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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

OP posts:
Guiltypleasures001 · 03/09/2021 18:18

If he was that upset he would have transferred the money by now
Sorry your upset op, it's never a nice feeling Thanks

Pinkbonbon · 03/09/2021 18:22

Well done op. I think youce been very mature about this and yes I agree the new offer to pay you back is just a carrot he is dangling. People with decent moral fibre dont need prompting to do the right thing. He's a chancer.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 18:31

Thank you, I never expected to be getting relationship advice from mumsnet. It’s like we’re all slagging him off over a glass of wine.

This isn’t the worst break up I’ve had. He’s not even the worst love interest I’ve had. I’ve got through worse!

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SparklingLime · 03/09/2021 18:32

He’s an dick, dizzy. That’s confirmed beyond doubt now.

Feel disappointed and any other feelings you need to and then enjoy your birthday tomorrow.

WhoIsPepeSilva · 03/09/2021 18:36

The money thing yes it was a red flag, but honestly OP I can't understand why you have minimised his pushy, boundary stepping behaviour over staying the night but more importantly the sex. You say there is context etc that you are privy to that makes it not an issue but there is no context IMO that makes that sort of thing ok.

Any pushy behaviour over sex is a flashing red flag with a loud alarm sound to boot.

Glad you've gotten rid of this one.

pascheretloire · 03/09/2021 18:59

Also, how can he state so assuredly that he lost the card on the dog walk? The definition of lost is that you don't know where something is! I'd put (his) money on him having been paying for stuff with his phone until such time as he miraculously "found" the card at your place. You're well rid OP.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 19:01

Thank you - without going into a whole load more details that just aren’t relevant now, it wasn’t an issue to me once we’d talked about it. Yes it was wrong initially, a lot of it boiled down to miscommunication, we spoke about it and it didn’t happen again.
If it WASNT an issue, I wouldn’t have mentioned it, but I had mentally filed it under ‘resolved issues’, because in my mind that’s exactly what it was. I can appreciate that other people’s experiences are different but that’s just how mine was.

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AlphabetStew · 03/09/2021 19:03

His half hearted (if even that!) assurances that he absolutely intends to pay you back are truly tiresome. If he wanted to pay you back he would. Simple as that. He wouldn't need prompting. He shouldn't need prompting.

I think you've handled the situation extremely well OP and I hope you enjoy your birthday Flowers Cake

123fushia · 03/09/2021 19:09

Well done Dizzy! You deserve better. Xx

WhoIsPepeSilva · 03/09/2021 19:37

I understand what you are saying OP but resolved, miscommunication or not at some or various points he was pushing your bodily/sexual boundaries. The fact that you felt pushed by him in the first place is the red flag the fact that it appears he has successfully managed to explain it away and scale back his behaviour afterwards is besides the point and red flag territory in itself.

But he still tried to push in the first place which is wrong. If you wanted to do something I bet you'd not repeatedly ask for it/make physical movements suggesting you were going to if the person you were doing those things with said no or seemed uncomfortable with it would you?

WhoIsPepeSilva · 03/09/2021 19:42

Should have put resolved in "" because I don't think that sort of behaviour resolves, just is hidden until it comes out again.

You even say yourself that "it was wrong initially". At that point you say to yourself this person doesn't respect my boundaries, I've said no and they've kept trying. This is disturbing behaviour I need them to leave now.

His sexual gratification was more important in that moment than what you wanted. That is really worrying and there's a name for men like that.

BorderlineHappy · 03/09/2021 20:09

I think you are right letting the £40 go.He cant use it as "in" to talk to you again.
It closes any communication right down. And he has no reason to text you again.

RuthTopp · 03/09/2021 20:24

If he fully intended to pay despite the non giving of bank details, he knows your address , so £40 in an envelope would prove his intention to pay.

1WayOrAnother2 · 03/09/2021 20:27

If you stayed with him, you'd have to get used to looking after your own interests. You were already looking out for his. This is very tiring

You have different attitudes to money. He sees what is yours as his. You see what is yours as yours. (What is his stays in his bank!)

He didn't think you were worth his saturdays. You were worth more!

halfhope · 03/09/2021 20:28

I agree with Ruthtopp above

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 20:45

That’s true. Can’t see him doing that. Not sure if I’d even want him to. Itd be too confusing. Not least when he peers through the window and sees his ‘lost’ card sitting on my coffee table.

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SpringlikeBunk · 03/09/2021 21:03

That message is genuinely ick - he knows full well what he's doing.

Obviously he's history, but I wonder what he'd do if you couldn't host all of a sudden and said you wanted to date "out"?

There's a lot of guys on the dating scene who are genuinely like this - they feel entitled to "home space for chilling out and physical intimacy" which is paid for by someone else.

So the woman is working her arse off and doing all the logistics of "keeping a home together, DIY, dealing with dodgy neighbours" whilst the guy is enjoying seeing his salary add up in his bank account.

Nice deal for him...

MerryHellbreakingloose · 03/09/2021 21:08

This has brought back memories of a really tight guy I dated.

He took me to the cinema and asked for two child tickets, then pretended to look for the other child (I was only 15/16 at the time).

He promised we would spend the night in a hotel for my birthday. Then said that every hotel he tried was sold out. My birthday is in mid January and we were looking in Hereford. There's no way every single hotel was fully booked.

He once offered to pick me up a McDonald's on the way over. Then turned up empty handed because they'd "run out". I fully suspect he bought for himself but didn't want to buy for me.

The worst was Christmas. I'd saved and saved (I was still in school so no job - he worked full time) to buy him his favourite aftershave and a gold eyebrow bar. He gave me a £10 note in a generic card from a packet.

Sally2791 · 03/09/2021 21:19

I imagine he’s found his bank card now.
You’re smelling a rat, he’s playing at cocklodging
Easiest to get rid now.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 21:20

Ooh ok! I had one boyfriend who didn’t bother with my birthday but told me he’d make it up to me for Christmas?
(Yes, I know….)
He asked for ideas on what I wanted and one of the things I’d asked for was the urban decay naked eyeshadow palate. Dreamy lovely bronzey nudey shades of wonder.
He turned up at my house on Boxing Day (yes, I know) with some horrible glittery pastel yoke which apparently the shop assistant in debenhams had assured him was very similar.

Another time he told me he was getting me a Michael kors rose gold watch (yes, I know). It didn’t turn up for Christmas and he said he’d ran out of money but would get it at his next payday. He in fact gave me his card and told me to order the one I wanted ( yes, I know….). Dutifully did so, but the order just wouldn’t go through for some reason. The fucker had cancelled his card just after giving it to me.

OP posts:
Feedingthebirds1 · 03/09/2021 21:54

@dizzyupthegirl86

Ooh ok! I had one boyfriend who didn’t bother with my birthday but told me he’d make it up to me for Christmas? (Yes, I know….) He asked for ideas on what I wanted and one of the things I’d asked for was the urban decay naked eyeshadow palate. Dreamy lovely bronzey nudey shades of wonder. He turned up at my house on Boxing Day (yes, I know) with some horrible glittery pastel yoke which apparently the shop assistant in debenhams had assured him was very similar.

Another time he told me he was getting me a Michael kors rose gold watch (yes, I know). It didn’t turn up for Christmas and he said he’d ran out of money but would get it at his next payday. He in fact gave me his card and told me to order the one I wanted ( yes, I know….). Dutifully did so, but the order just wouldn’t go through for some reason. The fucker had cancelled his card just after giving it to me.

You do pick 'em, don't you! Grin

My Miss Marple brain says he hid his card deliberately. Otherwise how can he be sure enough to tell you he lost it on the walk?

PornStarQuarantini · 03/09/2021 22:11

Hope you had a great birthday OP. You are clearly one helluva gal and have strong boundaries and high self respect. Well done you. I admire you.

BorderlineHappy · 03/09/2021 22:29

My Miss Marple brain says he hid his card deliberately. Otherwise how can he be sure enough to tell you he lost it on the walk?

Ye he just wasnt quick enough to take it out of the hoodie.Serves him rghtGrin

JuneOsborne · 03/09/2021 22:48

All I can say, is it shouldn't be this much hard work l, this early on. So on that basis, no matter what the cause of it, you did the right thing.

wincarwoo · 03/09/2021 23:21

Slightly derailing but I was once given a Leeds scarf and tickets to a Leeds match in a plastic bag for Christmas.

OP good luck with the new found space in your brain that isn't occupied with resentment 💐

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