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DP drunkenly kissed his ex. Not sure if I can get past it all.

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ThoughtThingsWereGreat · 09/09/2021 14:10

This is long. It could definitely be shorter, but I just started writing and kept on going. So apologies for that.

At a very drunken house party at the weekend, DP (well, DFiancé to be precise) kissed and made out with his ex girlfriend of about seven years ago. I’d originally also been at the party, but had left before he did. I’ve always had a slight discomfort about how their relationship ended: I know that she cheated and then broke up with him, completely blindsiding him; and that it took him a very long time to get past her. I know that for a long time afterwards if she’d suggested trying again he’d have jumped at the chance. In the early stages of our relationship this niggled me; however, we’ve now been together over five years and so I’ve felt it was well in the past.

He told me what had happened as soon as he got home (and I do believe this was because he wanted to be honest; but ultimately have to acknowledge that he will also have known he had to tell me because mutual friends who saw him do it would certainly have fed back to me.) However, he also (which I know because I asked to see) sent her a message the following morning saying some lovely things about her (not a problem - I know that she was made redundant recently and has really been struggling with where to go next)… and then telling her that he still has mixed feelings for her.

I can deal with a one-off drunken kiss: we’ve all done stuff we regret when very drunk (although in alcohol’s defence, I’ve done a lot of very stupid stuff when completely sober as well!) and unlike an affair or other type of duplicitous cheating I’ve never felt it should automatically be the end of a relationship in itself. Also, I’m not the thought police, I’m sure many people still have some mixed feelings about an ex, what goes on inside his head in private isn’t something I need to know about, I can live, I think, with the idea that he still cares about her, to some level.

But it’s the combination of all of the things - having remaining feelings for an ex, kissing that ex, AND then telling her that he still has feelings for her - that I’m not sure I can move on from.

I can’t insist he never sees her again: we have a very large interinvolved social group of which she’s a part (I consider/ed her a friend, although not a close one) and I’m not going to become the sort of partner who tells him where he can go and monitors where he’s been, just in case she’s going to be there. And unless I avoid every single activity or party where she could potentially be, then also I’ll have to socialise with her sometimes knowing that she knows I’m in a relationship with her ex who still has feelings for her. Plus any other mutual friends she may have told. I don’t want her or anyone else feeling sorry for me (or gloating behind my back.) I think this is the bit I’m really struggling with. But also, I don’t want to end my relationship out of worry of what others might think or say.

I’ve asked him for some space to think. He’s said all the right things. It isn’t that I don’t believe him. It is, as I said above, the combination of three less than ideal points.

Can we move on from this? Or do I just end things now, to save myself a load of stress and worry in the future? Or is that actually the easy, lazy way out?

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EsmeGythaMagrat · 09/09/2021 16:44

Don’t be taken in by the sunken costs fallacy; just because you’ve spent five years with him doesn’t mean you have to spend any more time together. You will always be wondering, especially if you are in the same social circle.
The man you marry should be completely into you and not someone pining away for his ex. Don’t settle for him settling. Throw this one back, there is better out there for you.

CinnamonJellyBeans · 09/09/2021 16:44

Not only are you his second choice, he doesn't even care enough about you to hide this from you.

You deserve better.

ittakes2 · 09/09/2021 16:49

I don't think you need to be 'fair' to him - the rest of your life and happiness is at stake. He is telling you something you need to listen - he is not ready to get married and maybe not ready to get married to you. You are engaged - this is the happy bit! Wait until you have stress and worries.
Honestly, I think you need to break up with him. If you were meant to be together you will get back together and the commitment will be stronger. But starting your married life with the knowledge he cheated on you infront of your friends...not a great start to be honest.
You don't owe him anything...but you owe yourself everything.

TatianaBis · 09/09/2021 16:49

It’s not just about the disrespect or the ongoing feelings, it’s that he has likely done this to end your relationship, or did it knowing it would end your relationship but didn’t care. He doesn’t have the balls to say he doesn’t want to marry you so he snogged someone else confessed it the next day, then you dump him. Job done.

It would be bananas to stay in a relationship with someone who’s trying to get out of it.

TatianaBis · 09/09/2021 16:50

@CinnamonJellyBeans

Not only are you his second choice, he doesn't even care enough about you to hide this from you.

You deserve better.

He’s told her on purpose. How many men don’t have the guts to be the bad guy and dump someone, so behave badly and get dumped.
JudyGemstone · 09/09/2021 16:51

My read is: she’s his ‘one that got away’, largely because the end of their relationship was sudden, traumatic and not his choice.

He has moved on and loves you but always carried a small torch for her and maybe wondered ‘what if?…’ She probably knew this but the fact they’ve been able to stay friends since suggests there’s always been appropriate boundaries, and of course he was serious with you.

Now she is in a bit of a vulnerable place having been made redundant and has turned to him for comfort/reassurance/a self esteem boost. Selfish yes, but maybe not malicious.

I don’t think she really wants him, not really. She may see him as a safe bet/rudder but she’s not really in love with him or anything.

He needs to do some really deep soul searching and honest communication with you and with himself.

If he leaves you or you dump him and he gets back with her it will be a massive mistake he will come to regret sooner or later.

I also have a large and complex group of old friends and can see how this came about. I I would do next in your position would entirely depend on his level of insight and honesty into what this is really about, eg existential crisis, wedding jitters, rose tinted glasses etc.

TableFlowerss · 09/09/2021 16:51

OP you seem very understanding and that’s a positive trait. Most people wouldn’t be able to get over a drunken kiss with an ex, yet it doesn’t seem to phase you at all.

Relationships are about respect and snogging someone else, is the opposite of respect. Probably even worse is the fact she was an ex that he had feeling for and sounds like he’s clearly not over her.

If you’re cool with that and it won’t bother you then it’s yours life but the majority of people would bin him. I’m sure you could find someone worthy of you. Imo - he is not.

chipsandgin · 09/09/2021 16:55

Nope, couldn’t get past it. You sound incredibly measured and reasonable, far more than I would be, but I think you are kidding yourself OP.

I’m good friends with my most long term ex - we have a similar intertwined big friendship group so I get that part, but you should be able to fully trust your partner when they are friends with an ex. You can’t trust him & you know that 100% now.

I would end the relationship if DH kissed anyone, but with your situation the nail in the coffin is the ‘mixed feelings’ thing. Literally all that statement is is an open invitation to her to get back together with him - but rather than say ‘I still love you’ he gets to keep his pride if she knocks him back & he can pretend he didn’t really want to as he had these ‘mixed feelings’.

As for you he’s very cleverly keeping you as the back up plan by ‘being honest’ so you’ve got nothing to throw at him (in his eyes). It’s so fucking disrespectful, he clearly doesn’t value you at all. If you carry on in this relationship - & this is meant in the nicest possible way then you may as well get ‘doormat’ tattooed on your forehead and brace yourself for the next time this poor tortured soul plays away…a very rare LTB from me, you are worth more than that, we all are.

GreyhoundG1rl · 09/09/2021 16:55

If he leaves you or you dump him and he gets back with her it will be a massive mistake he will come to regret sooner or later.
Well, I'm not sure what the logic is there Confused

TableFlowerss · 09/09/2021 16:57

@CinnamonJellyBeans

Not only are you his second choice, he doesn't even care enough about you to hide this from you.

You deserve better.

Not sure hiding it equates to caring more. I would say it’s more to do with wanting their cake and eating it….
LittleMysSister · 09/09/2021 16:58

I don't think I could handle this.

I'm usually like you in that I think anyone can make a mistake, especially when drunk, and it's not necessarily an indicator of how they really feel or how they feel about their partner. But the fact that she will still be in your lives and presumably was up for kissing him too would worry me too much. There is a lot of history there. Down the line, once you're married, potentially with kids keeping you up all night and life is a sometimes a grind, will they be tempted back together for a bit of escape?

On the less positive side for a split, you also need to consider that it sounds like both of them would still remain in your friendship group and that could be uncomfortable for you. Though obviously this is secondary.

Sakurami · 09/09/2021 16:59

I think you have to break things off. Breaking up will really highlight to him where his feelings lie, otherwise he'll always have this feeling of the one who got away and you'll always feel second best.

He may go back to her or he may realise that actually it is definitely you he loves and wants to be with.

Blue4YOU · 09/09/2021 17:03

OP you sound very understanding and too much so.
You’ve persevered in the early stages whilst fully aware of his feelings for her.
You’ve been friendly with her and shared a friendship group.
While, at this stage of your life you may feel absolutely fine about this or pressure to act/think it’s fine… there are so many considerations..
I’m going to be harsh:
What if something dreadful happened when you were married- you developed a serious illness or debilitating condition or couldn’t have children if you wanted them, were devastated by bereavement or lost a job, had mental health problems or lost a baby through miscarriage or stillbirth (pretty much all happened to me which is why I’m so cynical) never mind the “normal “ stresses of having babies, tiredness and mortgages etc.
If he were the only one out drinking or socially drinking and she had the opposite life - gym/interests/money/children etc. Do you see how it could go?
Either you start off a marriage in the strongest position or you risk wasting years of your life and potential children.. for what?
What does this guy give you that’s so special that someone not in love with their ex couldn’t do?

Standrewsschool · 09/09/2021 17:10

Not only did he kiss her, but she kissed him back, knowing he’s engaged to someone else, and that you have been together for five years. She stepped over the boundary as well.

So not only have you got a dp saying he has mixed feelings for her, instead of apologising like mad, you also have a woman who is openly willing to kiss your future husband, in public.

Sorry, I think the trust has gone and you will always be looking over your shoulder.

DrGoogleSaysSo · 09/09/2021 17:15

That's terrible OP. I would bin him. No way I would consider marrying someone who cheated on me, that's a doomed marriage.

toomuchlaundry · 09/09/2021 17:16

I think you are misguided if you think he would be okay if you did similar

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 09/09/2021 17:16

Sorry OP. You say that you have a large 'interwoven' friendship group of which she is a part? That group will be watching those two and either distancing themselves from the three of you - or enjoying the drama from a safe distance at your expense as they'll be pitying you.

You deserve better. A hell of a lot better.

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 09/09/2021 17:19

Yeah. Bollocks to that.
He followed up when he was sober.
That tells you all an intelligent person needs to know!

sassbott · 09/09/2021 17:20

OP. If a partner of mine (whom I was engaged to) snogged an ex (and the ex clearly reciprocated), in front of friends - no I could not get past that without some time apart. Why?

  1. I don’t believe anyone gets so drunk that they don’t know what they are doing (maybe that’s me, but if I’m honest with myself, I’ve known what I was doing when drunk, the alcohol just loosened my inhibitions). Alcohol didn’t make me do something I didn’t want to, it allowed me to do something I wanted to.
  2. Neither of them cared or respected you enough to not do what they did. Clearly the onus is on him to not be unfaithful but given the ex is also a loose ‘friend’ with you, I would have hoped for some morals from the ‘friend’ also.
  3. The text the following morning was done in the cold light of day. You say it was a nice kind message. Really? He snogs and ex and then texts her a nice message the next morning? In which planet is the first message not ‘I should not have kissed you last night, it was wrong at every level. I have told my fiance. I’m not going to be in touch for a while as I need to focus on my fiancé and reassuring her that this was a one off and actually I am deeply ashamed of my behaviour. I love her and she is in pieces that I did this - understandably. Please don’t contact me.’ That is the bear minimum of what I would expect.

I would make any major moves right now. But I would ask for time apart, to think about things.
I would also talk the mutual friends to find out what exactly went on. You’ll probably be surprised that they may know things you don’t.

People don’t randomly snog exes years later unless they have feelings for them. They just don’t.

sassbott · 09/09/2021 17:23

Also, the people who work hard to get past this sort of stuff? Are married, have children. They are invested. I understand it’s a deeply personal choice but to try and get over a cheater pre kids/ marriage? Nah.

Life gets much harder. Wait until you have kids. Or you get older. He’s cheated already? No, it’s not good enough. Especially given his complete lack of remorse the next day when he texted her.

WhereYouLeftIt · 09/09/2021 17:23

"I don’t want her or anyone else feeling sorry for me (or gloating behind my back.) I think this is the bit I’m really struggling with. But also, I don’t want to end my relationship out of worry of what others might think or say."
Sad to say, given that he so publicly "made out with his ex girlfriend" in front of all your mutual friends, many will be feeling pity for you. How do you feel about that? How do you feel about the fact that it is him who has put you in this position? It is him who thought so little of you, his fiancée, the woman he asked to marry him, that has made you an object of pity amongst your friends?

You would not be ending your relationship "out of worry of what others might think or say" - you'd be ending it because he made it perfectly clear that you are not his priority, you are just his consolation prize, and you are to be discarded when he has a better offer.

SadSorry to be so blunt OP, but his behaviour has changed the terms of your relationship. Or perhaps - made the terms of your relationship as clear to you as they have always been to himSad.

"Never make someone your priority when you are just an option to them." Ask yourself - if she crooked her little finger at him, would he think twice?

WoolyMammoth55 · 09/09/2021 17:24

OP I haven't RTFT but want to say that I'm a woman who has a few drunken make-out mistakes under my belt that my male DP has forgiven and got over.

I'm so glad he forgave me because we have a good marriage, lovely life, and now (many years later!) 2 fantastic kids.

I get that you feel the combination of things is tough to get over. You're not wrong, it is a tough combo and in fairness none of my indiscretions were a direct parallel. But please TALK TO YOUR DP before you decide what to do. Find out if he is really sorry, if he's really in it for the long-haul with you despite his mistake.

I am a terrible horny idiot when drunk on champagne and getting chatted up. That is my idiocy and it happened 3 times - I didn't learn, I am a real fool. But I love my partner very much and none of it was any threat to what I have with him.

So just going to put my vote out there for you to please find out what's really going on with him before you walk away. I'm so glad my DH did.

sassbott · 09/09/2021 17:27

@WoolyMammoth55 was anyone of those random songs a serious ex from the past?

sassbott · 09/09/2021 17:27

*snogs

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 09/09/2021 17:30

@WoolyMammoth55

OP I haven't RTFT but want to say that I'm a woman who has a few drunken make-out mistakes under my belt that my male DP has forgiven and got over.

I'm so glad he forgave me because we have a good marriage, lovely life, and now (many years later!) 2 fantastic kids.

I get that you feel the combination of things is tough to get over. You're not wrong, it is a tough combo and in fairness none of my indiscretions were a direct parallel. But please TALK TO YOUR DP before you decide what to do. Find out if he is really sorry, if he's really in it for the long-haul with you despite his mistake.

I am a terrible horny idiot when drunk on champagne and getting chatted up. That is my idiocy and it happened 3 times - I didn't learn, I am a real fool. But I love my partner very much and none of it was any threat to what I have with him.

So just going to put my vote out there for you to please find out what's really going on with him before you walk away. I'm so glad my DH did.

And did you follow that up with a sober text about your feelings for them?