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How to respond to this message

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bathsh3ba · 13/08/2021 15:44

I'm sure I'm going to get a bunch of 'LTB' responses to this but I'm not going to do that just yet so would really appreciate some suggestions of the best way to reply.

Known this guy about 3 months. For context, we are both long-time divorced and haven't dated since our divorces. We were both cheated on. We are both very cautious and he is exceptionally so and very indecisive (this comes out in other parts of his life as well).

During these 3 months we've effectively been dating but we haven't really put a label on it. With the exception of the periods I'm about to describe, we message several times a day, see each other once or twice a week. He is lovely in the vast majority of ways and I have fallen for him. He has always been extremely respectful apart from see below.

The big problem is that his response to any perceived conflict or any difficult feelings is not just to go into his man cave but to disappear. Basically, he blocks me for a few days. Then he comes back and apologises - but obviously it has its effect on me. It happened twice earlier in the year before we actually met (so before the 3 month clock started), then once three weeks ago, and then again just now, but this time is a little different.

When he came back 3 weeks ago he was clearly still very anxious. He said he wasn't ready for a relationship but he wanted to be friends. He also told me I 'should date other people'. I didn't want to lose him so I agreed but we quickly slipped back into effectively dating, so we had a conversation and agreed we 'wouldn't call it dating but we were obviously more than friends'.

Things were going well, we were getting closer, then he clearly got anxious again and started backing off saying he felt pressured (but didn't block me). So in what I can only describe as a fit of pique, I re-registered on the dating site, thinking 'well, he told me to date....'.

About ten minutes later, I get a text saying he has seen me on there and wishes me luck and immediately I'm blocked.

However, this time he didn't block me on Messenger so I got hold of him on there and asked what on earth was going on. It turned out that he thought that after our conversation about being more than friends we would be exclusive. He had suspended his profile but got an email to say I had logged on, so logged on and saw me and he now feels I was deceitful and unfaithful and he doesn't know if he can trust me.

That was Monday. Since then, I remain blocked on everything except Messenger but he is talking to me sporadically on there. He says he is sorry he has made such a fuss but it's a big deal to him and he doesn't know what he wants to do. Most recently, I just asked if he was okay and he replied that he thought he was and asked if I was.

Do I tell him the truth, that I'm not okay? Do I issue some kind of ultimatum? Or do I just give him time?

I'm not going to block him because I don't block people unless they're harassing me repeatedly. And I'm not going to ignore him because I'm not rude.

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BringOnTheOtherWorlders · 14/08/2021 04:03

Going back to the title of this post, "How to Respond to this Message" and then in your story towards the end, you write, "Do I tell him the truth...."

If you can't be yourself and respond to his text in your own authentic manner - this is not the relationship for you. Be true to yourself. Don't try and craft some specific message in order to keep him - because that is the type of message you are wanting, right? - one where you try and state how you really feel, but without losing him? You don't want to draw too hard a boundary, because you don't want to be rejected.

That's bonkers. You can't find the words because it is not a message you should send.

NotaCoolMum · 14/08/2021 07:34

Oh my dear God RUN. He’s a nut job and I guarantee you he’ll bring you nothing but grief and heartache. At 3 months this is him on his best behaviour?! 🙄

GreyPaw · 14/08/2021 07:35

He sounds a lot like my ex. My ex had a personality disorder. Even he managed to keep stable for most of the time and only did this kind of hot-cold stuff when he was under a lot of stress and dysregulating. If your DP is doing it from the very start, it's not going to get better. This is as good as it gets. Where is the stability, the certainty, the reliability for you?

Also he definitely didn't get that email. He utterly, certainly, definitely didn't get it when his account was 'suspended'

Oldtiredfedup · 14/08/2021 07:40

Life is far too short for this shit.

I had something similar a few years back, and it turned out that he was busy shagging at least one other person too, and he ended up marrying her - poor woman had no idea I’m sure what a rat he is because she obviously believed they were exclusive and he was still stringing me along a good few months into their relationship)

Men are l, for the most part, selfish idiots. Dint waste any more time on this one.

bathsh3ba · 14/08/2021 09:48

Thanks for all the responses. To the PP who mentioned sex, we haven't had sex or any sexual contact so I don't need to worry about STDs.

I've replied to him to say that no, I'm not okay because I don't like being blocked and I'm tired of waiting for him to make his mind up. I told him he either dates me exclusively, or he doesn't, no more halfway houses. And that I won't block him but I don't want to hear from him again unless he is ready to commit to exclusivity and to stop blocking me/shutting me out whenever he gets anxious.

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ShellyShore · 14/08/2021 09:51

@Percypigg

He sounds incredibly manipulative and not an especially good man. Walk away. Life is too short.

Re Dating sites, some do (or certainly did) let you know when your 'favourites' were online. So if he had saved the OP profile as a favourite, he could elect to receive notifications confirming when she was online.

That aside, I wouldn't want to be with someone who didn't value me/our friendship /relationship. Surely you can't see a future with this man?

Re Dating sites, some do (or certainly did) let you know when your 'favourites' were online. So if he had saved the OP profile as a favourite, he could elect to receive notifications confirming when she was online

Op re registered so that wouldn't apply.

layladomino · 14/08/2021 09:55

Good for you op. I suspect that one of 2 things will happen now.

One is that he'll realise you aren't as daft as he hoped you would be / won't put up with his poor, childish behaviour, and he'll just disappear, and start hunting for someone he can abuse.

Another is that he'll realise you're on to him and will make all sorts of promises, he wants to be exclusice / you're the best thing that ever happened to him / he doesn't deserve you, and then he'll go back to his sulking ways within a few weeks. By which time he'll realise he can just make some bland promises and get away with it.

This is who he is. After 3 months he's treating you so very badly and you're saying you don't want to walk away, and I don't understand why. He is testing how far he can push you. He is purposely punishing you. He is sulking like a badly behaved child when he doesn't get his own way. He is messing you about. He is saying he doesn't want a r'ship with you. He is clearly still OLD himself.

He is no prize. At 3 months, if it's a good relationship, you should be skipping around and feeling like he's the best person in the world for you. Not posting on a board like this because you can't deal with his poor behaviour.

He is telling you who he is. Show him who you are - you are better than this. You deserve better. If you put up with him now you are giving him (in his eyes) a licence to ramp it up and try other forms of emotional abuse.

MingeofDeath · 14/08/2021 10:04

What is the point of posting and asking for advice and saying you are going to ignore it? If this is going to be the case then you are an absolute fool.

EarringsandLipstick · 14/08/2021 10:14

I think you're crackers to give him even the slightest second chance.

This isn't about insecurity & lack of confidence in his part. He has treated you appallingly. Blocking you, coming back, creating a non-relationship where you are 'more than friends'.

I feel so sorry for you, because this is your first experience dating since your divorce, and it's been with an arse.

Please just end any contact and move on. He's not worth it & you are worth so much more

Illstartexercisingtomorrow · 14/08/2021 10:15

Good update.

However I still don’t understand why you won’t take control and just leave him.

Have all your past relationships been bad? So this one in comparison looks good? It’s really not good at all.

tobedtoMNandfart · 14/08/2021 10:17

WHY ON EARTH? Of all the men in the world are you so determined to persevere with this one?

Read the thread again & actually listen this time.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 14/08/2021 10:18

@bathsh3ba

Thanks for all the responses. To the PP who mentioned sex, we haven't had sex or any sexual contact so I don't need to worry about STDs.

I've replied to him to say that no, I'm not okay because I don't like being blocked and I'm tired of waiting for him to make his mind up. I told him he either dates me exclusively, or he doesn't, no more halfway houses. And that I won't block him but I don't want to hear from him again unless he is ready to commit to exclusivity and to stop blocking me/shutting me out whenever he gets anxious.

How long are you going to wait before you move on? I mean presumably you were on a dating site in the first place because you wanted, eventually, a long term committed relationship. So are you just going to put your life plans on hold while he fucks you about over and over?

It's good that you have stated your boundaries but all of his behaviour so far tells you that he will keep pulling this shit as long as you let him. He gave you the silent treatment 2 separate times before you even met!! I can't believe you went on one date with him, let alone 3 months.

AllyBama · 14/08/2021 10:22

It makes me sad when people have such a low opinion of themselves that think this is all they’re worth. This guy.

Do yourself a favour OP and save this thread. Read all the advice back the next time he messes you around, save us the time.

Sparklfairy · 14/08/2021 10:26

And that I won't block him but I don't want to hear from him again unless he is ready to commit to exclusivity

I get why you've sent this but all you've done is hand him yet more control. Now he can just not reply and leave you hanging indefinitely, With no straight answer either way, you'll always have in the back of your mind that he just hasn't replied 'yet'.

billy1966 · 14/08/2021 10:36

OP,

You have a target on your head to be treated badly.

3 months🙄

Such drama.🙄

bathsh3ba · 14/08/2021 10:39

It's hard to explain the wider context but I'll try.

I don't really see the point of going back on dating sites. I've been on and off them since my divorce but in all that time I only came across 3 guys I even liked. The effort required versus the potential gain doesn't seem sufficient. I don't really know why I went back on this time but it wasn't the right decision. I'd rather be single than a serial online dater. I've been single seven years, what's one more. In addition, I will only date within my religion and I'm committed to celibacy outside of marriage. So realistically, my options are very limited.

My ex-husband was abusive. I know what abuse looks like, I've done the Freedom Programme, I've successfully identified and avoided red flags in abusive men before. I honestly don't think this guy is. But he is flaky and he is messing me around and I do deserve better than that.

So given that I have no desire to jump back into the online dating melting pot and no-one else in the pipeline and that I don't think he is dangerous or abusive, I don't see the harm in giving him the opportunity to show he can be different. I've drawn a line in the sand, I've made myself clear. If he crosses it, he won't get another chance.

I'll just end up single forever but hey that's life.

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layladomino · 14/08/2021 10:48

Single forever is tonnes better than tied to a manipulative, childish, flaky man who spends all his time worrying about his own feelings and none thinking about yours.

You are 3 months in - bear in mind that this is him at his best.

Dancingonmoonlight · 14/08/2021 10:50

I told him he either dates me exclusively, or he doesn't, no more halfway houses. And that I won't block him but I don't want to hear from him again unless he is ready to commit to exclusivity and to stop blocking me/shutting me out whenever he gets anxious.

From someone who has been in your position, I would advise you to save yourself a lot of drama and potential heartache by forgetting all about this man now.

If a man is interested in you, he will leave you in no doubt that he is interested. He will not play games. He will fight for the prize ie you. This man is already taking up headspace in a negative way.

You do not have to issue ultimatums to someone you are just getting to know. What would you do if this was a new female friend? You'd quickly step surely and tell yourself you were worth more?

bathsh3ba · 14/08/2021 10:53

@Dancingonmoonlight I don't think any man has ever fought for me. Clearly I'm just not worth fighting for.

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Sparklfairy · 14/08/2021 10:53

@bathsh3ba

It's hard to explain the wider context but I'll try.

I don't really see the point of going back on dating sites. I've been on and off them since my divorce but in all that time I only came across 3 guys I even liked. The effort required versus the potential gain doesn't seem sufficient. I don't really know why I went back on this time but it wasn't the right decision. I'd rather be single than a serial online dater. I've been single seven years, what's one more. In addition, I will only date within my religion and I'm committed to celibacy outside of marriage. So realistically, my options are very limited.

My ex-husband was abusive. I know what abuse looks like, I've done the Freedom Programme, I've successfully identified and avoided red flags in abusive men before. I honestly don't think this guy is. But he is flaky and he is messing me around and I do deserve better than that.

So given that I have no desire to jump back into the online dating melting pot and no-one else in the pipeline and that I don't think he is dangerous or abusive, I don't see the harm in giving him the opportunity to show he can be different. I've drawn a line in the sand, I've made myself clear. If he crosses it, he won't get another chance.

I'll just end up single forever but hey that's life.

Your update suggests you're happy to settle. I can sort of understand the logic of setting the boundary and seeing 'if' he crosses it but IME you're simply delaying the inevitable - even if he steps up for a while, this is fundamentally who he is, a mindfuck, a player, someone who enjoys creating a vortex of drama and sitting back and watching the chaos.
MikeWozniaksGloriousTache · 14/08/2021 11:10

Life is too fucking short to be playing these games honestly. Get rid, move on and be happy rather than waste your time with a man child who blocks you at every conflict or every time he sees fit.

TheFrogsAreDying · 14/08/2021 11:12

It’s 3 months in. There’s nothing remotely sensible or smart to do but LTB.

Skyla2005 · 14/08/2021 11:26

[quote bathsh3ba]@Dancingonmoonlight I don't think any man has ever fought for me. Clearly I'm just not worth fighting for.[/quote]
Stop feeling sorry for yourself and get rid of this total waste of space. Move on and expect more from men the fact that you have even been entertaining this behaviour for 3 months says you have low self worth. Forget about dating and work on your own self worth and self esteem becAuse losers spot it a mile off. Value yourself more and do not put up with this shit from the very first sign of it just get rid

EarringsandLipstick · 14/08/2021 11:29

I don't see the harm in giving him the opportunity to show he can be different.

I do.

It's barely 3 months & he's treated you very unkindly and unacceptably, repeatedly.

It's only the first three months - he should be at his best!

It would be preferable to be alone than being subject to this poor treatment.

I understand how hard it must seem - I have been single, without any possibility of a date, since my marriage ended 8 years ago. It was abusive, I had 3 small children & no support. Most of that time was just survival, practically, emotionally & financially. Now things are easier but I can't even imagine dating. I was always someone who had long-term relationships & met my exH when I was 20. I wouldn't be interested in casual dating or sex but feel sad to think that part of my life is non-existent. But hope there might be an opportunity in the future.

But I wouldn't put up with a rude dick of a man - which he is - as the least-worst option.

EarringsandLipstick · 14/08/2021 11:30

@layladomino

Single forever is tonnes better than tied to a manipulative, childish, flaky man who spends all his time worrying about his own feelings and none thinking about yours.

You are 3 months in - bear in mind that this is him at his best.

Said much better & more succinctly than my post!
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