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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

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MyPatronusIsACat · 03/09/2021 16:39

@dizzyupthegirl86 Urgh no way. Run for the hills!!! Shock

This man is either tightfisted, OR he is brassick and will never have and spare money.

BOTH of the above are very unappealing in a man.

I would be bailing on this 'relationship' right now!

MyPatronusIsACat · 03/09/2021 16:40

Never have ANY spare money!

alwaysraininghere · 03/09/2021 16:48

Honestly I wouldn't waste your breath. Why tell him? You don't owe him an explanation. His behaviour is so far from normal that any explanation you give is not that likely to give him a sudden epiphany and change him. He sounds selfish and that the world owes him, and that really doesn't have anything to do with you. That's HIS stuff. And if you say it out loud to him it just gives him more justification to argue with you and turn you into the unreasonable one. I'd leave it politely. This isn't working for me, I wish you well.

Rainbowshine · 03/09/2021 16:48

Your reply to him:

Like I said, it’s not working for me. We’re just not compatible. Thanks and all the best for the future, Dizzy.

Block him if he is a pain or you don’t want to hear from him right now.

ShimmyYay · 03/09/2021 16:57

Honestly move on you can do better for yourself , what kind of life can you expect to have with him if this is what the begging looks like already

FinallyHere · 03/09/2021 16:57

Well done on getting him out of your life.

Now, your next big step is to get him out of your gear. He doesn't deserve the amount of brain cycles you are wasting on him.

Give yourself something to do that will engross you. Turn out a cupboard, paint the bathroom. Pick up a pen and a piece of paper and mind map how you want to spend your free time for the next three months. Put on some music for a kitchen disco. Do whatever you want, making sure hie is firmly in you yesterday.

Your future is going to be just great. Enjoy.

Fruitandnuts · 03/09/2021 17:00

I dated a guy briefly (thankfully i saw sense). He was similar, when i went to his house, ...sorry his parents house... he'd cook whatever was available (so didnt actually buy any food). When he came to mine i seemed to always end up ordering the takeways and drinks. It was very slightly done in a way that i ended up paying. He'd suggest meals out but ALWAYS had a groupon voucher. If we went a walk and there was a coffee van etc i'd say oh i'd love a coffee he'd never have any money, excuses, excuses and they just grew. My gut registered this but i give him the benefit of doubt etc and pushed the thoughts away. He was a friend of a friend so i stupidly trusted him more and felt we more familiar.

I had randomly put £10 in a kitchen drawer and some coins. He would stay over and i'd go on to work, him and mutual friend so it was fine. I had this really odd feeling that he'd take the money in my kitchen drawer, i cant explain it. So after work i went straight to the drawer and you guessed it the £10 was gone. I couldn't get my head around it, he'd not text me to ask for a lend or anything. I just knew he had taken it. So i get changed from work clothes and the awful feelings of being taken advantage of grew, and i got really annoyed. I wondered if i should just not say a thing and wait to see him he brought it up. i felt so disgusted and strange. We chatted on the phone and he never mentioned it. So i text him ' Hey just wondering did you perhaps take some money i had in my kitchen?' He's reply 'Oh yeah i needed some money for the train home'.
Well i lost the plot, as in mentally....i was beyond disgusted. i said nothing but said i was annoyed to which he downplayed this and made it out that i was blowing this out of proportion. He said... i would share things with you, no big deal i was going to repay you.
That was it, i swiftly ended it. Never ever wanted to see him again. After that my radar for nonsense was sorted. My friend was disgusted to and challenged him and he again downplayed the whole thing like i was silly. This guy sounds the same. Dont even engage with why you are ending it. Move on, no good will come from him. I have heard so much more through our mutual friend and i am so so glad i got rid because my date is just a complete loser.

WTF475878237NC · 03/09/2021 17:05

Well done OP. He isn't necessarily a bad guy of course! Just not for you.

JosiahJosiahKate · 03/09/2021 17:21

@dizzyupthegirl86

I actually found it - so doesn’t look like he lied. I’ve got to be honest and say that I’m wavering a little. When it seemed as though he’d lied to get out of paying, I was dead set. He could have offered to transfer the money and he absolutely should have. But now for some reason, I’m feeling bad. Stupid, really.
Could he have hidden it in your house to get out of paying?
dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 17:35

Yeah so I text him. I just said that Saturdays were an issue. He’d led me to believe they weren’t set in stone but it appears that they are. And that I feel financially used. I said ‘I don’t know where you got it in your head that it’s ok to let me pay for the majority of the times we eat - but it’s not’.

Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?
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dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 17:44

My reply to him was that he should have done that without me having to ask - on both counts, and that there was no way back from that. He thanked me for being honest, apologised for ballsing it up and wished me all the best.

I feel simultaneously better and worse. Better that I’ve got it off my chest to him and that he won’t contact me again (which was a risk if I’d ignored him) but worse now that it’s ‘officially’ over, I suppose.

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Clymene · 03/09/2021 17:47

I read that and just thought 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'.

Not only did he say that he was going to pay you back (and I don't believe he doesn't have a banking app on his phone), he then follows it up by saying that normally it's your fault because you pay over the phone!

He's tight. You've made the right decision.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 17:47

Side note - I just don’t believe him. If he’d been fully intending to pay when we went out, he wouldn’t have made the comments about the restaurant prices or splitting the taxi fare.
And while I did use my phone to pay most of the time, it was only coz he didn’t volunteer. And that doesn’t stop him offering to pay for it. The time to offer to pay was at the time, not when I tell him it’s now become a problem.

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Sssloou · 03/09/2021 17:49

He’s slithering.

He knew exactly what he was doing financially and with the Saturdays.

Yuck. He shouldn’t have left you feeling bad - but that’s what manipulative people do.

Andylion · 03/09/2021 17:55

OP, I am glad that you have sent the text and replied to his reply.

However, I believe you said he'd lost one time before and you found in the sofa? (Unless I am mixing up two threads.) Does he not have a wallet? If he drives to your place where does he keep his driver's license? Why would he take his bank card when he wore your hoodie. It's not like he was going to use it. Grin

Maybe he "lost" it the first time in a place you would easily find it, and "forgot " he'd had it in your hoodie this second time as part of some evil, tight, genius plan.

HollowTalk · 03/09/2021 17:56

You've done the right thing. People who are tight always say that they were willing to pay but that someone else paid first. They don't mention the length of time they wait for that to happen.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 17:56

I DID feel bad on the day because of him. Now I feel bad because it’s over, but that’s a me thing, not a him thing. That would happen regardless of what he did or said now. So it’s a necessary evil really. He has been banished to the whatsapp archives. Where old tinder matches and ex boyfriends go to die.

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DameFanny · 03/09/2021 18:00

So he knew he 'lost' his card on the dog walk but hadn't checked the hoodie? Nah.

Sssloou · 03/09/2021 18:02

It’s fine to feel disappointed that he behaved badly and you had to end it because of course you wanted a different outcome.

You gave him plenty of scope and you could see time and time again the pattern.

Just because you are down and disappointed that he didn’t step up / the relationship didn’t develop - doesn’t mean you want to be back with him.

I am sure you know the difference.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 18:03

@Andylion

OP, I am glad that you have sent the text and replied to his reply.

However, I believe you said he'd lost one time before and you found in the sofa? (Unless I am mixing up two threads.) Does he not have a wallet? If he drives to your place where does he keep his driver's license? Why would he take his bank card when he wore your hoodie. It's not like he was going to use it. Grin

Maybe he "lost" it the first time in a place you would easily find it, and "forgot " he'd had it in your hoodie this second time as part of some evil, tight, genius plan.

He did lose his card one time before. Except I found it the next day behind the sofa before he realised it was missing. I don’t think he uses a wallet - but then in fairness, I am just as likely to put my card in my pocket rather than take out a handbag. It is entirely likely he planted the card in my hoodie as an excuse - but even giving him the benefit of the doubt, he could (and should) have offered to transfer the money to me when I paid it. I absolutely have no issue doing the paying all the time if they pay me back. If I was in the early stages of dating someone and they paid on their phone, I’d absolutely insist on paying on the next occasion if they wouldn’t let me transfer the money.
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phishy · 03/09/2021 18:04

Say yes to transferring the £40. Bet he won’t!

JosiahJosiahKate · 03/09/2021 18:04

Stupid bleddy app means I look like a chump as I obviously hadn't RTFT 🤨

Sssloou · 03/09/2021 18:06

Does he already have your bank details?

I would be confirming that the £40 he was intending to transfer was welcome.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 18:12

No he doesn’t, and I won’t be giving them to him. That gives him justification to feel better then (‘well I did pay in the end’) and actually won’t make me feel any better about things.

It’s just occurred to me that that’s another fancy candle though.

No, I don’t want the will he/won’t he going through my mind. If it’s cost me £40 to realise now that he’s not decent boyfriend material, it’s forty quid well spent. I don’t want to take anything from him that he wasn’t willing to give in the first place.

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Rainbowshine · 03/09/2021 18:14

He “guesses” a lot in his reply, doesn’t he?! He knew full well what he was doing. The “anything I can do to make it up” is classic, he knows he was taking advantage. If someone is ordering on the phone you’d wave some cash at them for your contribution or offer a bank transfer there and then. You’re well rid of him. Hopefully he won’t be a dick and keep messaging you, do block him if he does. Wine Cake and a takeaway 🥡 for you @dizzyupthegirl86