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To think maybe this is not normal

681 replies

Poppy298 · 12/09/2021 12:45

Long story short I’ve been noticing things that make me feel my relationship is not right. We have been together a long time but these little things have been getting worse. I don’t know if I’m genuinely to blame or if this isn’t normal.
So for example we don’t live together he asks me to do his food shopping (he works full time and me part time) so I am ok with that but if I can’t do it the day and hour he wants it he goes off on one. Today is another example I said I would drop the food shopping off at his work as he’s finishing earlier but his home and work is 30 min from me and I was going food shopping early so I said I would drop it at his work. He was ok with this. He then asked me to call him a taxi as he is working later now so that he could drop his food at his house and go back to work. I booked one online to be dispatched ASAP and taxis in the area were really busy and it took longer than expected. He then rang me to say it’s all my fault he will be late back to work because I should have waited around to take him back home on his lunch break so he wasn’t relying on taxis. He is now not speaking to me. Another thing is I went to collect him some new release trainers I got to the shop as soon as they opened especially so i got them in time, he then asked me to drive to his work (a further 25 minutes) and drop them off. I said I couldn’t do that and I would drop them off on Sunday (today) which I did. He is now telling me if the size is wrong and it doesn’t fit he wants the money off me for the shoes because all pairs have sold out now and if I’d have dropped them off on the day I bought them it wouldn’t have been a problem. He is so angry when he says all this and insults me at the same time. These are just little examples but they happen every day. I have to apologise all the time but I genuinely don’t think I’ve done wrong?

OP posts:
Blossomtoes · 15/09/2021 17:22

@IllegibleSquiggles

I think that in future, when you think of him, you should picture his face peering out through a plastic toilet seat jammed around his head, his expression puzzled at a world which will let a woman decide she's had enough of him and walk -- without even the grace to get him his shopping and buying him a new toilet seat. The idea! Grin

Glad you got the ring doorbell, and hope you find the journalling and counselling useful.

This. In years to come you or your sister will only need to say that words “toilet seat” and you’ll collapse in fits of giggles @Poppy298.
MzHz · 15/09/2021 17:23

Wow! I love the idea of a fresh page each day! And writing it down means you don’t have to carry it in your head anymore so very freeing

Dery · 15/09/2021 17:30

Fabulously put by @billy1966:

"Sounds great.

You have a lovely future to look forward to, particularly if you make a project of YOURSELF to figure out WHY he was able to get into your head the way he did.

You NEVER want that to EVER happen again.

You need to really take a big time out to figure that out.

Focus on being the boss of you completely."

This with bells on.

MzHz · 15/09/2021 17:35

I’m old. So probably tmi for a bright young thing like you, but I had all this without the fetching and carrying

All the “nobody will have you”, “you’re lucky I even looked at you”, “crap in bed”

Oh right, yeah…

I’m in a relationship with a man who says I’m the love of his life, I’m perfect I’m this I’m that, and the best in bed he’s ever had, and this is a guy so successful he would have loads of women interested

Course my self esteem won’t permit me to believe him, which he thinks is bonkers

Perhaps his previous exes set a low bar? But even so, I’ll take the compliment and it’s amazing how empowering it is to hear

I wish all this and more for you - when the time comes of course

You have a way to go to strengthen yourself and work through all these issues, but you’ll get there

Remember always that you’re worth being loved and adored, that you’re a good and kind person and there is someone out there who deserves all the happiness and light you bring to others and they too will bring to your life.

You go girl!

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 15/09/2021 17:37

Your sister thinks his emails are so threatening that you've gone out and got a ring doorbell?

I'd be seriously thinking about having a lawyer write him a formal cease and desist letter. This is the first necessary step toward an injunction should it come to that.

I also think it might be time to contact the police. Flowers

IllegibleSquiggles · 15/09/2021 18:02

@MarieIVanArkleStinks

Your sister thinks his emails are so threatening that you've gone out and got a ring doorbell?

I'd be seriously thinking about having a lawyer write him a formal cease and desist letter. This is the first necessary step toward an injunction should it come to that.

I also think it might be time to contact the police. Flowers

Yes, agreed. My suggestion about imagining him wearing the toilet seat was in no way intended to make you lose sight of threats. Definitely contact the police as a first step.
MzHz · 15/09/2021 18:07

It won’t hurt to alert the police and see what they can help with in terms of a warning

Poppy298 · 15/09/2021 18:12

Don’t worry I haven’t lost sight of the seriousness of his abuse. We just had a good laugh about the toilet seat which is honestly just what I needed. Could you tell me where I find more about a formal cease and desist? Thank you

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QueenBee52 · 15/09/2021 18:19

@Poppy298

Don’t worry I haven’t lost sight of the seriousness of his abuse. We just had a good laugh about the toilet seat which is honestly just what I needed. Could you tell me where I find more about a formal cease and desist? Thank you

You are allowed to laugh at this Cretin and his vile attempts at bringing you down...

You're doing great 🌸

billy1966 · 15/09/2021 18:24

@MzHz

It won’t hurt to alert the police and see what they can help with in terms of a warning
I think calling 101 and telling them that you have left an abusive relationship, have received many abusive messages and have put a video bell up.

Give his work address.

I cannot stress to you enough how effective it is for the police to call to speak to someone at their work address.

Truly magical!

Sorts out the bully's so bloody quick.....and that's from a female policewoman.

They genuinely can't believe the person they are harassing has reported them and the overwhelming majority are NEVER heard from again by the person that complained them.

It also puts their name in the system if they choose to act the prick again and provides a history.

Report him OP.Flowers

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 15/09/2021 18:47

Good for you Poppy and your brilliant sister!

Whatever happened to his toilet seat Smile? I had a crude suggestion when I read this.

Tistheseason17 · 15/09/2021 19:18

Just be careful and don't answer your door.
My ex went through all the emotions and ended up on my doorstep during his angry phase - call 999 if needed and plan an exit route. Men like your ex are not normal and do not behave normally. Be prepared.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 15/09/2021 20:25

Well done 👍 op
So pleased

Sorry if This has been said
But can you stop voicemail and block ?

How ducking dare he send abuse in voicemails
Appalling behaviour

I got dumped this summer
I said ok. Walked away !
Shit happens

How bloody dare he do this
Disgusting vile man

Dery · 15/09/2021 21:25

@Poppy298

If you're in England, you don't need to send a formal cease and desist letter. You can immediately apply on a without notice basis for a non-molestation order.

If the court granted the order (which I think it would based on how he has treated you and the ongoing abuse), the order would need to be served on your ex, along with the evidence which you submitted in support of your application.

There would then be a further hearing (usually about 2-3 weeks later) at which he would have the chance to argue against the order remaining in place. Non-molestation orders are usually granted for a period of 6-12 months.

If you contact www.ncdv.org.uk/, they can talk you through the process. Our firm helps NCDV clients on a pro bono basis by helping them draft their witness evidence and the other paperwork. I've worked on about 25 applications. IME, even when the other party has challenged the non-mol, the court has upheld it. You don't need physical violence to justify a non-mol and many of the NCDV clients I have helped have experienced emotional and psychological abuse, not physical abuse.

Before you do apply for a non-mol, though, if the abuse is continuing, you may just want to convey the message to him - perhaps via your sister or a male third party - that if he continues with his abuse, you will go to the police. That may be enough to get him to back off and then you won't need to go through the bother of applying for a non-mol.

If not, you can then apply for a non-mol or indeed involve the police if his abuse seems to be escalating. If the police have a word with him, that might be enough to get him to stop.

Be vigilant, however, and for the time being, try to avoid being alone or in any situation where your ex might find you. Deep down, he hates women and he sounds capable of doing something nasty.

Poppy298 · 16/09/2021 08:23

For 3 days now I haven’t had to set a 4:30 alarm to make sure he gets up for work! And then if I slept through my alarm it’s my fault he’s late 😅actually managed to have a good sleep.

OP posts:
Poppy298 · 16/09/2021 08:23

I’ve been thinking I didn’t actually send a message saying please don’t contact me do any of you think I should or is it too late? Because if it escalates I just don’t want anyone to say you never actually told him to not contact you

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nettie434 · 16/09/2021 08:47

Good that you've been able to get a chance to sleep, Poppy298. I'd have thought blocking him is sign enough that you don't want him to contact you but others more familiar with 'non mols' will know better than me.

nettie434 · 16/09/2021 08:49

I was thinking that Dery's advice above seemed very knowledgeable

ArabellaScott · 16/09/2021 09:03

OP, there are several helplines/organsiations who can help you:

www.supportline.org.uk/problems/stalking-and-harassment/

From a quick read, I can't see any of them recommending contacting your ex in any way, but I would rec calling one of them for advice.

Billybagpuss · 16/09/2021 09:18

@Poppy298

I’ve been thinking I didn’t actually send a message saying please don’t contact me do any of you think I should or is it too late? Because if it escalates I just don’t want anyone to say you never actually told him to not contact you
I wouldn’t, it shows him you’re still giving him headspace.

As you sleep better you’ll get stronger.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 16/09/2021 09:56

Whatever you do, don't contact him directly. If you do, you'll simply teach him that days' and days' worth of abusive messages will get him a response - any response - and it will encourage him to continue. That message, if there is to be one, should come from a third party.

Agree Dery's advice is excellent.

Tallisimo · 16/09/2021 10:35

I wouldn’t contact him. Your staying out of contact with him is a huge message in itself! Don’t let him in your head in this way, or allow him to think he is in your thoughts.

If you test him, you will be then wondering did he get it, what did he think, why didn’t he reply, what does his reply say and so on. Just don’t go there!

Tallisimo · 16/09/2021 10:36

Text, not test!

Drinkingallthewine · 16/09/2021 10:53

You are doing brilliantly.

My GP when I got out of my abusive relationship, suggested journalling as well. It was a terrific idea.

A year later I held a ceremonial burning of that journal but I found it very interesting to see the timeline of my new life evolving during the process and being able to see how far I'd come.

I did also log it with police, and changed my number and those things helped me no end as well.