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TW! Partner touched me sexually against my wishes

178 replies

DietCokeChipsAndMayo · 20/09/2021 19:23

Created this account because I love to read here and I definitely don’t want to talk to anyone in real life about this but I feel like I need some clarity

Basically earlier today my partner pinned me down in sort of a ‘play fighting’ kind of way which he does regularly and I never particularly enjoy because he’s so much bigger and stronger than me and IMO always just goes a little bit too far, but this time he’d been trying to initiate sex and I didn’t want to but he managed to get me into a position I couldn’t move from and put his fingers inside me and started attempting to masturbate me (I’m so sorry if this is TMI!) despite my protests
I kept telling him to get off and take his fingers out but he wouldn’t, I actually ended up clawing and pinching his face and refusing to let go until he’d moved his hand (I could only reach his face)
I honestly don’t know how I feel
He seems to think it was all funny and playful and fine, (I think he thinks as we’re a couple he can touch me whenever he wants) and is basically making me feel like I’m overreacting
He apologised but said he could see I was being moody so he’s sorry
Tbh I’ve been a bit tearful on and off for the rest of the afternoon which is very unlike me, but I’ve had to be normal around him because it’s like he’s already forgot it happened it was so insignificant to him
And we do have quite a touchy feely relationship, he regularly touches my bum and things all day long so I can almost see why he thinks this was in a similar vein, I just feel a bit … I don’t know, sick tbh!!

OP posts:
Shehasadiamondinthesky · 20/09/2021 21:18

I would get out of there immediately, this is all kinds of wrong.
Nobody should pin you down against your will and nobody has the right to touch you without your consent.
This is a sexual assault and WILL escalate.

DebbieHarrysCheekbones · 20/09/2021 21:22

@Shelddd

There definitely is implied consent in a romantic relationship especially cohabitation with kids. You don't have to verbally ask to grope your partner, kiss them, etc.... But implied consent absolutely goes away when they tell you to stop. Which you did several times and you did very strongly. There was no room for interpretation. His behavior is very concerning. Not sure how long ago it was but it might even be worthy of filing a police report as it will help when it comes time for divorce and custody.
I think I get what you are trying to say but no no no to implied consent Implied consent doesn’t exist. A relationship, cohabitation, marriage, kids the kitchen sink does not and never should obviate the need for any assumptions. Especially given that rape within marriage or those situations is illegal. I also find this implied consent notion sits way too closely to the men who rape women and get away with it because they thought she was saying yes

So no.
Implied consent is an entirely regressive and misogynistic notion

EarthSight · 20/09/2021 21:22

@DietCokeChipsAndMayo

Thankyou all for the replies They haven’t been easy to read tbh EarthSight yours in particular was very sobering and I found myself nodding along and relating with every single point quite frighteningly Mummyoflittledragons you’re right it is escalating, I genuinely hadn’t even realised; there was no ‘play fighting’ at the beginning of the relationship I don’t know when that even started, I’m fairly sure he wasn’t as grabby and touchy throughout the day at the beginning either I just don’t understand why?! Why at this point in our life would he start to be like this?! Don’t men just want a quiet happy life?! Leftbutcameback you’re right it feels like a huge thing to change everything for such a minor moment in the day, and I know that’s how he’ll make me feel about it too

Thankyou all for taking the time to respond I appreciate every one

I'm so sorry OP.

It's surreal when someone you've been with a long time does something to violate you. It will turn you upside down, but you will eventually find your feet again but the first step is to get out.

Why at this point in our life would he start to be like this?!

There is a tendency for most people to try and find sound logic to these kinds of situations, because if you can understand a problem, you feel as if you have some degree of control over it or think you'll be able to fix it. Sometimes there is no clear logic behind someone else's emotions, or not reasoning that makes sense to most people. I will outline some possible whys, and do so only in the hope that one of them will start ringing more alarm bells for you and spur you into action.

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Sometimes things like this happen because the man has had sexual assault fantasies for a long time. They've simmered in the background, mostly because he knows that his partner would find them abhorrent, and maybe they're not that important to him anyway. The woman might not have been given much of a clue about it, except maybe times where he held her wrists too hard when they were having sex, or he like certain positions which she found degrading but she was willing to put up with to keep him happy. They mostly simmer under control until something changes. Sometimes it's because he's started to watch rape porn, or porn that is more and more extreme, and then starts pushing boundries until he does end up sexually assaulting his partner.

Sometimes it's a nasty build-up of nasty resentment. Instead of dealing with it, they bury it deep where it becomes twisted and comes out in cruelty later. It's vengeance for the fact they cannot fix or control what's bothering them, or what they're really angry about. Some men, despite the fact they wanted to have children, are very angry at the fact that they're now supposed to be settled and cannot go shagging around any more. Inside, they blame their partners for the fact they've had to give up their youth and will punish you for it.

In another type of scenario, a certain type of man who feels emasculated by their female partner will try to dominate them in some way. It could be belittling her in front of their friends, it could be taking more and more control over her finances, it could be testing boundaries and play-flighting as he's been doing with you.

'Why on earth would he feel emasculated by little old me?', many women would wonder. Some women who cannot match their partner's job or pay will be his equal (or more) in the intelligence or personality department.

That might be fine for years, until one day, he doesn't like it so much any more. He wants to feel dominant in every way - a few areas just won't do. He wants to be king of the castle and grows more and more entitled. He feels entitled to his partner's body, and doesn't like it one bit when she says no, because he doesn't like rejection and it's a challenge to his perceived power. Some poor women end up completely smothered in life because that power is like a drug for a lot of those men - once they taste a little bit they want more and more until the woman doesn't recognise herself any more, and she is a subordinate party in her own marriage. What started out as a fairly respectful partnership of equals can end up very lop-sided because the man has developed a taste for having his little wifey whenever he wants.

Then there's simply a lack of empathy - a lot of people confuse charm politeness as being the same thing as being a nice person. They're not. They're often superficial and some it can be self-serving. Some people know how to display certain characteristics in order to get what they're after.

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I understand it's not simple, but would you consider the idea that you're starting to hear the alarm bells, but you're not hearing them properly yet?

In the midst of taking the kids to school, eating your cereal, washing your hair, going to work and all of life's small detail, it's so easy to think 'I'm not in any danger here'.

Ok, maybe you're not in life threatening danger (maybe), but I think you're in danger of being violated again.

By staying, despite how upset you get about this, the message he will receive is 'My partner is the type of woman who puts up with being sexually assaulted....because despite how upset she was.....she's still here.....isn't she?'

It's awful to think that, but that is how a lot of boundry-pushers think like. They will push until someone breaks.

DebbieHarrysCheekbones · 20/09/2021 21:23

Obviate the need for any assumptions to NOT take place that should read
Don’t know what happened there

Dragongirl10 · 20/09/2021 21:26

Op l am so sorry this is so seriously wrong.

Do not let him minimise this, l would leave my marriage of 20 years if my DH ever pinned me down and /or did that.

Booklover2021 · 20/09/2021 21:27

@PomBearWithoutHerOFRS

He sexually assaulted you lovey. You are not overreacting or "being moody" - he did that, against your will! It was not your fault. He is a grade A twat. You need time to process what happened, and decide what to do.It's a big thing, especially if you share motgage/tenancy, have children and so on. Can you go stay with your Mam, or a friend to give you some space? You need to think about reporting him too. This was assault. Try not to get overwhelmed by it all, and have some time to think. We're here to listen, and lots of people here will be able to offer practical advice if you need it.
I have to echo everything said here. He's sexually assaulted you and I am so sorry this has happened to you. Please reach out to friends or family and get some support x
EarthSight · 20/09/2021 21:28

Also, what I'm concerned about here, is not just what happened to you, which is enough shit to deal with just by itself.

I'm concerned that you are being gaslit into accepting this sort of situation, and that will really fuck-up your sense of what's right & wrong. It will make you doubt yourself.

I'm concerned that this will end up in 'Yes, it was awful, but he did admit finally that it was wrong, had cried and apologised'.....and then you will probably end up on the same path as many traumatised women. You have children? Just imagine the horror you would feel if your daughter came home saying her boyfriend did this to her. Would you be a-ok with them seeing each other after that? Having her boyfriend sit on your sofa with you???

Your husband is pathetic btw. No wonder he had no answer when you challenged him. He knew exactly what it was. He can't give you an answer because it's a lie that even he can't believe.

Lalliella · 20/09/2021 21:30

I’m really sorry OP, your partner is an abusive cunt who has sexually assaulted you. He needs to acknowledge the seriousness of what he has done. I would be telling him to leave if I was in your position.

Fivefourthreetwo · 20/09/2021 21:32

I've been in exactly the same position and I left him. Best thing I ever did. 🌺

CBroads · 20/09/2021 21:46

First of all he's a pig, an entitled disgusting pig.
He knows exactly what he did and had every intention of doing it whether you liked it or not.

If your daughter came to you and said something similar had happened to her would your answer still be "it's too complicated to leave"?

Sarahlou63 · 20/09/2021 21:49

When - not if - it happens again, don't fight back because he'll interpret it as 'play fighting'.

Go limp. Say in a loud, clear voice "I do NOT want this. This is ASSAULT. If you have sex with me now it is RAPE. Do you understand me."

If he does carry on then you must report it, no question.

NowEvenBetter · 20/09/2021 21:50

Be glad you don’t understand the thought process of a sex offender. Don’t try to, he’s scum of the earth. If you don’t want to report the attack, can you start looking in to finding somewhere safe for you and the kids to live? Urgently. Do NOT show the sex offender the thread, jfc, dreadful suggestion from a PP.

Cimone · 20/09/2021 22:00

Flatly, he sexually assaulted you. This is grounds for a divorce or a split. He does not respect your boundaries and has REPEATEDLY violated them with zero regard for what you say you want done to your body. Your dude has a rapist mentality and is a dangerous man. You should be planning to get away from him as far as you can. And to make sure no young girls or female children are EVER alone with him. He enjoys using his power against smaller, weaker beings and thinks the crap is funny!!!! You should really consider filing a police report on him for sexual assault. once a woman says STOP or NO! a man is supposed to immediately cease and desist whatever he is doing to her. He didn't and pinned you down like a rapist would do. I am not sure how you don't see that this is what happened to you. If any other man did it, wouldn't you clearly understand that you were assaulted? So why not him?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 20/09/2021 22:01

Don’t men just want a quiet happy life?!

Abusive men want women to be quiet and themselves to be happy.

He broke the law as well as your trust by sexually assaulting you. He committed a serious sexual assault.

If you have daughters, I hope to god if they came to him as adults and said their partner penetrated them with their fingers while they clawed at his face to try desperately to get them to stop, he wouldn't say 'well you're in a relationship and let him do it other times so what's the difference?'

Because the difference is CONSENT. Don't for one second let him convince you he thought you consented / were playing. You had to claw at a man to try desperately to get him to stop sexually assaulting you. It doesn't matter if that man is a husband or a stranger. In fact the shock of the perpetrator being someone who supposedly loves you and you should be able to trust adds an additional layer of headfuck to this.

This is a clear sexual assault. In fact I would be getting him to admit to it in writing, maybe through a text, so you have written evidence he acknowledges what happened in case you need that at a later date.

You must leave this man. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 20/09/2021 22:03

@altmember

I was a bit surprised to read that you'd been together 14 years and make it sound like this is a 'first offence'. That seems rather odd behaviour to have suddenly developed after all this time. The play fighting is one thing, but it's a significant leap to go on to sexual assault.

So if you've an otherwise good relationship, and if he's showing contrition, then it may be possible to forgive this as a one off thing. If he tries to trivialise or excuse his behaviour or it ever happens again, then it's definitely time to separate and report him.

He penetrated her body while she clawed at his face telling him to stop. Are you kidding?! How is that something she should be encouraged to forgive?! Even if it's a one off? I'm baffled you could suggest it is in any way a safe relationship to be in despite the fact he sexually assaulted her.
Faevern · 20/09/2021 22:05

While I understand you feel you can not just leave or ask him to but you simply must contact some of the helplines advised on here. You need to speak to someone other than your husband, someone objective who knows how to support you.

DrSbaitso · 20/09/2021 22:11

Well it wasn't "play" fighting.

FreakinFrankNFurter · 20/09/2021 22:13

Op, there is a world of difference between a bit of tickling and play fighting even as a lead up to sex compared with what your H did to you. He is disgusting. He sexually assaulted you. He can't even pretend he thought it was all part of the game and you were actually willing, you were actually scratching his bloody face. Angry

I'm sorry op.

EKGEMS · 20/09/2021 22:17

@altmember I think your advice is minimizing marital rape/sexual assault. Would you give that same advice if your daughter,sister or mother came to you and told you what the OP posted? I doubt it

Abigail12345654321 · 20/09/2021 22:19

@altmember

I was a bit surprised to read that you'd been together 14 years and make it sound like this is a 'first offence'. That seems rather odd behaviour to have suddenly developed after all this time. The play fighting is one thing, but it's a significant leap to go on to sexual assault.

So if you've an otherwise good relationship, and if he's showing contrition, then it may be possible to forgive this as a one off thing. If he tries to trivialise or excuse his behaviour or it ever happens again, then it's definitely time to separate and report him.

Abuse can start at any point in a relationship.

The fact that the Op questioned herself about whether it was serious is an indication that she’s in an unhealthy relationship. Try re-reading the Op’s account again. Forgive him? He held her down while she clawed his face and told him to stop and yet he ignored her and then pretended to forget about it? And doubted herself because she believed he technically had the right to assault her. That sounds like 14 years into a less than healthy dynamic, not a first offence.

What an absurd suggestion to forgive him.

Scautish · 20/09/2021 22:25

This type of man makes me so so angry

He is disgusting and abusive and is absolutely going to minimise and make you feel silly for even thinking it could be assault.

Absolutely nothing about what he did was acceptable. It was him asserting himself and keeping you down. Now he’s doing it verbally. But he’ll do it sexually again.

Do not tolerate this - I’d report to police. I wish I had.

Chloemol · 20/09/2021 22:29

It’s not ok, it IS assault

If you don’t want to leave him fine, but it will happen again unless he is prepared to respect your boundaries and accept when you say no he stops

Personally I would stop the touchy freely, i can’t think of anything more awful than constantly being touched

If you are staying you need to set clear boundaries with him

SweetBabyCheeses99 · 20/09/2021 22:33

This was a criminal offence - assault by penetration. He wasn’t even able to think of an excuse! I think you need to get you and your kids OUT for your own safety.

Notthemessiah · 20/09/2021 22:42

I often read these kind of threads and think the responses to ltb are over the top. Not this time.

cheeseismydownfall · 20/09/2021 22:57

@Heruka

Don’t show him this thread, OP, I think that’s really bad advice from PP. I think Earthsight is spot on and that there is a strong likelihood that he will do this again, and that his degrading attitude towards you is more significant/risky than you would like to face. I’d imagine you would be able to pin down points where he has breached your boundaries before and this is a pattern of escalation. Showing him the thread and his knowing you are being advised to consider reporting him to the police, is not a wise move, even if that’s not on your radar just now. I’m sorry OP, this must be so distressing. I am also hearing/hoping that perhaps there is also some benefit for you in being validated - you knew people would respond in this way because you know this is not ok. Flowers
Actually you are right @Heruka. I take back my advice. I think I was thinking more of the scenario that does crop up on here, of men who are gropey and inappropriate don't realise the impact of their behaviour. I think that some men who behave in this way would be genuinely mortified to have a mirror held up to their behaviour.

But the incident described by the OP goes much beyond this. It seems almost impossible that this man is unaware of how very, very wrong his behaviour is - and if he is already aware, and is doing it anyway... well, there is no other choice than to get as far away from him as possible.