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Husband’s studies are destroying our marriage

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Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 12:21

DH and I have been together for almost 10 years, married for 6 and have 2 DC aged almost 3 and 12 months. We met at uni so both have degrees and have subsequently had decent, fairly well paid careers ever since.

Over the years DH has had numerous harebrained ideas such as going back to uni to study politics and become an MP, he got as far as applying through clearing but then backed out when he was accepted. He has also paid for random courses on groupon which he’s never completed and often speaks about business ventures he’d like to undertake. None ever materialise so I think I can be forgiven for rolling my eyes and not always taking him seriously.

In 2019 he decided he wanted to return to uni to get a second degree relevant to his career. It wasn’t necessary at all, it won’t further his career prospects within the company as far as I can see. It was more him wanting to further his knowledge within the field. He decided this in July 2019, his boss amazingly agreed and by August 2019 he had been accepted. When he mentioned it to me I honestly just thought he’d back out of it like he did with everything else but to my surprise, he didn’t.

Ever since it began our marriage has taken a major tumble. When he first started we only had one baby and I’d just returned to work but fell pregnant unexpectedly about 2 months after he started uni. As the Christmas period approached that year he had exams and he was so stressed out, he stayed up all night for a week revising and survived on energy drinks. It really wasn’t a healthy way to live, not even as a young student but he was now obviously late 20s with a young child and a job to go to the next day. We were already struggling at this point but obviously lockdown happened and the rest of the academic year was cancelled.

I’d say the lockdown period last year is the last time we actually got on. We had DC2 July 2020 and we really got on fantastically well until he returned to uni in September. Once he returned and had assignments and exams, it basically all went to shit. Once again he was a frazzled mess, pulling all nighters, constantly stressed out and worrying, spending entire weekends locked away in his study, barely spending time with us. He has no work/life balance at all, if he isn’t at work he seems to be studying at home.

The past 3/4 months have been worse than ever because he’s had numerous exams and assignments due in at a similar time so he’s been pretty much unbearable. He’s used all of his annual leave on study days, we went away for a long weekend to the coast last week and I had to take DC out alone because he stayed behind to study. He rarely helps out with DC anymore, I bath and put both to bed while he sits studying. He had yesterday off work to study so literally sat from the minute he got up to the minute we went to bed on his laptop. I can barely get a word in edgeways because he’s constantly discussing uni. It isn’t my field and not something I have much interest in so I usually have no idea what he’s talking about. I think it’s made worse by the fact he doesn’t only want a second degree but wants to graduate with a first again so he’s adamant he has to do his absolute best on every assignment/exam.

I have PND which is only amplifying my resentment towards him. I’m having weekly counselling sessions and the counsellor has said I need more support from him with DC, a GP told me this too. We moved away from my family before DC1 was born so I rarely see them and I don’t have any friends here either, I’m quite isolated atm but return to work PT in September so hoping that will help. I can’t pin the PND solely on him but have been told women who are both isolated from family/friends and who don’t receive any support with their children are more at risk. I didn’t have PND after DC1 so I’m thinking it’s because he isn’t very supportive.

The absolute worst thing is when people make out he’s some kind of messiah because he manages to work, study and has two small children. FIL is forever saying how proud he is and asking him not to ‘burn himself out’ Hmm. He’s chosen to study, it really isn’t necessary at all and nobody has forced him to do this. He also doesn’t do very much with DC or housework so he spends the vast majority of his time studying, none of this would be possible without me constantly picking up the slack.

I’m honestly just fed up and I have told him I don’t see our marriage lasting over the next year. I can’t imagine how he’s going to be with his dissertation, I don’t think I’ll be able to cope. I’m on the verge of ending our marriage right now because I’m struggling to see past this. I know he only has a year left and if I’ve survived the past 2, I should be able to push myself through the next one but I honestly can’t see a way through right now.

Just seeking some general advice, is divorce the only option? I still love him dearly but I really can’t cope with this. I know a lot of women deal with their OH’s working away for months at a time but I wouldn’t be able to, it isn’t what I signed up for really. He could have done this degree when the DC were older and at school, I honestly have no idea why he chose to do it right now when they’re so small and need help with everything. I’m going to spend some time at my Mum’s next week to get a break away from him and clear my head a bit.

OP posts:
frazzledasarock · 29/07/2021 15:58

Company not colony

Theredjellybean · 29/07/2021 15:59

I think you need to be specific about what you need him to do.
You said earlier he asked what he could do to help and you said you said you didn't know.
I'd be incredibly frustrated by someone telling me I needed to give up study time to help them but they then couldn't say what they needed help with.
I think you need to accept that for the next year he will be focusing on his degree. Accept it and make a clear plan.. That could be. He takes a certain time off each sat and Sunday and does an activity with the children. Say am hr at the park.. And you get that time for you.
You either give him specific tasks and a timetable for the week... So he has to clean the bathroom, and it has to be on Wednesday say
Or he agrees to getting a cleaner.
And buy more child care so you get a break.
Your dc are little they will not remember this time, they will not be irrevocably damaged by this.
I know it is selfish of him but he is doing this whether you like it or not so time to be less emotional and more direct and cold about it.
I'd get a workable arrangement in place now, which gives you time to yourself too, and shelf ideas of happy family time and outings etc etc... Head down get through the year.
Then when his degree is done re assess

Demilunary · 29/07/2021 15:59

@Annasgirl

Hi OP, clearly sine people on here cannot read. Your DH is selfish abs horrible and you are right to be angry. Women with PND are overwhelmingly more likely to be with partners who do not help out with the DC. And you have told him, your counsellor and GP agree, and still he ignores you.

I have completed many degrees. One Masters while I was head of department in a multinational: one new undergrad and masters while working PT with 3 DC and a husband who was never here ( I managed all study while DC were in bed, still cooked, cleaned and worked.). Honestly, if you are someone who cannot multitask, then you cannot undertake a degree while working full time with young DC.

From all you have written, things will not get better . You would be better off to make a plan four YOUR life while you are at your mums.

I agree. And I think some posters are falling into the trap of ‘Oh, a degree is always a good thing’, ‘It’s not as if he’s playing Call of Duty’, ‘He’s bettering himself’, ‘He’s doing five years in three’ etc.

It’s largely irrelevant from the OP’s POV whether he’s having the time of his life or working hard, other than he gets to look virtuous and hardworking in other people’s eyes if it’s the latter. He has chosen to absent himself from family life for a non-essential reason, and to dump an extra load on his wife.

RedMarauder · 29/07/2021 16:00

@SarahMused not necessarily.

I know people who have 2 undergraduate degrees or 2 masters degrees with the second degree paid for by their employer. In all cases they are in STEM areas.

I asked a few of them why they are doing a second degree at the same level. Their employer was using it as a way to ensure they have staff members trained in a niche area with a qualification that is recognised worldwide and can't be disputed.

It initially looks like a waste of time but it has enabled the people who have done it to move work areas, get promoted and/or work for well-regarded companies/organisations in their industry area.

BillMasen · 29/07/2021 16:01

OP you’re not sounding very nice in that last post. He’s passionate about his work and “inflicts” that on you. He’s sharing his day, talking to you and you couldn’t care less, you feign interest, clearly wishing he’d just shut up

You are really dismissive of his career, his passion and interest in it.

TheSilveryPussycat · 29/07/2021 16:02

I thought it was odd he wanted to do politics and "become an MP." Was he politically active and wanted to take it further? Or did he think that all you need to become an MP is to get a First in politics?

boogiewithasuitcase · 29/07/2021 16:02

He’s obsessed with the notion of earning a six figure salary like FIL which he won’t earn through this company unless he makes it right to the top

Sounds like he might be doing all this to gain approval from his FIL. Not fair on you either way.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2021 16:02

You said you’d be devastated if he left so it seems you still love him.

Could you buy any extra help for the year?

Could you sit him down and demand he fills in a calendar with specific hours and days when he will be with you and the dcs?

Then try to get through the year plus a bit more tome before deciding whether he really wanted the degree - or if he just wanted to check out and would be looking for yet more ways to evade life even after the degree is done.

Is he trying to please his dad endlessly?

This must be so difficult.💐

RedMarauder · 29/07/2021 16:04

I should add the OP husband has a time management issue which his shown by the fact he procrastinates when requested to do tasks.

I know other parents who have done degrees while working. (I actually know one doing one now.) Most of them have done it when their children were young as they could wait until they went to bed to study.

In addition no-one who studies spends 100% of their time staring at their laptop for hours as it isn't an efficient way of studying regardless of the subject.

Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 16:04

@BillMasen

OP you’re not sounding very nice in that last post. He’s passionate about his work and “inflicts” that on you. He’s sharing his day, talking to you and you couldn’t care less, you feign interest, clearly wishing he’d just shut up

You are really dismissive of his career, his passion and interest in it.

It’s difficult to be interested in it because it’s quite a niche subject. Sometimes having self awareness means we need to accept certain things we’re hugely passionate about just aren’t interesting to other people. As I say, I wouldn’t inflict endless conversations about authors I love on him because he doesn’t read much literature and wouldn’t have a clue what I was talking about. We have shared interests we do discuss together or we will discuss current affairs for example. I reserve chats about authors or students even for my colleagues. I don’t think this makes me a shitty person, just an honest one. He can honestly talk for hours about his job, he loves it that much. It’s great but does get a little wearing after a decade.
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HermioneKipper · 29/07/2021 16:06

This is all very unfair on you OP. I would be very unhappy in this situation too. It’s totally unfair that you’re responsible for doing all the parenting and he gets to opt out. I’m sorry to say I’d leave my husband if he did this.

Does he fully understand the implications? Is he not upset about missing all this time with his small children? If not, he sounds like he’s already checked out ☹️

dottiedodah · 29/07/2021 16:08

I would most certainly not let him go anywhere near a Masters! Honestly the level of work is completely off the scale! My DS is very bright and had no other responsibilities at all ,and was stretched to the absolute limit!

Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 16:09

I should add the OP husband has a time management issue which his shown by the fact he procrastinates when requested to do tasks.

Agree with this, he has never had particularly good time management skills.

I do need to outline what I need from him, my counsellor has also told me this. I do ask him quite assertively for help with certain things but as I said before, he procrastinates lots and takes forever to actually do the job in hand so I either end up nagging which I hate or I just do it.

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sloutside · 29/07/2021 16:09

It may make me a martyr but I just think my Mum has had her time as a Mother and I want her to enjoy being a Grandma on her own terms, I don’t want to force my DC on her!
I understand this but if she might want to help you out more given the current circumstances, to help you get through this year. It wouldn't be forever.

I’d honestly rather my DH just step up and help out more really. I can pay for a cleaner and possibly an au pair if necessary but I have a husband, I’m not a single Mum so I’d rather he just helped me out more
So pay for a cleaner and/or an aupair for the next year. I don't get this - here is a solution which could help you get through until your husband finishes his degree. Yes, he could and should step up but he isn't for whatever reason so why make life impossible for yourself.
You sound very resentful of him and this degree and the entire situation.
What do you want to happen because you don't seem interested in a solution which could make your life better?

Dontwatchfootball · 29/07/2021 16:09

@Ozanj

It will take me 9 years to finish my degree because I couldn’t check out of life. I was working 50-60 hr weeks for most of it, went through ivf, had a baby, moved house, and it has taught me so much about time management in addition to the book knowledge. Looks like your DH hasn’t learned anything like that.
Absolutely this! Had to do a post grad qualification when I moved back to the Uk to care for my elderly parents. Managed to do all of those things without being a wanker. Could I have got higher marks? yes. Was it more important to balance the other calls on my time. Yes. He is being totally selfish.
SixesAndEights · 29/07/2021 16:09

I can pay for a cleaner and possibly an au pair if necessary

Why not do that then? Surely it would take so much pressure off both of you.

You say you don't believe family should help so won't ask them.You could employ a cleaner and au pair but you won't.

What you do want is for your husband to participate more but he can't because of his work and studying.

You seem to have fixed views on what should be happening and I feel that's to your detriment.

Your husband is doing his degree, yet you believe so much he shouldn't be doing it you'd rather not have any other help whatsoever. That's madness since you're ill with pnd and struggling so much!

And yes, you are martyring yourself over your deeply held opinion that no one but your husband should be helping with childcare and household tasks. You're making life harder for yourself when you needn't be.

Apeirogon · 29/07/2021 16:11

This kind of thing makes me so mad. There is just no way a woman with very young DC would be able to do this if she wanted to. So how is it possibly OK for a man? It's unbelievably selfish of your DH to do it right at the time when you/they need him so much.

It's hard to find a good solution, but I hope that he at least acknowledges in your conversation tonight how much you are struggling, and tries to think of things to make it easier for you.

Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 16:11

Does he fully understand the implications? Is he not upset about missing all this time with his small children? If not, he sounds like he’s already checked out ☹️

Honestly not sure. He’s told me a few times that he loved the lockdown last year because he got to spend so much time with us. He does seem to love spending time with us all when he’s actually present. If he has an assignment due in or exam impending then forget it though, he just seems stressed and like he’d rather be anywhere else.

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Dogvmarmot · 29/07/2021 16:12

@Yelpforhelpp

I am quite bitter and resentful, I do appreciate this but I also think this is understandable because he’s taken advantage of me for so long. If I were more assertive perhaps I wouldn’t have allowed him to lock himself away for hours ignoring his responsibilities but it’s easier for me to just crack on with it so I’ve let him do this. If he were a single parent he simply wouldn’t be able to ignore his children for hours while he studied, he’s only able to do this because I’m in the background picking up the slack and it isn’t really fair Sad.

Yes his employer is funding it which is partially why I don’t think deferral will be an option.

When I return to work I strongly suspect everything will remain the same except I’ll also have the pressure of my job on top of everything else. DC are with a CM who fits around my work hours so I’ll most likely collect them and DH’s life won’t change very much…

Separating for his final year may be the only option, I’m just not sure how I’ll cope with him during his final year. You’re right about how much work he has to put in to achieve a first as well. It wasn’t an issue a decade ago when neither of us had the responsibility of children but he’s now trying to do this as a father of two toddlers.

i would not end the marriage in the midst of this. Once he has finished then review things. you can always leave him later, but if you do in the middle of a very stressful time you are stuck with the decision. Only 1 year left, then it will be 9 months, 5 months etc. After that he needs to step up unless he suddenly gets amazing job opportunities to pay someone to do his fair share. Are you able to hire some help for you to get rest. yes he is selfish. seems common in men.
whichwayisup · 29/07/2021 16:13

Okay, there is absolutely no way that his prospects/employability/earning capacity won't be improved by a second degree in engineering.

Tbf, when my kids were your kids ages my dh was working longer hours, out of the house from early morning till late at night most days and I was working part time. It was hard work but accepted that during this part of our marriage I had to shoulder the plough at home. A few years later my dh supported me financially and with all the parenting to allow me to leave my career to study full time to embark on a totally new career. For 2 years I was a bit like your dh and my dh just stepped up and took on the extra work. It was hard. For both of us. I am incredibly grateful for everything he did. It's probably the nicest thing anyone has ever done for me.

And it has been worth it. I'm really happy in my new career. I'm earning more and my work life balance is much better. My dh is now working more than ever and luckily I'm able to pick up the slack at home.

Marriage and family life is a balancing act. And when your kids are your kids ages everything is hard hard work. I don't want to minimise how you feel because I do understand it, I really do. I can only have this perspective because I'm a bit further along the road than you.

Instead of fighting each other for scraps you really need to find a way of supporting each other. He needs the support right now but in a few years time you might be expecting it from him.

When you are depressed (again from experience) you can only see all the things that are wrong. You focus on what's wrong and your capacity for self pity is limitless. This skews your vision. You need to focus a bit more on what's right here. There will be so many positive things in your life right now that you could choose to focus on.

A year sounds forever where you are but when you look back it will feel like no time at all.

sloutside · 29/07/2021 16:13

Oh and make it absolutely clear that no masters degree will be happening in the near future. Absolutely not

Put your foot down? Would it be ok for a husband to say that to his wife?

Fucking hell. I said "in the near future" - ie. not right now while the children are so young. And I think yes it would be ok for either a husband or a wife to say that in the current circumstances. The children are too young. The wife (in this case, but it could equally be a husband) is struggling with the situation. He should not embark on a masters' degree immediately after this degree. It's impossible for the OP. The same would apply if it was the wife wishing to do this. He can only embark on a masters' degree if he is able to contribute to caring for his children, running the household etc. Same applies if it was the wife wanting to do a masters.

Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 16:14

And yes, you are martyring yourself over your deeply held opinion that no one but your husband should be helping with childcare and household tasks.

Paid help is different to expecting my family to step in and help. I just ultimately think my DH should be doing more parenting tbh, I don’t think that’s wrong of me. I will ask if we can at least get a cleaner and I’ll discuss having extra CM hours just so I can have a bit of time to myself as someone else mentioned.

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GoldBar · 29/07/2021 16:15

OP, the reason you're cross is because your husband has 'stolen' your leisure time. You're being expected just to suck this up and do all the daily grind with both children 24/7 while he uses both his and your leisure time to achieve his academic goals.

Meanwhile, he gives no thought to your needs...to your need for time to be yourself, not just "Mummy" and the housekeeper.

This might be acceptable if he was doing this for you as a family (for example, he was working extra hours because you needed the money). But he's not...he's doing this for himself at your expense.

I really do think you'd feel less resentful if he wasn't obviously around opting out of family life. Kick him out to his parents and get on with being the happy little family of 3 that he can't be bothered to be a part of. Then he can make a decision as to whether he wants to opt in or out.

SixesAndEights · 29/07/2021 16:16

You said earlier he asked what he could do to help and you said you said you didn't know. I'd be incredibly frustrated by someone telling me I needed to give up study time to help them but they then couldn't say what they needed help with.

The OP says she could employ a cleaner and au pair, but won't, so I can imagine her saying to him that she needs help with cleaning and child care. Her husband then suggests a cleaner and au pair because he has no time due to his studies and work. No, says OP, I want you to do it.

Do you want to punish him for his choices OP, because it sounds like you really resent him not wanting the same things career wise as you do?

FiddlefigOnTheRoof · 29/07/2021 16:17

It’s a hobby.

Dressed up a bit - but a hobby.

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