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DP drunkenly kissed his ex. Not sure if I can get past it all.

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ThoughtThingsWereGreat · 09/09/2021 14:10

This is long. It could definitely be shorter, but I just started writing and kept on going. So apologies for that.

At a very drunken house party at the weekend, DP (well, DFiancé to be precise) kissed and made out with his ex girlfriend of about seven years ago. I’d originally also been at the party, but had left before he did. I’ve always had a slight discomfort about how their relationship ended: I know that she cheated and then broke up with him, completely blindsiding him; and that it took him a very long time to get past her. I know that for a long time afterwards if she’d suggested trying again he’d have jumped at the chance. In the early stages of our relationship this niggled me; however, we’ve now been together over five years and so I’ve felt it was well in the past.

He told me what had happened as soon as he got home (and I do believe this was because he wanted to be honest; but ultimately have to acknowledge that he will also have known he had to tell me because mutual friends who saw him do it would certainly have fed back to me.) However, he also (which I know because I asked to see) sent her a message the following morning saying some lovely things about her (not a problem - I know that she was made redundant recently and has really been struggling with where to go next)… and then telling her that he still has mixed feelings for her.

I can deal with a one-off drunken kiss: we’ve all done stuff we regret when very drunk (although in alcohol’s defence, I’ve done a lot of very stupid stuff when completely sober as well!) and unlike an affair or other type of duplicitous cheating I’ve never felt it should automatically be the end of a relationship in itself. Also, I’m not the thought police, I’m sure many people still have some mixed feelings about an ex, what goes on inside his head in private isn’t something I need to know about, I can live, I think, with the idea that he still cares about her, to some level.

But it’s the combination of all of the things - having remaining feelings for an ex, kissing that ex, AND then telling her that he still has feelings for her - that I’m not sure I can move on from.

I can’t insist he never sees her again: we have a very large interinvolved social group of which she’s a part (I consider/ed her a friend, although not a close one) and I’m not going to become the sort of partner who tells him where he can go and monitors where he’s been, just in case she’s going to be there. And unless I avoid every single activity or party where she could potentially be, then also I’ll have to socialise with her sometimes knowing that she knows I’m in a relationship with her ex who still has feelings for her. Plus any other mutual friends she may have told. I don’t want her or anyone else feeling sorry for me (or gloating behind my back.) I think this is the bit I’m really struggling with. But also, I don’t want to end my relationship out of worry of what others might think or say.

I’ve asked him for some space to think. He’s said all the right things. It isn’t that I don’t believe him. It is, as I said above, the combination of three less than ideal points.

Can we move on from this? Or do I just end things now, to save myself a load of stress and worry in the future? Or is that actually the easy, lazy way out?

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diddl · 09/09/2021 16:04

There are men available who don't kiss anyone else at all when in a relationship-no matter how drunk they get.

I would have thought that not kissing someone else was a basic given tbh!

Redjumper1 · 09/09/2021 16:10

You seem quite liberal about cheating which he would be aware of. To kiss like that right in front of everyone shows a lack of respect. Even if he can't have her or won't ever see her again, it doesn't bode well in general terms for other potential future liaisons or parties to cheat with. He openly did it in front of your friends. If you forget about it you are just giving him leeway to do it again. If not with her, then with somebody else. That's your choice and you might be happy with that. If not, then leave him.

Notonthestairs · 09/09/2021 16:11

I think his "mixed feelings" will be the thorn in your side forever if you stay with him. It wouldn't matter if she moved away/fell in love next week and never darkened your door again - you'll always wonder whether you were Plan B.

I also think telling her he had mixed feelings was a signal to her that should she change her mind he'd consider a reunion.

As posters have said there are men out there that don't have this layer of baggage and who wouldn't drunkenly kiss anyone else let alone an ex in front of your friends.

Christinatherabbit · 09/09/2021 16:11

I'm sorry but there is no way of getting past this. Even if you found a way to move forward it will come back to haunt you one way or another.
It's not just what he did (the kissing if front of your friends) or the fact he does have feelings for her, it's the fact he TOLD her this! It was unnecessary unless he has an reason, for example testing the waters to see how she responds!
If he loved you and was 'choosing you' he would have txt her the next day to say that what happened was a horrible mistake and he is mortified.
A drunken kiss I could personally forgive (although it would take a lot of time!) but this is way beyond that. You need to end it now rather than wait for him to.
Sorry this happened to you

pixietinkdust · 09/09/2021 16:11

Oh dear.

DP drunkenly kissed his ex. Not sure if I can get past it all

There’s no drunkenly about it. Sorry OP but he clearly isn’t over his ex. He would be my Ex-DP at the speed of light in this house. You deserve better. He’s a total knob, as is anyone who cheats.

Alcemeg · 09/09/2021 16:11

So sorry OP, I think the message the next morning was even more disloyal to you than the actual drunken snog. Flowers

RincewindsHat · 09/09/2021 16:13

He wants her, not you. I would drop him like a hot potato. This is not going to end well for you if you stay.

You say you considered the ex a friend; what has she had to say for herself in all this?

Christinatherabbit · 09/09/2021 16:14

@Redjumper1

You seem quite liberal about cheating which he would be aware of. To kiss like that right in front of everyone shows a lack of respect. Even if he can't have her or won't ever see her again, it doesn't bode well in general terms for other potential future liaisons or parties to cheat with. He openly did it in front of your friends. If you forget about it you are just giving him leeway to do it again. If not with her, then with somebody else. That's your choice and you might be happy with that. If not, then leave him.
This is how I feel. Its humiliating. An ex who happens to be a friend of hers...in front of people they know! Then to make it worse messages her the next day telling her he still has feelings for her. It's showing total disrespect and speaks volumes. Its not really about the kiss for me but the other stuff
UnchainedMemory · 09/09/2021 16:15

Marriage is hard enough when you are both devoted to each other. Yes, this will cause upheaval in your life and be a lot of inconvenience, but breaking up and moving away is definitely the right thing to do.

jillandhersprite · 09/09/2021 16:16

Honestly - yes of course you can get past it, and not have too much upheaval in the short term of your life - and instead push it all much further down the line, when no doubt there will be even more to unpick.
Realistically if you go down the line of mortgage together, baby, maternity, wedding, more kids... then every time you aren't getting on as a couple, or every time you hear that she is single again it will cross your mind, or when you don't attend an event, or your partner is drunk without you - and it will cross your mind.
If you ever mention it - your partner is likely to get cross at you, say its in the past, and didn't we sort this all out before, why don't you trust me. If you don't mention it, the though will still be there but it will be hard to ignore, and it is very likely to niggle and fester.
With years of experience I now nod sagely at people that have zero tolerance and deal with the pain straightaway and just feel sorry for the people that are just pushing the inevitable down the line.
I'm sure people will come on here and provide anecdotes that say it can be done - but I don't believe it doesn't rear its head in some ugly way.
Remember people that have gone down the route of staying with a guy like this have a vested interest in proving that they made the right decision (as do the ones that left a guy like this to be fair as well!)

Planesmistakenforstars · 09/09/2021 16:16

The easy, lazy way out would be to sweep this under the rug and continue with the relationship. He kissed another woman with your friends around. He knew you would find out and he didn't care. Please just think about that and what it means. I know you say you don't want to make a decision based on what others think, but the people who saw him do this are going to be at your wedding.

BeachDrifting · 09/09/2021 16:16

It would be over for me. This kind of behaviour is a big no. I did this to an ex (many many years ago when young and stupid) and it was because I was wanting out of my relationship and had no respect for him. I was using him until something better came along. Your fella is doing the same to you. The nail in the coffin is the messaging after. If he’d said “oh my god. I fucked up. I have no interest in you at all and I’m in love with my partner. Hope you understand I’m now going to block you” or similar then MAYBE it’s workable but come on…he was testing the waters. He’s got a hankering for her. You can’t logic that away.

Famousinlove · 09/09/2021 16:18

Illegal activities aside, the biggest deal breaker for me when meeting someone would be if they are not over their ex, it leaves you open to a whole world of pain.

And 7 years on he's still not over her, that's just ridiculous.

Driftingblue · 09/09/2021 16:21

Unless you have children who would have to deal with the end of your relationship, the answer is obvious.

Seesawmummadaw · 09/09/2021 16:21

The next morning when he should have been bending over backwards to make it up to you he instead found time to text her.

Don’t let him make a fool out of you. He’s with you until he can have her.

AGirlCalledJohnny · 09/09/2021 16:27

You're keeping her seat warm OP.

You sound lovely, emotionally mature, level headed and kind. You deserve to be cherished and valued for that, not sliding down the totem pole whenever you're not there Sad

And on a practical note, how will you ever be comfortable to leave those kinds of settings early again? I wouldn't sleep knowing they were together making drunken moon eyes at each other as soon as I left. They're both awful.

ladycarlotta · 09/09/2021 16:28

It's not about "can I get past this?", it's "do I really think so little of myself?"
Like I totally get acknowledging that partners come with baggage, old relationships might be significant etc. But being cool with that does not extend to letting him cheat on you (in a totally messy, teenage, emotionally illiterate manner), AND THEN let his ex know the door is still open. No. No no no. Remove yourself from this situation for YOUR sake, you are not somehow a bigger person for being a doormat.

AGirlCalledJohnny · 09/09/2021 16:29

@NoYOUbekind

I do get that we're all faceless people on the internet. I do get that we probably all say LTB too easily - it's not our lives we're uprooting after all.

But even so lass, you'll never be able to move past this. You know that if she so much as crooks her finger, he'll come running. You know you'll see her over his shoulder during the first dance at your wedding, and all your friends will see you noticing her and will remember 'that' night. You know you'll never be able to leave a night out early again in case it happens again too.

That's no way to live, it will eat you up from the inside out and it will turn you from your sane, easygoing and realistic self into a jealous monster. This will ruin your relationship and I think it could ruin you too. Don't be his second choice. Sorry.

Hadn't seen this when I posted, but absolutely sums up what I wrote. I'd be so humiliated knowing that all of our friends were at our wedding pretending they're happy for us and we're such a great, solid couple.
fruitbrewhaha · 09/09/2021 16:37

argh this is awful OP. He sent that message hoping they would get back together. Has she turned him down? Is this all you want out of life? A husband who moons over his friend all the time and would dump you in a flash if she clicked her fingers?

CheesusWept · 09/09/2021 16:38

A drunken kiss may be one thing, but the sending of a message the next morning is something completely different.

It wasn’t just a drunken kiss - he kissed her because he has feelings for her.
Bin him off.

iseeu · 09/09/2021 16:40

You really do deserve better. And if you were single it would be more likely to happen.

GreyhoundG1rl · 09/09/2021 16:40

Oh, op Sad. No, I don't think you can or should get past this because it wasn't just a drunken snog. The fishing text the next morning is the real betrayal, if he stays with you now you'll always know it's because she said no.

cookingisoverrated · 09/09/2021 16:40

If she showed up on his doorstep tomorrow and said she wanted him back because she was ready to make it work with him, it sounds like he'd go.

You're his second choice, by the sound of it. Can you live with that?

Personally, I'd end it.

GiveMeAUserName123 · 09/09/2021 16:42

That would be a No, why be second best?
Find a guy who thinks your the best thing since slice bread, as that’s how it should be!

CouldIhaveaword · 09/09/2021 16:43

Your attitude to "thought policing" is commendable, but this isn't just going on inside his head, he is acting on it.

He snogged, he texted and, most interestingly, he showed you the text.

I think he wanted you to know.

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