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WIBU to not go on this date...

174 replies

originalsins · 13/09/2021 19:31

NC'd for this.

Been chatting to someone through OLD who seems lovely. No red flags thus far. Going for a drink on Sunday.

They have just disclosed that they are medicated for depression and bi-polar.

For (important) context, my previous relationship was with someone who had significant MH issues, but kept them 'hidden' from me, and would not consider addressing them when they did finally bubble to the surface. No meds, no talking therapies, nothing. I was really very hurt by this person and it has taken me a really long time to heal.

I know this is not AIBU, but WIBU to not go on a date with this new person because of their MH issues, despite the fact they are medicated? I'm not sure I could cope with needing to be a support.

OP posts:
gannett · 15/09/2021 07:41

@NotAntiVax

You WNBU to cancel for any reason.

But as someone with bipolar (medicated and stable), I can say it probably took a lot for him to tell you this.

No one is responsible for anyone else’s mental health and I understand your previous experience has put you off. But I can tell you it’s extremely hurtful to be thought of as “crazy” right off the bat without actual cause. It’s also slightly ignorant on the part of the person passing judgement without knowing the whole story. I’ve been on the receiving end of people assuming things about me. My family who don’t understand still think I’m making it up. I was godmother to my friends baby and babysat frequently (with no issues) until my diagnosis and then his partner decided I was too “mental” to look after their child. I was told at college that I would never pass my course (I did, with flying colours).

I was undiagnosed for a long time and therefore unmedicated. I then got my diagnosis and settled on the right medication. I’m now almost finished an honours degree in social work and I’m pregnant with my first baby. I’ve been stable for about 7 years, I have the odd low day but nothing like I was when I was really ill.

I’m forever shocked at the judgement on MN when it comes to mental illness. Posters perpetuating the ongoing stigma people with mental health issues suffer.

It’s up to you obviously but you could be missing out on a really great person.

Great post and well done to you @NotAntiVax

As I think everyone has said, you can turn down a date for ANY reason at all including this. But you should at least do so with kindness. And all the posters who have given advice along the lines of "ewww I'd run a mile!!!!" would do well to read this post and think about the prejudiced assumptions they're making.

thedancingbear · 15/09/2021 08:41

@NotAntiVax

You WNBU to cancel for any reason.

But as someone with bipolar (medicated and stable), I can say it probably took a lot for him to tell you this.

No one is responsible for anyone else’s mental health and I understand your previous experience has put you off. But I can tell you it’s extremely hurtful to be thought of as “crazy” right off the bat without actual cause. It’s also slightly ignorant on the part of the person passing judgement without knowing the whole story. I’ve been on the receiving end of people assuming things about me. My family who don’t understand still think I’m making it up. I was godmother to my friends baby and babysat frequently (with no issues) until my diagnosis and then his partner decided I was too “mental” to look after their child. I was told at college that I would never pass my course (I did, with flying colours).

I was undiagnosed for a long time and therefore unmedicated. I then got my diagnosis and settled on the right medication. I’m now almost finished an honours degree in social work and I’m pregnant with my first baby. I’ve been stable for about 7 years, I have the odd low day but nothing like I was when I was really ill.

I’m forever shocked at the judgement on MN when it comes to mental illness. Posters perpetuating the ongoing stigma people with mental health issues suffer.

It’s up to you obviously but you could be missing out on a really great person.

Thank you for posting this @NotAntiVax, and you've articulated so much better what I and others have been trying to get across on this thread. I'm glad to hear you're doing well.

Other posters should note her last paragraph - it's up to you. Wankerish straw man comments about the 'dating tribunal' and suchlike seek to deliberately misrepresent what others are saying. It's a pretty repellent line to take around a subject as sensitive and stigmatised as mental health. You are doing nothing but perpetuating those stigmas, and you know it.

MuffinsAreJustCakesAtBreakfast · 15/09/2021 09:25

@originalsins

You are not a terrible human being for not wanting to carry on romantic activity after finding out such information.

If you don't want to get involved further then don't. That's fine. Perhaps sad for the other person but....you are not obliged to do anything you don't want to.

ThenIHadAGo · 15/09/2021 10:13

I have HFA. I've never managed a long term relationship. Not a healthy one anyway. I had one before I was diagnosed and it was a nightmare for both of us because we didn't know.

However, now I always tell anyone I meet fairly early on. I understand my meltdown triggers, my needs and my limitations far better than I used to but I'm also aware of the limitations that puts on another person, the extra layer of understanding that requires of someone else, the extra layer of 'tolerance', the extra layer of planning and the extra consideration and disruption, the extra communication requirements etc.

No one has ever dumped me for it but I always reject them because they either haven't understood and it's too stressful for me or because my autism becomes the main feature of the relationship and their understanding leads them to question "Is that because of your autism?" everything I express a preference or a dislike for something or just because the communication isn't what I need. And that's before you even consider that men aren't very often attracted to me once they get to know me because I look nice but I'm a "bit odd" and my 'oddness' puts them off before the dating stage.

I dated one man who asked me if I was autistic on the first date because he'd previously dated an autistic woman and recognised me because of it. I had high hopes for that but he made autism too much of a thing. Like he was dating autism and I was just the vehicle for it. On reflection, I think he was trying to be understanding but I couldn't cope with it.

I read about autistic women who date successfully but I haven't managed it. Otherwise, I function well. I mask well. I have friends, a job, children, I'm intelligent and educated but something about my autism makes me virtually undateable - at least in a long term sense.

I keep being told that one day I'll meet someone and it will just work because they'll get me. But now I'm into middle age, I meet men who are less knowledgeable, more set in their ways, less tolerant and it seems less not more likely that i will meet someone.

I think I'm a lovely girlfriend but that is not how I'm experienced by others evidently! It's a shame but I don't have the right to a relationship. No one should be forced to tie themselves up in knots to manage being with me.

It is obviously 'discrimination' but I don't see itnas a negativenthing on their part. I understand that a relationship should be a positive experience and if being with me, or the prospect of it, isn't positive then why would someone choose me over someone less 'difficult'?

PumpkinKlNG · 15/09/2021 10:21

Why do people keep saying it’s discrimination 😕 unless you literally apply for preference when dating then we all do discrimination?! I won’t date a man younger than me, does that mean I’m discriminating? Yes I could “miss out on someone great” my I don’t want to date a younger man and that’s my preference, it’s no different to not wanting to date someone with MH problems, especially if you have been there before and know how awful it can be.

GreyCarpet · 15/09/2021 10:34

Because it is discrimination in the literal sense of the word - all preferences are discrimination.

But in matters of our personal/dating/sex lives we are permitted to discriminate against anyone for any reason we like whether others would agree with us or not.

PumpkinKlNG · 15/09/2021 10:39

Everyone discriminates when dating.

thedancingbear · 15/09/2021 10:45

you are not obliged to do anything you don't want to.

But in matters of our personal/dating/sex lives we are permitted to discriminate against anyone for any reason we like whether others would agree with us or not.

Oh for fuck's sake. Where has anyone said anything on this thread that contradicts any of this?

Oldfestivalgoer · 15/09/2021 10:50

@gannett

And all the posters who have given advice along the lines of "ewww I'd run a mile!!!!" would do well to read this post and think about the prejudiced assumptions they're making.

Not one person has said that.

Many, many women have shared our first-hand experiences of trying to sustain a relationship with a partner with MH issues. We've shared our own trauma and struggles, speaking from that experience and first-hand knowledge.

To ridicule and caricature the sharing of those painful experiences as "ewwwww I'd run a mile" is shameful and disgusting.

GreyCarpet · 15/09/2021 10:57

@GreyCarpet

Because it is discrimination in the literal sense of the word - all preferences are discrimination.

But in matters of our personal/dating/sex lives we are permitted to discriminate against anyone for any reason we like whether others would agree with us or not.

Well I was just responding to a previous poster who asked why people kept referring to it as discrimination to explain that it is discrimination but its ok 🤷🏻‍♀️
HardStaringBearFromDarkestPeru · 15/09/2021 11:11

I'm bipolar, take my meds religiously, eat well, exercise, Been through some shit - I realised that on 9/11 I was in hospital having been sectioned - but I've been stable for a long time.
I wouldn't date me.
A purely sexual relationship is fine but when emotions come into play, it makes things chaotic for both me & the other person.

I wouldn't get involved with anyone with children. My choice.

If you don't want to go on the date, don't.

ThenIHadAGo · 15/09/2021 11:38

@HardStaringBearFromDarkestPeru

I'm bipolar, take my meds religiously, eat well, exercise, Been through some shit - I realised that on 9/11 I was in hospital having been sectioned - but I've been stable for a long time. I wouldn't date me. A purely sexual relationship is fine but when emotions come into play, it makes things chaotic for both me & the other person.

I wouldn't get involved with anyone with children. My choice.

If you don't want to go on the date, don't.

Yes, this is why later I find (HFA). I can do fwbs but a relationship - no chance.
ThenIHadAGo · 15/09/2021 11:38

*what I find

SVRT19674 · 15/09/2021 12:11

It is not for you, say no. You do not owe anyone a relationship.

bunglesnoopy · 15/09/2021 13:32

First of all, I totally agree that OP should be able to choose to not go on the date. That is her preference.

If you look up the word discrimination it does not pertain to preference. I prefer Jaffa cakes to jammie dodgers. I am not discriminating against biscuits.

Discrimination is making judgements about a person without knowing the full story. To call a mental illness a disability without knowing how it affects someone is making a sweeping judgement.

I manage my mental illness and no one can tell I have one. It doesn't prevent me from doing anything and I am not disabled by it.

Everyone with a mental illness is different!

TedMullins · 15/09/2021 13:50

YANBU to not go on a date for any reason you like, but I agree that telling him the truth here would be unnecessary and hurtful. Imagine if you sent him a full-body photo and he said, actually I don't want to go on the date any more because you're overweight. He wouldn't be unreasonable to refuse to date overweight people but would you really want to be told? Imagine the impact on your self-esteem, and apply this to telling him that his MH rules him out for you. I'm a big proponent of honesty but there really is no need here when it has such potential to cut someone down. Just tell him on second thoughts you're not sure/decided you don't want to date/met someone else.

BudrosBudrosGalli · 15/09/2021 14:45

@Grimsknee Hahahahaha

CatalinaCasesolver · 15/09/2021 14:52

Why is everyone assuming this is a man? At no point in her post does OP say this is a man.

CatalinaCasesolver · 15/09/2021 14:53

And you can cancel a date with anyone for ANY reason.

GreyCarpet · 15/09/2021 15:02

@CatalinaCasesolver

Why is everyone assuming this is a man? At no point in her post does OP say this is a man.
Because dealing with they and them when talking about an individual. But it doesn't matter. I suspect the advice from most people would be the same - you can refuse to date anyone for any reason.
thedancingbear · 15/09/2021 15:42

I suspect the advice from most people would be the same - you can refuse to date anyone for any reason.

FFS. We're seven pages in and no-one has said anything that contradicts this.

Your persistence on this suggests to me that you have a real problem with people with MH issues. If not, what's driving you?

TurquoiseSunflower · 15/09/2021 16:16

You don' have to go out with anybody you don't want to!!

VeryLongBeeeeep · 15/09/2021 16:45

Against the run of the thread I would be prepared to go on a date if I'd liked everything else about the person to this point. And I'm married to someone with severe bipolar disorder so I have first-hand experience of living with it. It hasn't always been an easy ride by any stretch but equally I've had some of the best experiences of my life with/because of him, and I wouldn't have wanted to miss out on that. He's never been abusive or manipulative because of it though, which obviously colours my view in a more positive way than some PPs' experiences. He lives with his disability (and by extension so do I) but it doesn't define him.

But I'm not the OP! And as most others have said, you don't owe anyone a date. Everyone has their own personal red flags and dealbreakers.

GreyCarpet · 15/09/2021 17:00

@thedancingbear

I suspect the advice from most people would be the same - you can refuse to date anyone for any reason.

FFS. We're seven pages in and no-one has said anything that contradicts this.

Your persistence on this suggests to me that you have a real problem with people with MH issues. If not, what's driving you?

I'm really not sure why you keep replying to me Confused

If I want to respond to another poster, I will.

This time, I was responding to a poster who asked why everyone was assuming the OP was talking about a man. I said I thought the response would be similar and then reiterated which response I meant as there have been several and didn't want to the poster to either not understand or have to trawl back through to see what response I was referring to.

The last time you quoted me to have a go, again I was responding to another poster who asked a specific question.

So nothing is driving me other than clear communication.

Why? What is driving you?

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