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bathsh3ba · 13/08/2021 15:44

I'm sure I'm going to get a bunch of 'LTB' responses to this but I'm not going to do that just yet so would really appreciate some suggestions of the best way to reply.

Known this guy about 3 months. For context, we are both long-time divorced and haven't dated since our divorces. We were both cheated on. We are both very cautious and he is exceptionally so and very indecisive (this comes out in other parts of his life as well).

During these 3 months we've effectively been dating but we haven't really put a label on it. With the exception of the periods I'm about to describe, we message several times a day, see each other once or twice a week. He is lovely in the vast majority of ways and I have fallen for him. He has always been extremely respectful apart from see below.

The big problem is that his response to any perceived conflict or any difficult feelings is not just to go into his man cave but to disappear. Basically, he blocks me for a few days. Then he comes back and apologises - but obviously it has its effect on me. It happened twice earlier in the year before we actually met (so before the 3 month clock started), then once three weeks ago, and then again just now, but this time is a little different.

When he came back 3 weeks ago he was clearly still very anxious. He said he wasn't ready for a relationship but he wanted to be friends. He also told me I 'should date other people'. I didn't want to lose him so I agreed but we quickly slipped back into effectively dating, so we had a conversation and agreed we 'wouldn't call it dating but we were obviously more than friends'.

Things were going well, we were getting closer, then he clearly got anxious again and started backing off saying he felt pressured (but didn't block me). So in what I can only describe as a fit of pique, I re-registered on the dating site, thinking 'well, he told me to date....'.

About ten minutes later, I get a text saying he has seen me on there and wishes me luck and immediately I'm blocked.

However, this time he didn't block me on Messenger so I got hold of him on there and asked what on earth was going on. It turned out that he thought that after our conversation about being more than friends we would be exclusive. He had suspended his profile but got an email to say I had logged on, so logged on and saw me and he now feels I was deceitful and unfaithful and he doesn't know if he can trust me.

That was Monday. Since then, I remain blocked on everything except Messenger but he is talking to me sporadically on there. He says he is sorry he has made such a fuss but it's a big deal to him and he doesn't know what he wants to do. Most recently, I just asked if he was okay and he replied that he thought he was and asked if I was.

Do I tell him the truth, that I'm not okay? Do I issue some kind of ultimatum? Or do I just give him time?

I'm not going to block him because I don't block people unless they're harassing me repeatedly. And I'm not going to ignore him because I'm not rude.

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HalzTangz · 13/08/2021 19:31

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

I'm not going to block him because I don't block people unless they're harassing me repeatedly. And I'm not going to ignore him because I'm not rude.

Well then, more fool you.

It's been 3 moths and you're putting up with this shit. Fuck that!

Why would he be notified that you had logged on to a dating website?

I think the OP should ask him, oh, how come I didn't get an email to say you'd logged on when responding to the email you claim said I logged on.
Crimeismymiddlename · 13/08/2021 19:41

Oh my god. This whole thing is too much hard work. This is him on this best behaviour, why are you putting up with this actual nonsense. He is lying to you about an ‘email’ he saw you because he will trying to cheat on you, that or his behaviour has taught him that he gets binned off quick and needs to line up a new victims toor sweet.

miltonj · 13/08/2021 19:42

Doesn't sound like much of a man to me.

LaundryForever · 13/08/2021 19:43

Block him on messenger and you can guarantee when he comes out of his mood he will be trying to be back in contact. I wouldn't be able to tolerate his behaviour but it depends how you feel about him and what you think will happen in the future?

Grazyna80 · 13/08/2021 19:44

Please let him go. Sounds a lot like my horrible narcissistic ex . I wish someone told me to run then.

billy1966 · 13/08/2021 19:47

@Sparklfairy

He had suspended his profile but got an email to say I had logged on, so logged on and saw me and he now feels I was deceitful and unfaithful and he doesn't know if he can trust me.

You know this is a lie right? He categorically did not get an email saying you had logged on.

He was on there and wants the freedom to date other people, but doesn't like you doing the same. Get rid of him.

This.

You are being very very silly to be engaging in such utterly batshit behaviour.

You need to take a good hard look at yourself because if you are really prepared to put yp with this ridiculous behaviour, you are a woman with a target on her forhead.
Flowers

SarahBellam · 13/08/2021 19:58

He must think you’re thick and desperate. He’s literally training you to accept his bad behaviour by punishing you when you do or say something he doesn’t like, to walk on eggshells, to not rock the boat. At three months you should be delirious with joy and lust, not second guessing yourself because he supposedly got a notification you were back on the dating site WHICH you were perfectly entitled to do. I went out with someone like this for 2 years. They need a relationship of highs and lows, they need fights and reconciliations, they need to keep you on an uneven keel for the sake of trying to keep ‘the upper hand’, to stay in control. If you do choose to continue seeing him block him back on everything the next time and commit to 2 weeks of no contact. Delete his number, name, etc. See if he still wants you.

RantyAunty · 13/08/2021 20:02

Notice nobody has told you to stay with this arse.
There's no happy ending with him.

Dontwatchfootball · 13/08/2021 20:06

Two options - either he is a really abusive manipulative jerk who is trying to control the relationship by sulking (a well known technique in abusive relationships).
Or - and I think this may be more likely - he is somewhat damaged by his relationship and gets overwhelmed by conflict. But this does not bode well for any relationship you may have with him - being able to navigate disagreements is a basic requirement of relationships. I dont think an ultimatum is a good idea but I do think it is a good idea to let him know how his behaviour is upsetting and confusing you. If he is willing to work on this together you stand a chance - if he is going to repeat this behaviour it is not going to be workable.

Purplealienpuke · 13/08/2021 20:41

Wow, total fuckwittery after 3 months 😳
What will he need to do for you to open your eyes?
Did you receive an email whenever HE was online? Or anyone else you may have been chatting to before he hooked you?
He is 100% telling lies.
What is the attraction? All this emotional anxiety must be very draining. Unless you're enjoying it too? He clearly enjoys having needy women hanging off his every word.
Please raise your bar unless you want this to be your life for the foreseeable.

HestersSamplerofCarrots · 13/08/2021 20:42

Just reply and say that you have considered his behaviour and have come to the conclusion you are not compatible, want different things, and have no further need to discuss things any more.

Then don’t reply any more.

He’s absolutely yanking your chain.

Cherryana · 13/08/2021 23:14

Just to add my eleven year old son deals with conflict like this with his friends. Block/unblock, block/unblock.......

StCharlotte · 13/08/2021 23:19

Dear God.

I'm sure I'm going to get a bunch of 'LTB' responses to this but I'm not going to do that just yet

Why on earth not??

Percypigg · 13/08/2021 23:30

He sounds incredibly manipulative and not an especially good man. Walk away. Life is too short.

Re Dating sites, some do (or certainly did) let you know when your 'favourites' were online. So if he had saved the OP profile as a favourite, he could elect to receive notifications confirming when she was online.

That aside, I wouldn't want to be with someone who didn't value me/our friendship /relationship. Surely you can't see a future with this man?

frozendaisy · 14/08/2021 00:24

This is too hard surely.

Carry on online dating, tell him straight, you block me you unblock me, it all seems on his terms.

Tell him if/when he's ready to perhaps try an adult relationship without the teenage blocking you might think about it until then if he can't keep up then good luck to you but I'm going this way.

Capricornandproud · 14/08/2021 00:35

This much game playing and fuckwittery at THREE months of not-really-dating? Are you insane? Fuck that for a game of soldiers; him and his trigger finger for blocking me would be down the road if it were me…

Rainbowqueeen · 14/08/2021 01:06

Op if you continue this guy will mess with your head so much that you will struggle to have a successful relationship with someone decent.

For your own sake please end it. The text from @HestersSamplerofCarrots is perfect. Add that you will him well if you like.
If you want to preserve your own mental health and well being you need to remove him from your life in every way. He is not a good bet as either a romantic partner or a friend

Dancingonmoonlight · 14/08/2021 01:21

He was on the dating site himself, that is how he saw you were logged on. Please don't let this man gaslight you. Block him on everything and move on.

MeadowBrown · 14/08/2021 01:28

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

I'm not going to block him because I don't block people unless they're harassing me repeatedly. And I'm not going to ignore him because I'm not rude.

Well then, more fool you.

It's been 3 moths and you're putting up with this shit. Fuck that!

Why would he be notified that you had logged on to a dating website?

I don't t think you are a fool at all for doing this op. You carry on behaving the way that you feel is right for you but drop the bloke in the process. Tell him you want an honest decent relationship with open communicaction and you can't be bothered with people who don't know their own mind Flowers You deserve far better btw!
MrsTerryPratchett · 14/08/2021 01:33

He wants you to be exclusive, but not him.

But I mean who wouldn't?

fuzzymoomin · 14/08/2021 01:43

He is childish, manipulative, controlling, emotionally abusive. He wants to date you, but not call it dating. He told you to date other people then threw his toys out of the pram when you went on a dating site. Like hell did he get an email to say you had logged in, seriously, no websites do that. He needs to learn how to deal with conflict in a relationship without blocking and disappearing. You need to raise your bar!

NannyOggsward · 14/08/2021 01:47

It’s been 3 months you really really don’t need this level of drama.

But you said you won’t LTB so good luck on your future nightmare relationship.

Harsh but true.

PurpleSapphire · 14/08/2021 01:48

Sounds like he's keeping you as a spare while he has his fun. My ex used to "sulk" for a few days and block me, leaving me upset, wondering what i'd done so wrong etc. He was actually with other women for those few days (his ex at first until she realised what he was doing, others later on). I was blocked because he didn't want them knowing he had a partner obviously. I didn't know at the time, thought he was scared as he'd been cheated on before. All complete bull. He turned out to be a controlling selfish arsehole and every single time he used the fact he'd been cheated on to justify it. He'll be telling you his exes were all psychos next if he hasn't already. At best he's flaky and there's still no excuse for blocking you for days on end, that should show you how selfish he is. Sorry, I know it isn't what you want to hear.

VenusTiger · 14/08/2021 02:49

He's set you up - telling you to date and then hanging around online to see if you do - he doesn't trust you does he?

I thought 'LTB' when I got to very cautious and he is exceptionally so and very indecisive

He's cautious and indecisive because he thinks you're going to cheat - he doesn't want to 'let go' with you because he doesn't trust himself.

He either needs more time to come to terms with his past experiences, or he needs counselling.

Don't waste time hanging around OP.