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bathsh3ba · 13/08/2021 15:44

I'm sure I'm going to get a bunch of 'LTB' responses to this but I'm not going to do that just yet so would really appreciate some suggestions of the best way to reply.

Known this guy about 3 months. For context, we are both long-time divorced and haven't dated since our divorces. We were both cheated on. We are both very cautious and he is exceptionally so and very indecisive (this comes out in other parts of his life as well).

During these 3 months we've effectively been dating but we haven't really put a label on it. With the exception of the periods I'm about to describe, we message several times a day, see each other once or twice a week. He is lovely in the vast majority of ways and I have fallen for him. He has always been extremely respectful apart from see below.

The big problem is that his response to any perceived conflict or any difficult feelings is not just to go into his man cave but to disappear. Basically, he blocks me for a few days. Then he comes back and apologises - but obviously it has its effect on me. It happened twice earlier in the year before we actually met (so before the 3 month clock started), then once three weeks ago, and then again just now, but this time is a little different.

When he came back 3 weeks ago he was clearly still very anxious. He said he wasn't ready for a relationship but he wanted to be friends. He also told me I 'should date other people'. I didn't want to lose him so I agreed but we quickly slipped back into effectively dating, so we had a conversation and agreed we 'wouldn't call it dating but we were obviously more than friends'.

Things were going well, we were getting closer, then he clearly got anxious again and started backing off saying he felt pressured (but didn't block me). So in what I can only describe as a fit of pique, I re-registered on the dating site, thinking 'well, he told me to date....'.

About ten minutes later, I get a text saying he has seen me on there and wishes me luck and immediately I'm blocked.

However, this time he didn't block me on Messenger so I got hold of him on there and asked what on earth was going on. It turned out that he thought that after our conversation about being more than friends we would be exclusive. He had suspended his profile but got an email to say I had logged on, so logged on and saw me and he now feels I was deceitful and unfaithful and he doesn't know if he can trust me.

That was Monday. Since then, I remain blocked on everything except Messenger but he is talking to me sporadically on there. He says he is sorry he has made such a fuss but it's a big deal to him and he doesn't know what he wants to do. Most recently, I just asked if he was okay and he replied that he thought he was and asked if I was.

Do I tell him the truth, that I'm not okay? Do I issue some kind of ultimatum? Or do I just give him time?

I'm not going to block him because I don't block people unless they're harassing me repeatedly. And I'm not going to ignore him because I'm not rude.

OP posts:
Dancingonmoonlight · 14/08/2021 11:35

Stop feeling sorry for yourself and get rid of this total waste of space. Move on and expect more from men the fact that you have even been entertaining this behaviour for 3 months says you have low self worth. Forget about dating and work on your own self worth and self esteem becAuse losers spot it a mile off. Value yourself more and do not put up with this shit from the very first sign of it just get rid

This is it in a nutshell. I wanted to type this but was afraid to. If you don't believe you are worth more yourself and you are willing to put up with this crap, other humans do the same. Fake it until you make it. Speak to yourself as if you were speaking to your own daughter. Would you tell her to put up with this shit because nobody better will come along or being with this idiot is better than being by herself? Like hell you would.

bathsh3ba · 14/08/2021 11:38

Well, I was feeling better about myself for at least partly standing up to him until the latest bunch of replies. Think I'll leave this thread now.

OP posts:
BadMotherLover · 14/08/2021 11:41

OP had specifically asked for responses other than LTB. It is disappointing that so many replies ( for whatever reason) include the advice to LTB.
How did you think you were helping?

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Dancingonmoonlight · 14/08/2021 11:49

How did you think you were helping?

From somebody who has been in a similar position ie fighting for man who in hindsight had little interest from the start, trust me I'm trying to help the OP.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 14/08/2021 11:50

This relationship is self harm. Just get off the merry go round.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 14/08/2021 11:51

@BadMotherLover

OP had specifically asked for responses other than LTB. It is disappointing that so many replies ( for whatever reason) include the advice to LTB. How did you think you were helping?
What OTHER responses could there be?
layladomino · 14/08/2021 11:57

I don't understand your comment about no man having ever fought for you. Do you mean you've never felt you were important to the man you were with? If that's the case, that doesn't make you somehow at fault, it just means you've been unfortunate with the men you've ended up with - they weren't capable or willing to be equal partners in a loving and supportive relationship. You deserve that as much as anyone does.

But surely you can see that staying with this man - who has already proved he won't 'fight', he isn't committed, he will mess you around - you are just staying with someone who you know can't give you what you want.

By leaving the r'ship, you show him you know you self-worth, that you deserve better than him, and hopefully you will regain a bit of your confidence. You can then be happily single or at least you're available for a healthy relationship, with someone who loves you and wants to be with you, and doesn't mess you around.

BadMotherLover · 14/08/2021 12:05

She asked for responses other than LTB.
And then explosion of posts with LTB.
So OP leaves.
And then there's a pile on, because she really should listen and LTB.
It is really toxic behaviour from those of you who ignored OPs request and insisted she LTB.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 14/08/2021 12:08

@BadMotherLover

She asked for responses other than LTB. And then explosion of posts with LTB. So OP leaves. And then there's a pile on, because she really should listen and LTB. It is really toxic behaviour from those of you who ignored OPs request and insisted she LTB.
There is no other rational advice to give. Also, people don't get to determine which responses they will get. Pandering to a woman who is sleep walking into an abusive relationship doesn't help her. Even if she leaves this thread she's heard the responses and they may sink in on some level. Hearing 'oh just stick with him he's hurt and scared and will probably change' would NOT be kind or helpful.
Pantsomime · 14/08/2021 12:14

OP you are deliberately playing victim. He wants you to play rescue and fix me I’ve been hurt so badly I’ll be lovely then treat you like shit. You need to examine why you know what he’s doing and fell drawn to the drama and self sacrifice this behaviour needs from you. Help yourself not him- treat yourself well and you will find someone worthy of your time, effort and love - bin him off

EarringsandLipstick · 14/08/2021 12:25

What OTHER responses could there be?

Exactly.

It's not about piling on the OP. I feel sorry for her situation & that her first foray into dating has led her to this creature.

It's not honest to say 'oh yes, this is standing up to him & will bring you happiness'. It won't.

EarringsandLipstick · 14/08/2021 12:28

@BadMotherLover

She asked for responses other than LTB. And then explosion of posts with LTB. So OP leaves. And then there's a pile on, because she really should listen and LTB. It is really toxic behaviour from those of you who ignored OPs request and insisted she LTB.
But she didn't get LTB.

That, on its own, would be unfair to OP.

She got reasoned replies saying that she isn't going to find happiness with him, and she's enabling his shameful behaviour.

Endorsing her clearly poor choices won't help her.

Surely that's why people come & post on MN? They get advice outside their own circle, they'll get a variety of opinions, and then they can take something from it or not, or leave the thread if it's not helpful.

SeeYouInFive · 14/08/2021 12:31

@BadMotherLover

She asked for responses other than LTB. And then explosion of posts with LTB. So OP leaves. And then there's a pile on, because she really should listen and LTB. It is really toxic behaviour from those of you who ignored OPs request and insisted she LTB.
No one in good conscience could recommend OP stay in this relationship.

This man is abusing her.

Mantlemoose · 14/08/2021 12:34

I'm sure I'm going to get a bunch of 'LTB' responses to this but I'm not going to do that just yet so would really appreciate some suggestions of the best way to reply.
LTB - although you can't as he's blocked you.............seriously, set your bar higher - he's treating you like a piece of shit and you are letting him do it!

Maze76 · 14/08/2021 12:35

I know you have left the thread OP, but I couldn’t read and run. Your friend is damaged. I understand how hard it is to walk away when you have developed feelings or see potential in someone. But if his behaviour has a negative affect on your self esteem than is it worth pursuing? You have been single for seven years, why settle for less than you are worth now? Good luck

Mantlemoose · 14/08/2021 12:36

@BadMotherLover

She asked for responses other than LTB. And then explosion of posts with LTB. So OP leaves. And then there's a pile on, because she really should listen and LTB. It is really toxic behaviour from those of you who ignored OPs request and insisted she LTB.
There is no other option There is no other option It's called sticking your head in the sand There is no other option There is no other option
BringOnTheOtherWorlders · 14/08/2021 14:42

Since you have a teeny-tiny pool of men to date (particular religion, no sex before marriage) you probably think you have to tolerate a bit more bad behavior out of lack of choices. This almost makes this a situationship and not a relationship.

There is nothing wrong with lifetime singlehood. There is so much need in the world to help people. There is so much joy to be had as a single person.

NotaCoolMum · 14/08/2021 19:30

@BadMotherLover

She asked for responses other than LTB. And then explosion of posts with LTB. So OP leaves. And then there's a pile on, because she really should listen and LTB. It is really toxic behaviour from those of you who ignored OPs request and insisted she LTB.
Ok what is your advice to op then?
MrsTerryPratchett · 14/08/2021 19:35

In addition, I will only date within my religion and I'm committed to celibacy outside of marriage. So realistically, my options are very limited.

There are dating and match-making services (not sites) for most religions.

LadyLolaRuben · 14/08/2021 19:54

He's training you (by blocking you) each time he's unhappy. But leaving Messenger open so you come back having learned your lesson. This is the thin end of the wedge. Been there and bought the t-shirt myself. After 12 weeks you owe him nothing. Chose YOU. This man will not give you what you're looking for. He's a head worker

bathsh3ba · 14/08/2021 20:00

A quick update as to his response, in case anyone is interested.

He has replied saying he understands, he's sorry he isn't ready, he hopes I may still be single when he is but he doesn't expect me to wait.

And I've ignored it.

OP posts:
Newhorizon21 · 14/08/2021 20:10

@bathsh3ba Flowers

billy1966 · 14/08/2021 20:54

You can do better.

Well done.Flowers

alexa677 · 14/08/2021 21:19

@Sparklfairy

He had suspended his profile but got an email to say I had logged on, so logged on and saw me and he now feels I was deceitful and unfaithful and he doesn't know if he can trust me.

You know this is a lie right? He categorically did not get an email saying you had logged on.

He was on there and wants the freedom to date other people, but doesn't like you doing the same. Get rid of him.

100% this.

He's clearly still on himself which would also explain what he's up to during the periods where he's supposedly retreated to his man cave!

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