemeg

How much am I defined by the experience, do you think, compared to all the other things that define me?

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Alcemeg · 05/10/2021 20:58

How much am I defined by the experience, do you think, compared to all the other things that define me?

I don't know, I was wondering that too. I suppose I'm thinking how much my identity for many years was defined by the relationship I'd had with my dad, and then as the years went by that all sort of faded away as other influences took hold, such as working environments. Water under bridge, etc. There have also been some very shocking/intense episodes that certainly shaped me in the past, but I never give any thought to them now. I guess your relationship with her family gives it ongoing relevance for you. I don't see why anyone would be jealous of your past relationship with the deceased, but I guess the nature of insecurity is that people get upset by all sorts of irrational things.

DameMaureen · 05/10/2021 21:10

@TheFoundations

I don't think this thread is anything like real life. It's not a cross section of opinions at all. I've never had anybody say stuff to me like I'm seeing here. My close friends all know who L was, and who her family are. Some of them knew her and have met her family. Apart from one verbally abusive partner, and one partner who looked sad but wouldn't talk about it, I've never had a negative response in all these years, about my grieving process, or about how often/the way in which I mention L. People are generally touched that something so sad happened and with so much love, and/or that I'm still close with her family

You asked how people would generally feel about this and you have been told . It IS a cross section of opinions but just ones that you don't like .Now you are saying that it isn't like his IRL possibly because the people around you are supportive /indulgent of you in this way BUT here you are seeing how people generally feel about this .

TheFoundations · 05/10/2021 21:16

I guess if someone thinks I'm too defined by the experience, I'll end the relationship. It's really not up for debate any more than how I handle any other past experience. Nor do I think it should be. If a partner is uncomfortable with or trying to redesign your emotional landscape, that's not a healthy relationship.

L has formed part of the shape of me, in some unpleasant ways whilst I was grieving, but now, in some really good ways. I wouldn't want to change that. She's one of many people who made me who I am. Her death is one of many experiences that made me who I am. I'm happy with that, she would be happy with that, and any future partner needs to be happy with that.

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TheFoundations · 05/10/2021 21:30

@DameMaureen

That's right. I should believe what MN tells me more than I believe my family, previous trusted partners, my trusted old friends, and my more recent friends, too. Great advice.

Maybe my friends aren't a cross section. I choose nicer people than those on this thread who say 'Get over it' and 'Shut up about it'.

Most of the thread is full of people who didn't answer the question I asked, much like yourself.

If you're claiming that MN is a reliable cross section of the public, you really don't know what you're talking about. It quite simply isn't.

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DameMaureen · 05/10/2021 21:42

[quote TheFoundations]@DameMaureen

That's right. I should believe what MN tells me more than I believe my family, previous trusted partners, my trusted old friends, and my more recent friends, too. Great advice.

Maybe my friends aren't a cross section. I choose nicer people than those on this thread who say 'Get over it' and 'Shut up about it'.

Most of the thread is full of people who didn't answer the question I asked, much like yourself.

If you're claiming that MN is a reliable cross section of the public, you really don't know what you're talking about. It quite simply isn't.[/quote]
YOU came here and asked for thoughts on it ? If you were happy with your friends and family thoughts WHY did you do that ? Looks like it was you who made a poor choice then ... you really are a rude one - ask your question , don't get the answers you want then start abusing everyone - maybe you are showing here what partners see in you when you get onto this subject IRL and that is why your relationships don't go anywhere .

TheFoundations · 05/10/2021 21:48

@DameMaureen

You clearly haven't read the full thread. You haven't answered the question I posted. I haven't been rude to anybody.

You really have no clue what you're talking about.

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DameMaureen · 05/10/2021 22:01

[quote TheFoundations]@DameMaureen

You clearly haven't read the full thread. You haven't answered the question I posted. I haven't been rude to anybody.

You really have no clue what you're talking about.[/quote]
Yes, you have been but you drape your comments carefully with your supercilious and demeaning little "pleasantries" so telling yourself you aren't . Answer your question ? It wouldn't be the history that would put me off but your character as displayed here. Best of luck ..

TheFoundations · 05/10/2021 22:03

@DameMaureen

Lets not date Wink

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altmember · 05/10/2021 23:16

[quote TheFoundations]@altmember

Nobody's going on about an ex, so you're creating a situation and answering about that, rather than answering the actual question that was asked.

@Sacredspace

Thank you, but I haven't asked for an analysis of my level of pain. I'm sure your comment comes from a kind place, but I'm through the grieving process. I asked 'What would you feel if a new partner occasionally mentioned a long-dead late partner'. Not sure what relevance your comment has?[/quote]
An ex is a partner you were with but no longer are. Whether they're still alive or not it doesn't really matter. It's to do with whether you're over them and capable of loving someone new. And I wouldn't consider someone who still talks regularly about a partner from an ancient, one year relationship to have their baggage packed away neatly and a space in their soul to love another properly. I don't want to play second fiddle to an ex.

You asked us if we were considering a new relationship with someone in your position how we would feel about it. I answered your question that to me they're an ex (or the same as an ex), and I would treat things the same way. I suspect most other people would too. That fact that you don't consider them to be an ex suggests to me that you haven't moved on/grieved completely and that would be a deal breaker for me.

JustLyra · 05/10/2021 23:27

Referring to a deceased partner as an ex is really disrespectful.

It’s a totally different situation to someone being an ex because a relationship ended.

TheFoundations · 05/10/2021 23:34

Thanks @altmember

Most people who've lost a partner don't like that partner to be referred to as an ex, so they'd probably do better than to date somebody who wasn't sensitive enough to the situation to get that.

It's to do with whether you're over them and capable of loving someone new

In your opinion. But don't say it like it's a fact. As someone who doesn't refer to my late partner as an ex, and has subsequently been in love, I can categorically say that this view of yours is not objective truth.

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luckyJasmin · 06/10/2021 00:02

I've RTFT.

Yes you mention her too much and also.... in some intimate ways? 'She used to do this... she is buried here.... her sister and I are very close'

It sound like you'd be with her if she was alive. And it would make a potential gf very wary. PLUS this was 20 years ago - even more wary that she is still in your head that much.

You can disagree all you want but it is clearly affecting your relationships and it's not just one potential gf who had an issue.

Sakurami · 06/10/2021 00:53

I don't know why you posted op. Unless it was to see if most people would agree with you.

You asked a question and most people said that they would be worried/unsure/unhappy about this. You don't agree with that so why ask?

KatMansfield6 · 06/10/2021 00:59

Has anyone here actually suffered a significant bereavement?

You.don’t.get.over.it. You learn to live with it and life grows around it but the experience and the love and grief doesn’t just go away, it’s part of who you are. Someone who loves you completely would accept that. There is no acceptable time to grieve for or acceptable response to loss. That said, OPs response to her loss is completely normal. 20 years is simply not that long when dealing with bereavement.

I work with bereaved people and this has really opened my eyes to the attitudes they must come into contact with daily. It is shocking really.

And just because OPs loss is part of who she is doesn’t mean she is incapable of living life now, or of loving someone else. In my experience people are capable of loving and honouring and remembering someone they have lost, and loving someone new.

timeisnotaline · 06/10/2021 01:10

@TheFoundations

To a girlfriend this could easily come across as if she's still loved so deeply by you, that they will always be second best to her memory

Surely this is their choice of perception though, and, just like with anybody who mis-perceives you emotionally, that's simply a relationship best avoided? I think I'm answering my own query, really. As I said, I have had relationships with some people who are quite comfortable with how L is placed in my memory, how often I do/don't talk about her, and her family being in my current life, so I just need to be with somebody who doesn't feel threatened by something about me that isn't threatening; somebody who sees my emotional landscape as it is, rather than imposing something onto it.

The comments are helpful because it clarifies the misperceptions, so thank you all.

Isn’t that exactly what you’re asking? How other people would perceive it? And a lot of people are telling you that someone you dated for a year 20 years ago who died coming up in conversation every few months sounds like candle territory and no one else will ever be as perfect. Have you taken girlfriends to the old girlfriends family events, out of interest?
timeisnotaline · 06/10/2021 01:12

@TheFoundations

Thanks *@altmember*

Most people who've lost a partner don't like that partner to be referred to as an ex, so they'd probably do better than to date somebody who wasn't sensitive enough to the situation to get that.

It's to do with whether you're over them and capable of loving someone new

In your opinion. But don't say it like it's a fact. As someone who doesn't refer to my late partner as an ex, and has subsequently been in love, I can categorically say that this view of yours is not objective truth.

This discussion is entirely about opinions and perceptions. People date people because of how they feel. People on this thread are telling you how they would feel. You: you’re all wrong and that’s not the facts and my ex girlfriends who felt the same were all wrong too stop sharing your OPINIONS Hmm
TheFoundations · 06/10/2021 03:52

@KatMansfield6

Has anyone here actually suffered a significant bereavement?

You.don’t.get.over.it. You learn to live with it and life grows around it but the experience and the love and grief doesn’t just go away, it’s part of who you are. Someone who loves you completely would accept that. There is no acceptable time to grieve for or acceptable response to loss. That said, OPs response to her loss is completely normal. 20 years is simply not that long when dealing with bereavement.

I work with bereaved people and this has really opened my eyes to the attitudes they must come into contact with daily. It is shocking really.

And just because OPs loss is part of who she is doesn’t mean she is incapable of living life now, or of loving someone else. In my experience people are capable of loving and honouring and remembering someone they have lost, and loving someone new.

Thank you for this. It's good to hear from a professional, who has experience of meeting lots of people in a similar position to me. Fortunately, as I said upthread, the attitudes represented here aren't what I've generally seen IRL. Many of them I've only seen once, in a gf who was verbally abusive towards me, about this and other subjects. We weren't together long.

PPs seem intent on telling me how I feel, and then when I explain that that's not the case, quizzing me on why I bothered asking if I'm not going to listen to what they're telling me. Totally missing the point that a) I don't have to smile and nod when they get it wrong, and b) I asked how they would feel given my behaviour, and not how they think I feel. The inaccurate armchair psychologists are rife, here.

There also seems to be an opinion on some posts throughout the thread that this is screwing my life and my relationships up; it isn't. Subsequent partners over 20 years have generally been kind, curious, and understanding. They've wanted me to be open about my feelings about L, and have understood, as you say, that it doesn't just 'go away'. According to PPs, this is because I've been indulged in my unhealthy way of thinking; I think it was just adults being adult.

I posted to get an understanding of why a couple of people IRL haven't 'got it', and I have gained that understanding. The thread has helped me to understand that the 'not getting it' mindset comes mostly from people who jump to conclusions about how I feel, and think I'm being rude if I correct them. I think, in real life, emotionally literate people simply filter these types out of their lives, so I've not really had much to do with them.

I hope that's the case for the bereaved people you work with, and for the most part, I'm sure it is.

For me, I think hearing your professional and experienced view on this concludes the thread. There have been a few others here who have understood or been in a similar position, but I think that might be enough for me of listening to other PPs tell me how I feel, in a negative, critical way, about something close to my heart. Being told by a professional that what I feel is normal nixes all the negativity here, and most of the previous posts. I hope that no bereaved people have the misfortune to come into a relationship with many of the attitudes here, or that PPs might feel differently if they actually met someone in my position.

Thank you again, @KatMansfield6. I really appreciate your post. And thank you all for posting. Even if we have disagreed, it has helped me to reach the understanding I was looking for when I posted.

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Alcemeg · 06/10/2021 10:02

There also seems to be an opinion on some posts throughout the thread that this is screwing my life and my relationships up; it isn't.
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I posted to get an understanding of why a couple of people IRL haven't 'got it'

I got the wrong end of the stick, then, because I just assumed you'd only start a thread about something if it was causing some kind of disruption in your life. That might explain the "armchair psychologists" here, including me!

If you really just wanted an answer to why a couple of people in 20-odd years haven't "got it" -- the answer is simple: Some people are just dumb. Don't waste your time worrying about them!

BatshitCrazyWoman · 06/10/2021 12:41

OP - even bereaved people themselves have posted with different views to your own. @KatMansfield6 cannot speak for them all!

I feel you've replied fulsomely to those in agreement with you, and have been prickly, at the very least, with those who don't. I also don't know why you've posted 🤷 But you seem happy that some people agree, and those that don't are in some way wrong.

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