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My DH is obsessed with the New World Order

237 replies

Electri · 29/09/2021 19:29

I need help.

He's bought thousands of pounds worth of equipment - including a machete, an axe, a crossbow and a pellet gun. If he could buy a real gun legally in England he would. I wouldn't be surprised if he bought one illegally.

He's obsessed with the banking industry collapsing, the internet being taken out and power going down. He says the masses aren't prepared because they trust the government too much.

He doesn't talk about anything else. He watches videos all day long on how to "prepare" for what's to come. And stuff from the world economic forum/ mark moss.

He keeps taking about people being shot in Australia and how that will come over here soon.

WWYD?

OP posts:
skeptile · 30/09/2021 07:48

Yes they have, echt. This is from June 2021, and 30,700 Victorians had left the state at that point. I can't find the more recent data showing ingress and egress of all states, but it is from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, and the data was released about a fortnight ago. It's now more than 40,000 Victorians that have left the state.

I don't know the numbers that have fled to regional, but I imagine it's also significant.

www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/victorian-residents-fleeing-the-state-in-droves-according-to-new-abs-data/news-story/adf1429253d714d4bfe62fa8c08d9d4c

Sorry for the derail.

PersonaNonGarter · 30/09/2021 07:52

@TheChip

Its better to be over prepared than under prepared. This is quite a common thing now for people to be joining the preppers bandwagon. Yes, he may be deep in his thoughts about where the world is headed, but that doesn't make him dangerous or mentally unwell. It sounds to me like he is prepping incase they have to live in those tents he bought, and the weapons are more for hunting etc. Not against people.
But the OP said he doesn’t talk about anything else? He is obsessive and clearly mentally unwell and armed.

I live in the countryside and have grown up around shooting and fishing. The idea that suburban men armed with a crossbow are somehow better prepared for the apocalypse is ludicrous fantasy on their part.

This isn’t extra loo roll and some pasta and paracetamol to see him to the other side of trouble. It’s pretend shit about politician and shadowy crap that appeals to the James Bond survivalist in him - and it’s dangerous.

skeptile · 30/09/2021 07:53

echt here is a more recent article, with a graph showing Victoria's unique decline. thepropertytribune.com.au/buying-selling/south-east-queensland-booms-as-victorians-pack-their-bags/

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/09/2021 07:55

@MilesOfSand

There’s a world of difference in having a few extra supplies in the case of power cuts or natural disasters (dependent on where you live) and this.
This, in spades! I could not live with someone who had lost touch with reality. Total dealbreaker for me. It must be exhausting, OP. Please seriously consider moving out and getting your life back.
MrsBobDylan · 30/09/2021 07:55

He is mentally ill, very ill. You are in danger op. Everyone else is in danger too if you don't report it.

He has bought weapons because he has thought about when and where he would 'need' to use them.

You really have a duty to tell someone that he is mentally unstable and has bought three lethal weapons.

Also, stock piling loo rolls and tins of beans (unless there is some lethal usage for both I don't know about?) is irrelevant.

MrsBobDylan · 30/09/2021 07:59

As for using the weapons to hunt animals? I don't know where op lives but I can't imagine many places in the uk where he could use a fucking crossbow to kill a rabbit without endangering a person. We have the least amount of forested land in Europe ffs.

I'm waiting to hear about him walking down Basildon High Street wielding a cross bow and axe and hoping to kill a brown bear.

bumblingbovine49 · 30/09/2021 08:02

@Pebble21uk

I think it's quite a MN response to immediately think mental health crisis, phone the GP, get support etc. I also think that is quite a middle class, Middle England response.

At the risk of being shot down in flames, like the previous poster, I think there is currently quite a large minority of people who do feel unsure of the future and are looking for some kind of pro-active move to quell their own anxiety and gain some control in an uncontrolled world.
I really don't think that prepping per-se is a mental illness, much of it is in fact very prudent. Even owning an axe or a crossbow is legal and more common than some on here may think... only you OP know by how much this has all changed your husband and what his intentions for these weapons are! They may be indeed be nefarious and you are right to be concerned - have you discussed that with him?

And for balance - I am not a conspiracy theorist, I am double-vaxxed and I'm a middle-class, Middle Englander. I wouldn't trust this government to do the right thing by anybody but themselves though!

I agree with this
Irish993 · 30/09/2021 08:10

"If he could buy a real gun legally in England he would. I wouldn't be surprised if he bought one illegally."

That's the main part. You think he's willing to throw away his freedom (and therefore your security) to own an illegal weapon. I'd leave.

Prepping is fine. Many countries advise having extra supplies just in case. But when it turns to weapons and conspiracy theories, rather than disaster prepping, that's when you're in dangerous mental health crisis territory.

If youcre afraid to talk to him reasonably about it, you need to leave. At that point, you've lost him. If you do leave, please do it as safely and publically as possible. Get family members to be with you.

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 30/09/2021 08:14

I work in mental health and my first thought was that he may be psychotic

Prepping is not a mental illness
However his utter obsession with this as described by OP that he can speak of nothing else and his belief that he is personally at high risk such that he is buying weapons appear delusional to me

The other thing would be whether this is out of character. If it's a new obsession and he did not think like this before then it is very reasonable to be worried he is mentally ill.

Lots of people have got more worried about the world and been buying stuff post pandemic
But equally lots of people are having a first episode of major mental illness due to the unprecedented stress. We are seeing this in our services.

OP definitely take him to the GP
Or do you have 111 option 2 mental health crisis number in your area?

UsedUpUsername · 30/09/2021 08:22

@TheLeadbetterLife

I’ve never understood the preppers’ obsession with gold. It’s a shiny metal, you can’t eat it. It has value only because humans collectively agree that it does, exactly like fiat currency.
I suppose it comes from the idea you can’t inflate gold supply or whatever. I mean, I’d invest in gold too, did you read about all those bars of gold the Taliban supposedly found in homes of bigwigs from the former admin?

If people in unstable third world countries hoard it … 😂 it’s probably the first thing chucked into their choppers

andyoldlabour · 30/09/2021 08:22

MrsBobDylan

I live in the South of England in a semi rural village. Two months ago the headless body of a deer was found in woodland nearby. It was killed using a high velocity rifle. Trophy hunters. What kind of mindset has that person got?
I think the OP has reason to worry about their OH. There is so much conspiracy theory going around at the moment, some people have been tipped over the edge.

allsorts1 · 30/09/2021 08:38

@elbea that's the thing isn't it, the closer you are to power the more you realise how ridiculous the notion that anyone could manage to organise any of the outcomes proposed by conspiracy theories is. I really feel like this is a side effect of rising inequality as well, if everyone had a friends mum who worked for the UN say, they'd be a lot less suspicious of the "global cabal" and realise its by and large a bunch of bureaucrats trying to do their best and or hold on to a cushy job.

OP I really feel for you. Not quite the same level but my parents have really gone down hill in the last few years and watch a lot of YouTube garbage and believe that the Pope himself is a Marxist satanist and that the UN SDGs are designed to steal property off homeowners, covid is invented etc. It's really sad and I can't speak sense to them. But they're my parents so I'm rather stuck with them, you however can leave! That's what I would do but it's obviously much harder in practice isn't it. Sending you luck.

Stravaig · 30/09/2021 08:51

Echo the advice about contacting GP and/or police, and preparing to split up. Your own safety and wellbeing comes first. Even as a hobby which has spiralled out of control via dodgy internet sources, gravitating toward weapons would bother me.

Beyond a few weeks supplies, which is sensible for everyone, being prepared for the uenexpected is less about stuff, more about practical skills and psychological resilience. So you could try being very dry and matter-of-fact with him, see if it redirects his focus. Only if you want to, this not your job.

So. Is he a generally competent person around the house? Does he keep his family and home clean, fed and organised, while he still has power and water and safe streets? If not, he should probably practice this first. Can he carry out basic household repairs: not just leaking tap, change tyre, fix shelf; but also sew buttons, change a broken zip, darn jumpers? How are his first aid skills? Not a fancy kit, but thorough, recent, accredited training in what to do in all common eventualities. Is he as healthy as he could be, eats sensibly, fit and active? Somewhere online there's an account of a group of preppers in America doing a dry run of societal collapse at someone's ranch - they spent crucial survival days painfully detoxing from their various addictions - alcohol, cigarettes, caffeine, sugar. Is he on any medications which would be reduced or eliminated if he ate and moved differently?

Just for starters. Lots and lots to tackle, most of it helpful to family and society in the meantime, and none of it involves massive stockpiles or weaponry.

Sobering accounts from those who lived through civil war in Eastern Europe might be another wake up call. Pulling together, forging communities was important; lone wolves didn't fare well.

Hopeisnotastrategy · 30/09/2021 08:57

@Tana433

Honestly, leave him to it. You might be grateful in a few months. Im not saying i believe in all that but the way the world is going it wouldnt surprise me at all. We would all benefit from being a bit more of the prepared mindset. Maybe not to this extreme but i dont think there is any harm in keeping it in your thoughts for future reference we dont know what is going to happen none of us possess a crystal ball do we?
...would be an appropriate answer if he were hoarding tins of soup.

Not weapons.

Fifteentoes · 30/09/2021 09:07

Thing is, he's probably only wrong on questions like timescale, organisation and how much use a machete is actually going to be. As a more general principle, the idea that the western world is heading towards catastrophic societal and ecological collapse seems like nothing more than a reasonable apprehension of reality to me.

WWII and the holocaust were 80 years ago, plenty of other diastrous turns of humanity in China, Cambodia etc. more recent than that. Parts of the world right now still consist of anarchy, failed states, war zones etc. Where do people get this idea that the particular structures of the civilization we know and take for granted are immune to change?

PersonaNonGarter · 30/09/2021 09:12

@Fifteentoes you paint a picture of inevitable societal collapse, but we have literally just lived through a global pandemic in which Amazon was still delivering. The inevitability is questionable.

Apocalyptic cults or thinking have always been popular. And it sounds as though those ideas also appeal to people on this thread.

But the OP’s DH is disproportionately applying this crap to his own life because he is mentally unwell.

elbea · 30/09/2021 09:25

@allsorts1 exactly, I have worked for a number of billionaires as I manage estates. One of them is regularly mentioned in all of the conspiracies as controlling the world. If they were plotting to overthrow the world they’d need masses of people enacting it. They were more interested in their harvest yields, the foals born at the race yards, how the roses were doing, walking their dogs and making sure there was always a supply of hot chocolate and Diet Coke. Knowing their diaries and them, I don’t know when they’d have the time.

MimiDaisy11 · 30/09/2021 09:31

I hate the absolutes some in support of the husband have on this thread. The two options aren’t prepare for Apocalypse or 100% trust the government. I’m quite interested in living out in the wilderness and have read some books and watched videos on what to do for shelter etc. I think it’s fine to have such an interest but it’s when it’s mixed with global conspiracy and an obsession

Sorry OP. It sounds tough.

Naunet · 30/09/2021 09:35

@Hen2018

Indeed. But no reason to get aerated over a pellet gun. As I said, you need a paper trail quickly so it would be impossible for him to get a shotgun licence.
Pellet guns can be really powerful these days, they can do some real damage.
Marjoriedrawers · 30/09/2021 09:47

I'm concerned that this has become normalised with you but keep in mind stockpiling weapons is usually how extremist right wing terrorism starts.

UsedUpUsername · 30/09/2021 09:49

[quote PersonaNonGarter]@Fifteentoes you paint a picture of inevitable societal collapse, but we have literally just lived through a global pandemic in which Amazon was still delivering. The inevitability is questionable.

Apocalyptic cults or thinking have always been popular. And it sounds as though those ideas also appeal to people on this thread.

But the OP’s DH is disproportionately applying this crap to his own life because he is mentally unwell.[/quote]
Amazon delivering is not proof we could survive a collapse. I think the word collapse is too evocative. If something happens it could be a slow whine, can’t get this or that anymore, adjust adjust. Nothing to get a machete out for 😂

The ‘pandemic’, as it was, didn’t affect the young or healthy. It would have been far worse if it did actually kill young, productive people in significant numbers. We kind of shot ourselves in the foot trying to kill a spider really.

I think the supply chain disruptions are going to be scarier (but really hope I’m wrong) and if they come, it will be sadly manmade due to overreaction from COVID.

itsahardknocklive · 30/09/2021 09:57

Lovely thread and a sad indictment on the state of this country.

Firstly, OP, you're being over the top. Is he not giving you enough attention? Is that really what you're problem is?

Secondly, for the majority of the other posters.....get a grip.

Thirdly, Australian Police are shooting people, with rubber bullets. BBC won't show you it, but there are other sources of news. Suggest you do research outside of mumsnet.

itsahardknocklive · 30/09/2021 10:01

@Marjoriedrawers

I'm concerned that this has become normalised with you but keep in mind stockpiling weapons is usually how extremist right wing terrorism starts.
There are zero examples of right wing terrorism using machetes or crossbow, but nice hyperbole

If he's prepping properly the crossbow and machete are for getting food. They're pretty poor weapons.

Scarcity20 · 30/09/2021 10:09

Op I don't see you being in any danger here. The sad part is he's right. There's something awful going on here. And like others have said there's nothing wrong with being prepared! But if it's making you miserable and you don't want to know then that's up to you.
If you don't know whats going on in Australia then ask yourself why you don't know. Everything is censored on line, in the media, social media especially. You have to go looking to find the information. But it is all out there for those who want to know.
If you don't want him send him my way 😂😂

Marjoriedrawers · 30/09/2021 10:13

@itsagardknocklive

Care to back that up with evidence rather than personal opinion?