Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

How to respond to this message

182 replies

bathsh3ba · 13/08/2021 15:44

I'm sure I'm going to get a bunch of 'LTB' responses to this but I'm not going to do that just yet so would really appreciate some suggestions of the best way to reply.

Known this guy about 3 months. For context, we are both long-time divorced and haven't dated since our divorces. We were both cheated on. We are both very cautious and he is exceptionally so and very indecisive (this comes out in other parts of his life as well).

During these 3 months we've effectively been dating but we haven't really put a label on it. With the exception of the periods I'm about to describe, we message several times a day, see each other once or twice a week. He is lovely in the vast majority of ways and I have fallen for him. He has always been extremely respectful apart from see below.

The big problem is that his response to any perceived conflict or any difficult feelings is not just to go into his man cave but to disappear. Basically, he blocks me for a few days. Then he comes back and apologises - but obviously it has its effect on me. It happened twice earlier in the year before we actually met (so before the 3 month clock started), then once three weeks ago, and then again just now, but this time is a little different.

When he came back 3 weeks ago he was clearly still very anxious. He said he wasn't ready for a relationship but he wanted to be friends. He also told me I 'should date other people'. I didn't want to lose him so I agreed but we quickly slipped back into effectively dating, so we had a conversation and agreed we 'wouldn't call it dating but we were obviously more than friends'.

Things were going well, we were getting closer, then he clearly got anxious again and started backing off saying he felt pressured (but didn't block me). So in what I can only describe as a fit of pique, I re-registered on the dating site, thinking 'well, he told me to date....'.

About ten minutes later, I get a text saying he has seen me on there and wishes me luck and immediately I'm blocked.

However, this time he didn't block me on Messenger so I got hold of him on there and asked what on earth was going on. It turned out that he thought that after our conversation about being more than friends we would be exclusive. He had suspended his profile but got an email to say I had logged on, so logged on and saw me and he now feels I was deceitful and unfaithful and he doesn't know if he can trust me.

That was Monday. Since then, I remain blocked on everything except Messenger but he is talking to me sporadically on there. He says he is sorry he has made such a fuss but it's a big deal to him and he doesn't know what he wants to do. Most recently, I just asked if he was okay and he replied that he thought he was and asked if I was.

Do I tell him the truth, that I'm not okay? Do I issue some kind of ultimatum? Or do I just give him time?

I'm not going to block him because I don't block people unless they're harassing me repeatedly. And I'm not going to ignore him because I'm not rude.

OP posts:
alexa677 · 14/08/2021 21:23

@bathsh3ba

It's hard to explain the wider context but I'll try.

I don't really see the point of going back on dating sites. I've been on and off them since my divorce but in all that time I only came across 3 guys I even liked. The effort required versus the potential gain doesn't seem sufficient. I don't really know why I went back on this time but it wasn't the right decision. I'd rather be single than a serial online dater. I've been single seven years, what's one more. In addition, I will only date within my religion and I'm committed to celibacy outside of marriage. So realistically, my options are very limited.

My ex-husband was abusive. I know what abuse looks like, I've done the Freedom Programme, I've successfully identified and avoided red flags in abusive men before. I honestly don't think this guy is. But he is flaky and he is messing me around and I do deserve better than that.

So given that I have no desire to jump back into the online dating melting pot and no-one else in the pipeline and that I don't think he is dangerous or abusive, I don't see the harm in giving him the opportunity to show he can be different. I've drawn a line in the sand, I've made myself clear. If he crosses it, he won't get another chance.

I'll just end up single forever but hey that's life.

But do you understand that he's been online dating this whole time??

As various PPs have said, there's no way he'd get an email letting him know you've rejoined. I've been OLD on & off for 6 years and never heard anything so ridiculous

Sally2791 · 14/08/2021 22:17

He’s training you to put up with shit. Big red flags. Dump and run.

Lovelybottom · 14/08/2021 22:23

Sorry op that is a crappy way for it to end without getting properly started.

Tibtab · 15/08/2021 06:09

You’re just going to keep moving the line everytime he crosses it…

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 15/08/2021 08:05

he hopes I may still be single when he is

hmm, that sounds like he isn't single now? Yhinn you've dodged a bullet here OP

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 15/08/2021 08:11

@EvenMoreFuriousVexation

he hopes I may still be single when he is

hmm, that sounds like he isn't single now? Yhinn you've dodged a bullet here OP

When he is 'ready for a relationship' maybe

OP please just delete his number and block him. This is a silly silly game that needs to end.

LitPearl · 15/08/2021 08:14

I'd reply '' you told me to date, and then you gave me the silent treatment. Passive aggression and mixed messages are not for me ''

There. That is not ending it. I'm not telling you to lose the bastard. But realistically, if you're not turned off by the entitlement of a man wanting to remain free to shop around while ordering you to be exclusive, and using passive aggressive sulking to manipulate you in to that unfair situation, if that doesn't turn you off Confused then he has found a woman with a very low bar. This will work out well for him..

LitPearl · 15/08/2021 08:17

@bathsh3ba

A quick update as to his response, in case anyone is interested.

He has replied saying he understands, he's sorry he isn't ready, he hopes I may still be single when he is but he doesn't expect me to wait.

And I've ignored it.

OH Good, I'd missed this update. YOu dodged a fuckwit bullet
OnlyMsLonely · 15/08/2021 08:25

OP for now you've definitely dodged a bullet.

If he comes back, please remember that he's showing you who he is - believe him.

Hopeisallineed · 15/08/2021 08:26

I think you have dodged a massive bullet. He’s clearly a liar snd a manipulator, I would not reply to that last text but just quietly step away. There will be someone out there for you, just not him.

Nanny0gg · 15/08/2021 09:17

@BadMotherLover

OP had specifically asked for responses other than LTB. It is disappointing that so many replies ( for whatever reason) include the advice to LTB. How did you think you were helping?
But if that’s the obvious answer, that’s the advice.

Telling her all would be fine is pointless.

Don’t ask for advice if you don’t want to hear it

bathsh3ba · 15/08/2021 09:20

I was paraphrasing him, he said he hoped I might still be single when he is ready to date. He also said that he didn't want to close the door on dating in the future but he was worried he'd be burned if I found someone else. I was tempted to reply tough luck, dating is a risk and send him a 'should have put a ring on it' meme but I didn't....

Anyway, I was clear in my message that I only wanted to talk to him if he was ready to date. So I haven't replied and won't unless he actually shows some willingness to have an adult conversation about it all. But equally I don't see the need to block. (I really, really hate blocking, if you haven't guessed.)

I've archived the chat on Messenger so I don't see when he's online and I've deleted his number off my phone so I'm not tempted to check if he's unblocked me on WhatsApp.

I feel I've responded honourably at least so I can walk away with my head held high. And cry.

OP posts:
BichonFrizz · 15/08/2021 09:28

You've done the right thing. You really have. It feels horrible right now and I'm sorry but you have handled this with dignity my and grace.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 15/08/2021 11:38

You've done exactly the right thing and with a dollop of dignity on top. Nicely done.

Hopeisallineed · 15/08/2021 11:44

Well done OP, it’s hard I know but you have absolutely done the right thing. He can’t have his cake and eat it, or keep you as an ‘option’. Very dignified.

Peach01 · 15/08/2021 11:45

You've handled it really well and he should take a leaf out of your book when it comes to these kinds of situations. He's behaved ridiculous and it's not fair to put someone through all of the toing and froing whenever there's a bump in the road. He's making the situation difficult.

AramintaLee · 15/08/2021 11:53

OP, you should feel proud of yourself for laying your cards on the table and sticking to your guns. Don't waste any more time on a man who isn't worthy of you.

1WayOrAnother2 · 15/08/2021 12:05

Firm and fair OP - well done.

As for men not fighting for you - you just haven't met the right men yet. Abusers are about themselves and have no interest in fighting for anyone else.

GentlemanJay · 15/08/2021 12:56

Three months. You owe each other nothing. Such hard work and only 12 weeks in.

Move on.

GentlemanJay · 15/08/2021 12:56

@Sparklfairy

He had suspended his profile but got an email to say I had logged on, so logged on and saw me and he now feels I was deceitful and unfaithful and he doesn't know if he can trust me.

You know this is a lie right? He categorically did not get an email saying you had logged on.

He was on there and wants the freedom to date other people, but doesn't like you doing the same. Get rid of him.

Bingo.
RogueV · 15/08/2021 13:00

Omg. He sounds horrendous. Drop him now please OP. Do not get into a relationship with him.

sallysausage55 · 15/08/2021 13:05

This sounds like incredibly hard work. No matter how nice someone is occasionally, it doesn't make up for this utter bullshit. You've both been cheated on, you're both entitled to have your own trust issues. But why is he allowed to project his onto you and make you feel bad? There is nothing worse than someone who just picks you up and drops you as and when it suits them. It's selfish and cowardly and after a meagre three months I would cut my losses while you've still got your sanity.

Skiptheheartsandflowers · 15/08/2021 15:37

he said he hoped I might still be single when he is ready to date. He also said that he didn't want to close the door on dating in the future but he was worried he'd be burned if I found someone else

OMG, he was still angling to get you to say 'there won't be anyone else, I'll wait for you!' What a manipulative have-my-cake-and-eat-it type he is.

Stick to your rules OP and don't message him or look for messages. Start looking actively for other people to date as I doubt he will change. And do NOT respond to lame 'just wondering if you're ok' type message bait.

lilmishap · 15/08/2021 15:42

@Sally2791

He’s training you to put up with shit. Big red flags. Dump and run.
Yep yep. Can you login to the app and block him on it? Would he still claim to have gotten an email I wonder....
insatiableme · 15/08/2021 17:08

You have done the right thing. It's sounds total bullshit that he had a email you went back in a dating website. He was clearly on there and leaving his options open. He sounds abusive blocking you when ever he doesn't like something, not scared of getting hurt.