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DP drunkenly kissed his ex. Not sure if I can get past it all.

170 replies

ThoughtThingsWereGreat · 09/09/2021 14:10

This is long. It could definitely be shorter, but I just started writing and kept on going. So apologies for that.

At a very drunken house party at the weekend, DP (well, DFiancé to be precise) kissed and made out with his ex girlfriend of about seven years ago. I’d originally also been at the party, but had left before he did. I’ve always had a slight discomfort about how their relationship ended: I know that she cheated and then broke up with him, completely blindsiding him; and that it took him a very long time to get past her. I know that for a long time afterwards if she’d suggested trying again he’d have jumped at the chance. In the early stages of our relationship this niggled me; however, we’ve now been together over five years and so I’ve felt it was well in the past.

He told me what had happened as soon as he got home (and I do believe this was because he wanted to be honest; but ultimately have to acknowledge that he will also have known he had to tell me because mutual friends who saw him do it would certainly have fed back to me.) However, he also (which I know because I asked to see) sent her a message the following morning saying some lovely things about her (not a problem - I know that she was made redundant recently and has really been struggling with where to go next)… and then telling her that he still has mixed feelings for her.

I can deal with a one-off drunken kiss: we’ve all done stuff we regret when very drunk (although in alcohol’s defence, I’ve done a lot of very stupid stuff when completely sober as well!) and unlike an affair or other type of duplicitous cheating I’ve never felt it should automatically be the end of a relationship in itself. Also, I’m not the thought police, I’m sure many people still have some mixed feelings about an ex, what goes on inside his head in private isn’t something I need to know about, I can live, I think, with the idea that he still cares about her, to some level.

But it’s the combination of all of the things - having remaining feelings for an ex, kissing that ex, AND then telling her that he still has feelings for her - that I’m not sure I can move on from.

I can’t insist he never sees her again: we have a very large interinvolved social group of which she’s a part (I consider/ed her a friend, although not a close one) and I’m not going to become the sort of partner who tells him where he can go and monitors where he’s been, just in case she’s going to be there. And unless I avoid every single activity or party where she could potentially be, then also I’ll have to socialise with her sometimes knowing that she knows I’m in a relationship with her ex who still has feelings for her. Plus any other mutual friends she may have told. I don’t want her or anyone else feeling sorry for me (or gloating behind my back.) I think this is the bit I’m really struggling with. But also, I don’t want to end my relationship out of worry of what others might think or say.

I’ve asked him for some space to think. He’s said all the right things. It isn’t that I don’t believe him. It is, as I said above, the combination of three less than ideal points.

Can we move on from this? Or do I just end things now, to save myself a load of stress and worry in the future? Or is that actually the easy, lazy way out?

OP posts:
MalagaNights · 09/09/2021 15:28

He's hedging his bets.
Waiting to see if there's a way forward with her.

This isn't a fuck what was I doing inhibited snog.
There are real feelings and hopes there between them.

You can't live like this it will lead to much heartache.

Ending it now is not the easy way. It will be very hard.

The easy way is pretending all is fine and living in denial. But if you do that it will be so much harder later on .

I'm so sorry this is happening to you.

PrinnyPree · 09/09/2021 15:29

I am so sorry OP as others have said it's not just the drunken kiss, but the not so drunk follow up text declaring his "mixed" feelings for her. He was dipping his toe to see if she wanted to make a go of it properly and only confessed to you since you would have found out anyway.

Also you can't even stop him seeing her again if you were to "forgive and forget". I couldn't do it, better to get out now before marriage and children OP. I am so so sorry, you deserve better. Flowers

MalagaNights · 09/09/2021 15:31

Your concerns about what other people think is because you know they know the truth:. He really wants to be with her, and them knowing that means you can't hide from that.

Awomanwalksintoabar · 09/09/2021 15:33

Imagine you marry him, and have two kids with him and no babysitter, and he goes to another party where she's there and you aren't. And he's fed up because you don't want sex much, and moaned because he didn't wash the baby's bottles or take out the bin with the shitty nappies. What do you think will happen then? I agree with @justmuddlingalong in that you're putting off the inevitable. It is hard now to split, but its as easy as its ever going to be.

I just felt this - all of it - was worth repeating.

SukonthaM · 09/09/2021 15:34

Drunken snog aside, you need to think about the reason why he text her the next day to tell her he had feelings for her. The only logical conclusion is that he still wants to be with her. If you still had feelings for an ex but had no intention of leaving your oh, then why would you not only tell your ex but show your oh the messages?

MorriseysGladioli · 09/09/2021 15:35

I don't think I could get past it.
I would find it easier if he'd had a night of sex with a total stranger easier, because of the fact that it would be meaningless.
What your fiance has done involves so much more than just lust, doesn't it?

SuperSange · 09/09/2021 15:36

He did it knowing you'd find out. If you stay with him, what's to stop him doing it again?

billy1966 · 09/09/2021 15:40

@Justmuddlingalong

I think you're putting off the inevitable shit show, when either insecurity, suspicion or infidelity ends the relationship.
This.

I get that you are scared of ending it but you would want to be out of your mind to marry a man after that.

Value and respect yourself.

He doesn't.

Men who are really in love do not do that.

Be brave.
Move on.Flowers

GetOffTheTableMabel · 09/09/2021 15:40

It’s not easy or lazy to end a relaxed like this. Your friendships are interconnected. You love him. You were planning a life with him.
Leaving him is the difficult option. But you should do it anyway because you deserve better and because he wants you to leave him.

He knew you would going to find out. He’s a coward who needs you to finish it for him because he is too pathetic to do it himself. Probably because he cares what everybody else thinks. This way he is just a victim of his overwhelming feelings and it’s not exactly his fault. You can break it off now or later, after you have married him and wasted more of your life on him. But he doesn’t love you enough for you to marry him. Save yourself time and heartache.

GetOffTheTableMabel · 09/09/2021 15:41

*relationship not relaxed

Loudestcat14 · 09/09/2021 15:42

The question you need to ask yourself is what would happen if she replies to that message saying she feels the same about him? Do you trust that it wouldn't go any further if she reciprocated, or does your gut to tell you that he'd be off with her like a shot?

Palavah · 09/09/2021 15:47

He’s said all the right things.

What are those? Was he lying when he said he had feelings for her?

AmandaHugenkiss · 09/09/2021 15:47

I’m not a fan of the way “LTB!” Is thrown around on here. I’ve forgiven infidelity in the past, and I think it’s possible to move on, but sometimes it’s just delaying the inevitable. It will be awful and hard to unpick your life from his at this stage, but ultimately harder once you are married and have more legal and financial ties. I think heartbreak now will save you worse heartbreak further down the line. He was sober when he messaged her. I wouldn’t stay with a man who has admitted feelings for another woman, it will only end badly. You deserve much better.

💐 because I’ve had to make a similar decision and it’s fucking awful either way. The first time I stayed and regretted it, the second time I walked and never looked back. I’ve never been happier than I am now, with my current partner; there is someone better out there for you.

TheWoleb · 09/09/2021 15:47

She is his number 1. If she wanted him, he would be with her. He wants her so much that when she was open to kissing in front of your friendship group, he went for it. He didnt even try to hide it because he didnt want to risk missing out on the chance to get off with her.

She is the one he wants. Its always going to be there in him, and its always going to be between you.

I wouldnt want that to be my life.

QueenBee52 · 09/09/2021 15:47

I would walk away.. you deserve better than to be someone's second choice/back up plan.. 🌸

girlmom21 · 09/09/2021 15:48

He kissed her when he was drunk. He text her about his feelings when he was sober. A drunken mistake is one thing but I couldn't get past the message to be honest.

Confusedandshaken · 09/09/2021 15:49

Why would you settle for someone who clearly isn't all in? There will be someone out there who will be 100% into you and only you. Why would you hang around hoping that at some point he will realise it's you he really wants? It hasn't happened in the last 5 years so it's not likely to happen in the next 5 years.

If you accept this kiss and his message there will undoubtedly be more occasions. Next time it could go further.

Get out now and leave him to his game playing ex. Find someone better, kinder and more loyal.

gannett · 09/09/2021 15:53

Seven years is a long time to still be in thrall to her, isn't it.

I'm also very interested in what these supposed "all the right things" are that he said.

Like most PP this would probably be the end of the road for me but the small chance I'd continue the relationship would depend on him committing to getting over her. I wouldn't be interested in performative declarations of his commitment to me - flowers and gifts that are just for show/apology. I also wouldn't be interested in monitoring his messages or movements.

Could you genuinely trust him to be in this same scenario again and NOT do what she wanted?

Could he genuinely trust himself to resist her?

What emotional work does he intend to do on himself to ensure the above?

The ball's in his court, not yours. And if you can't truly and genuinely trust him, then you need to end it.

Gastonia · 09/09/2021 15:53

Do you think he wants you to chuck him? Why do that in front of everyone, unless that's what you want?

ChargingBuck · 09/09/2021 15:56

This is so, so much worse than a drunken snog OP -

sent her a message the following morning saying some lovely things about her (not a problem - I know that she was made redundant recently and has really been struggling with where to go next)… and then telling her that he still has mixed feelings for her

  • that I wonder if your 'fiance' is hiding in plain sight?

Your initial post is thoughtful & intelligent.
Your fiance isn't.

There are no brownie points in 'fessing up when he knew somebody else was going to tell you anyway.

Unless you want to consign yourself to a life of wondering if you are a poor second in his affections, you might be best off cutting your losses & grieving now, rather than later, after who-knows-how-much more uncertainty & pain.

I don't think he told you because he's "honest".
I think he told you because he feels entitled to play you off against his ex & establish what you will put up with.

Don't be that "pick me" dancer.
It will put you on the back foot, & he will view it as carte blanche to keep playing games with you at least - & cheating on you at worst.

Mamabear188473 · 09/09/2021 15:58

I’m so sorry but it sounds like you are a back up if she wanted him he’d be gone x

Justmuddlingalong · 09/09/2021 15:59

If you stay with him, you'll be painted as the neurotic fiancée, who is suspicious when he's out in her company, checks up on him and wants access to his phone. That's no way to live, but it's the way you're choosing if you brush his behaviour under the carpet.

JeSuisPrest · 09/09/2021 16:00

and then telling her that he still has mixed feelings for her.

This is the kicker for me. Has he explained what he meant by those mixed feelings? Is it "I hate you for cheating on me, but we had such a good thing until then I would drop everything to give it another go with you?" He was definitely testing the waters with her. You're worth better than that surely.

RuthTopp · 09/09/2021 16:04

My exh used to do this . Go out with mates now and again but get really drunk , and come home and ' confess ', thinking it was ok as he was being honest. It happened a few times ( with randoms )
But the thing is , they then think you've given them the benefit of doubt , drunk , got carried away ext , and forgotten / forgiven them, so they do it again. How will you know he won't in the future ? How will you know it might go further next time ? The answer is , you won't . You will always wonder / suspect / not trust etc. No way to live for the rest of your life.
You are not married , get out now.
P.s. If you do decide to quit , expect the woe is he , a one off , loves you too much to lose you , give me one more chance etc.

SeaShoreGalore · 09/09/2021 16:04

I would want him to be thinking - thank fuck it ended with ex, orId never have met SeaShore, not this bag o shite!