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Argument over Christmas (already)

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Jinglebella1 · 10/09/2021 04:32

I had an argument with my partner last night and now j am lying here unable to sleep. The argument was over where to spend Christmas (early I know!) .

My dad passed away last November so my mum is living on her own and she is struggling without my dad. My sister lives in Bali and has already sad that due to covid it is unlikely she will be able to come home for Christmas this year so I am the only family my mum will have. My partner would like to spend Christmas with his family - I completely understand his wish to spend it with his family as last year we spent it alone due to covid and the year before we spent it with my family so it has been a few years since we spent it with his family so is definitely "his turn". He suggested that we spend Christmas with his family and then "do Christmas" with my mum on Boxing Day instead this year and alternate. This seems a fair proposal longer term but I just can't let my mum be alone for Christmas Day, not so soon after my dad died it just breaks my heart.

As a compromise I suggested we invite his parents over and also my mum for Christmas Day so we can all spend it together. We have never hosted Xmas before so it would be nice to have his parents over. Firstly his argument is that we only have a 4 seater table and therefore don't have enough chairs for 5 people and completely dismissed my suggestion that god forbid we borrow an additional chair from somewhere as it wouldn't match our dining table. (This is a dig at my family as previous Christmas' we have squeezed extra people around the kitchen table using chairs from the garden- he looks down his nose at this and sees it as common whereas I see it as perfectly bloody normal).

His second argument is that he won't be able to see his brothers on Christmas Day. This would be true as fitting in his brothers and their children would be a step too much for our cosy house (garden chairs or not) but he hasn't even bothered to ask his brothers what their plans are for Xmas and how this fits in with seeing his parents. His parents are elderly and I don't think it is fair to expect them to host everyone at Christmas- they should be putting their feet up and relaxing.

I completely understand his wish to see his family but I feel he is not thinking about my feelings or thinking about my mum at all and is being pig-headed about the whole thing. He shouted at me and called me selfish which has upset me even more. We have been going through a rocky patch recently so I am finding this really hard to deal with. I just don't know what to do but I am frustrated and upset that he is digging his heels in rather than trying to help me come up with a solution that would make everyone happy.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 10/09/2021 20:02

@ILoveToads

I wouldn't want to stay with a partner who was happy to leave my widowed mother alone on Christmas Day. That's so heartless, I can't understand how someone could be so cruel.

I'd actually leave someone over this, it says so much about their base character.

Me too. I honestly couldn't get past what that says about someone's character and moral compass.

It's fucking horrible. Cruel.

LindaEllen · 10/09/2021 20:02

Me and DP both like spending Christmas day with our families, so we do. We go to our respective families for the day, then spend the evening together. We will go out for a meal with each family at some point between Christmas and new year so we do each get to see each other's families too.

We see each other all day every day - we can cope without one day!

Normando91 · 10/09/2021 20:05

I would be spending Christmas with my mum and my partner could do whatever he wanted. Not a chance I’d let my mum spend it on her own after losing her partner!

pecanmix · 10/09/2021 20:06

Ah I love a mismatched chair situation at Xmas! Brings back great memories as one of my 'jobs' as a kid to grab chairs from different rooms to bring to the dining room. I think he's being ridiculous with that. I wouldn't ever leave my mum alone for Xmas day. I thought your idea of hosting was good but clearly he's not going to do that. I reckon because of his behaviour now id say off he goes to his parents and you and your mum have a lovely Xmas together. Pick whatever food you'd both like and don't consider his favourites etc. Watch some lovely tv together.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 10/09/2021 20:06

He has stormed off saying he didn't know why I am with him if that's my opinion.

Neither do I, he sounds like such a nasty person. Spiteful and cruel.

FWIW I fucking love having Christmas Day just me and my mum. Drinks, our favourite food, watching stuff that makes us laugh like idiots, have a bit of a cry about people we miss who are no longer alive but also remember funny stories about them that we love.

So much better than a kindness sponge like your 'partner'. If someone was that cruel about my mum that he could even imagine her sitting home alone on Christmas Day having been recently widowed and not want to weep at the thought... I couldn't even look at them.

I don't know you or your mum and the idea broke my heart. He knows her and supposedly loves you. I would consider leaving him to be a bloody nice Christmas present to yourself.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 10/09/2021 20:14

You’re doing the right thing op
Your mum needs you this year. You’ve offered lots of different compromises but he wants it all exactly his way, which if your your mum to spend Christmas alone. This would really make me question my future with him.
He sounds incredibly selfish and spiteful.

goldenchildsister · 10/09/2021 20:16

@TubeOfSmarties

What kind of dickhead would leave a recently widowed close relative on her own for Christmas day because a chair won't match?
Please read this over and over. No one, not anyone, leaves a recently widowed person alone on Xmas day. At least, not anyone worth knowing.

This isn't a normal Xmas debacle over which mother in law to disappoint. This is basic human empathy and care for another, with the elevated status of being your mother.

I'm quite shocked you are arguing over it. If my DH even began to suggest my recently widowed mother spend Xmas alone, it would be a very short conversation and I would question what I was doing with my life.

Etinox · 10/09/2021 20:52

@SD1978

Both of you have valid reasons, so spend it seperately and do your own Boxing Day.
What’s her partner’s valid reason?! @Jinglebella1 I’d seriously reconsider this relationship. He’s showing a complete lack of empathy. Belittling your feelings and reacting angrily when you challenge him.
FlowerArranger · 10/09/2021 22:53

Hands up those of you reading this thread who would not move heaven and earth to ensure their recently bereaved relative, friend, acquaintance, next door neighbour etc would not spend Christmas all alone!!

feelingsicknow · 10/09/2021 23:04

Interested to know what happened last year? Was your mum on her own then, your dad having passed away the month before? Or was your sister home with her last year? X

PugMumm · 10/09/2021 23:13

10000% please spend Xmas with your mum

User986 · 10/09/2021 23:13

OP I haven't read the whole thread but if my partner tried to exclude my recently widowed mother from Christmas I'd be out the door. How can he be happy for her to spend Christmas alone on the basis he wants to have matching dining chairs Hmm

QueenBee52 · 11/09/2021 03:35

100% spend it with your precious Mum 🌸

1FootInTheRave · 11/09/2021 04:26

He is cruel and selfish.

IrishMel · 11/09/2021 05:04

Spend it with your mum as so sad to think of her alone for this christmas. I lost my mum and so wish had the chance to spend time with her again. Your husband sounds like a snob going on about garden chairs or hinting at it. Really nice of you to suggest to have everyone at yours and you can visit his brother before or after Christmas day. Put your foot down and if he wants to go to his folks then let him off and have your mum over to you. Sorry about your dad so difficult when lose a parent.

Jinglebella1 · 11/09/2021 07:48

@feelingsicknow - last year my sister had come home for my dads funeral and stayed for Christmas. Originally my mum and sister were going to come to us for Christmas, my partner was very sweet at the time and absolutely supported having my family over which was very sweet. However as we were suddenly thrown into tier 4 we could not have my mum and sister over as we were not allowed to mix households. It was so horrible at the time, we were all so upset which is why I want my mum to have a lovely Christmas this year.

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Jinglebella1 · 11/09/2021 07:48

@IrishMel so sorry to hear about your mum. Lots of love xxx

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LadyEloise1 · 11/09/2021 08:14

As they say on Mumsnet- When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

He is not a nice man.
He wants your recently widowed, beloved mother to be alone at Christmas ?
How cold and unkind is that.

Salteena · 11/09/2021 08:41

OP Condolences on the loss of your dad. I'm glad you've decided you'll be spending Christmas with your mum, come what may.

After my DF died, more than a decade ago now, DH and I travelled to spend every single Christmas with my DM because there was no way on earth I was going to leave her alone. He never once uttered a single word of complaint about it, even if he might have secretly have preferred to be at home occasionally.

DM died last year, and I'm still grieving, but I'm so glad I spent all those Christmases with her. That's what you will remember in the long run, not the ridiculous behaviour of your petulant and unkind DP.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 11/09/2021 08:59

Spend it separately, then you both get to do what you think is best. Neither view is wrong.

wildseas · 11/09/2021 09:07

Do you have kids?

If not given he is being so difficult I would just do my own thing completely.

In your situation my gut feeling would be to buy tickets to Bali for you and mum to stay with your sister. Ok I know covid makes that tricky but still ...... that’s definitely the best solution here!

Straighttalking1 · 11/09/2021 09:49

Why can't you invite your mum to spend Christmas with you, and then take her with you to his family?

Alondra · 11/09/2021 10:19

What kind of dickhead would leave a recently widowed close relative on her own for Christmas day because a chair won't match?

Please read this a thousand times over when/if you're doubting yourself. No loving partner will EVER put you on the position of leaving your recently widowed mother alone on Christmas when there are basic and simple solutions. Christmas is not your problem, there are much bigger issues with him in your relationship.

I saw a quote on another thread that is fully applicable to your relationship:

"People show us over and over again exactly who they are, and we look away the first hundred times or so, because it's easier to look at someone and see what we want to see, instead of what's really there. That's okay. But one day you'll realise that life is too short to keep looking away. Take a long hard look and see what they show you the first time. That's who they are. Believe it.' (Stephanie Bennett-Henry)"

vdbfamily · 11/09/2021 11:20

I think people are being a bit unreasonable to OPs partner. Two years ago Christmas was with his MIL, last year it was going to be( because she was recently bereaved) but lockdown tier4 put an end to that and Christmas was just them) so year 3, he has not spent a Christmas with his elderly parents and family for years and Op is again wanting to be with her mum. Went is it him who is SO unreasonable that she should LTB. Is it possible he is also worrying he may not spend another Christmas with his family? Personally, I would find who had most space and see if everyone could be in one place. It has been a crap couple of years and everyone just wants to make up for lost time. I am not sure why he is such a monster.

Disfordarkchocolate · 11/09/2021 11:29

The reason he is being seen as so unreasonable @vdbfamily is because the OP put forward a very reasonable compromise and he had a strop.

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