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Dating Thread 208 - sausage fest summer

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Dancerinthemoonlight · 23/07/2021 11:56

The Rules:

  1. The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating.
  2. Develop a thick skin.
  3. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  4. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  5. Trust your gut instinct.
  6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  7. Know your worth.
  8. If it's not fun, stop.
  9. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread. 11. Treat others as you'd like to be treated 12. Any relationship you have that could get ruined by having a conversation about your feelings, standards and/or expectations wasn't really stable enough to begin with 13. The things you choose to ignore/ tolerate now are the reasons you will break up in the future 14. OLD can get very time consuming. Keep doing other activities you enjoy.

Optional: Please give your irons (potential dates you are talking to) nicknames like Mr Scottish. Initials are allowed (Mr S) when you are an item

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ActonSquirrel · 30/07/2021 22:03

@FireandBrimstone
So just so I don't lose perspective - is it ok or actually very creepy to say to someone so early on "would it piss you off if I constantly want to have sex with you when we meet?

Well he has presented it as a fait accompli really hasn't he. He is expecting it and letting you know in advance. I mean call me old fashioned but he should take you on a date, impress you and try and get you naked at the end if you like him too and both feel that way.

What age is he? Relationship history, apologies if I have missed it.

Isitreallyme177 · 30/07/2021 22:25

@FireandBrimstone "So just so I don't lose perspective - is it ok or actually very creepy to say to someone so early on "would it piss you off if I constantly want to have sex with you when we meet?"

I think if that's the sort of thing you want then fine. For me personally I want a relationship so for me it would put me off. Same goes for sexting before meeting.

Languidleopard · 30/07/2021 22:40

@FireandBrimstone yes, I would find the expectation that I'd be up for sex every time we meet creepy. And presumptious and a bit of a turn off. But then as soon as I feel pressure to perform in a certain way it makes me want to do the opposite Grin

Misty9 · 30/07/2021 22:44

@Naimee87 no change really - it's 1 or 2 messages a day, usually in the evening. If I message during the day he'll generally respond and that's an improvement. But I've been thinking and, it's not about feeling insecure for me, it's about wanting that connection to be sustained between seeing each other, about wanting that support from a partner - especially post divorce relationships which can't involve lots of meet ups necessarily. For example, I have a tricky family dynamic and they're visiting so some comfort via message/phonecall would be important for me in the future in such situations. Mr BE isn't a partner yet and I wouldn't expect such support from a fledgling relationship, but in the longer term I would want it. And if comms aren't matching now then that won't improve :( feeling a bit shit about it all really.

Dirtyduck · 30/07/2021 22:51

A post date debrief from me:
I had lovely drinks and chat with MrMud. He gave me flowers which I've never had on a first date before. I was incredibly attracted to him, chat flowed easily, but I got the impression he wasn't feeling it I said at the end that I'd love to meet again and text the same when I got back, but he's been very non committal in his response. He did give me a hug and a peck on the cheek at the end of the date, but I don't think he fancied me if I'm honest. Ah well, it was a lovely evening all the same!

troobleflooble · 30/07/2021 23:00

Hello again!

Have gotten super busy at work and had a very stressful couple of days, please forgive me for only talking about myself but I need some time to properly read through all the messages I've missed in the interim 😆 Plus I'm on the whisky 😂

Ok so....slight update - I've been really drawing back from dating recently but I got a message from a guy who looked interesting so we arranged a date zero for yesterday. Not ideal timing as I was working a 10hr shift that day and was probably gross and disheveled but he didn't seem to mind 😆

We got on like a house on fire and spent the whole night chatting over cocktails. The waiter had to come back three times because we were so engrossed in talking we forgot to look at the menu speedy waiter 😞 Ended up staying until kicking out time and the conversation flowed really nicely, felt like we'd known each other for ages, similar taste in music, comedy, etc. Lots in common 😊

I like him! I actually do fancy him (for a change!) but I'm not sure if he likes me back? I might be overthinking it, he paid for everything and hugged me at the end, we've loosely arranged to meet up again and stayed in touch since I'm just worried now that he doesn't like me! 😩 It's so rare for me to like someone I go on a date with it would be just my luck lol

Languidleopard · 30/07/2021 23:01

[quote HairyArsedMan]**@LanguidLeopard* and @BellaDiMama I'd much prefer to be benched, painful as it can be to endure, than get involved with someone as a placeholder relationship when I happen to be all in with the feels. So I don't know whether I'm that* strong emotionally, it just seems like the lesser of two agonies.

Digressing, I think the placeholder is something that can happen very easily in the dynamics of online dating. I think it's true of most of us that it's rare to find someone you connect with properly and when you do, you can fall over yourself in excitement out of the fear of missing out on them. It quite often happens that they're maybe at a stage of needing some validation of themselves as an attractive person (I cast no apersions on women in particular here, blokes need that too) and they're really happy to receive that attention. So I'd rather let the sands of time and personal growth work on that so they're coming at me from roughly the same place I'm coming from.

I don't even feel that miserable when someone backs off without closing off contact because I see it then as a timing, a 'where they're at right now' thing. It's as much their loss as mine in a way, because they are pulling away from something really genuine. This may sound weird and hippy-ish but I find myself seeing them as a fellow passenger and just wishing the best for them, whatever happens. We may both move forward and reconnect later as minor variations on how we were. Or one or both of us can find the courage to take up a genuine connection with that rare someone else. I think there's the rub, you need the belief that those other rare connections are out there for you and them. When you think of it like that, why wouldn't you wish that for someone if they couldn't find it with you ?[/quote]
@HairyArsedMan your approach is indeed very zen and I respect that. I agree that working on a principle of abundance rather than one of scarcity is healthy and good for the soul.

I also agree with that you say about it being often about where they are personally rather than your own worthiness. Sometimes it just isn't meant to be, and you only punish yourself by take it to heart.

But goodness me, I find it personally very difficult when this happens. Life is short and it's hard to find that mutual connection and attraction.

Bbub · 30/07/2021 23:04

@troobleflooble
Sounds like you had a great time! And I bet he does like you from what he's said!! Have you talked about meeting again?

If not why not suggest it, then you'll be able to gauge his interest from his reaction?

Languidleopard · 30/07/2021 23:13

@troobleflooble sounds like a great first date 😁 Agree with Bbub that he seems to have had a good time too, so is likely to want a second date as much as you do?

Languidleopard · 30/07/2021 23:18

@Dirtyduck🤞the feeling was mutual and he maybe just isn't very demonstrative or needs time to mull things over?

Dirtyduck · 30/07/2021 23:26

[quote Languidleopard]@Dirtyduck🤞the feeling was mutual and he maybe just isn't very demonstrative or needs time to mull things over?[/quote]
I spoke too soon, he just text to say he'd love to meet up again. I have the tendency to overthink sometimes Blush

Languidleopard · 30/07/2021 23:34

@Dirtyduck yay! Grin

FireandBrimstone · 30/07/2021 23:38

@troobleflooble @Dirtyduck oh so good to hear about your lovely dates! Excited for you.

Thank you for ALL the very quick and to the point responses about Mr Libido's dodgy upfrontness. Yep, unanimous creepiness. Hmm: I will reflect on how to handle this over the coming days.

Iamclearlyamug · 31/07/2021 00:08

@Dirtyduck awesome news 😍😍

Shayelle2009 · 31/07/2021 07:42

@WeWantTheFinestWines im exactly like that too. Maybe it’s just the difference between men and women? Not meaning to sound too generalising but when i chat to my guy mates about these things they always say I need to just chill out. Men are like a completely different species to women, with different behaviours!! 🙃

For anyone intetested - I blocked mr trades. Gave til 1720 as that was the whole day as he’d sugggested in the week about going for the drink and I’d not heard a tiny peep all day. It was the final straw for me and decided i don't want anything more to do with him. It’s not like it was a one-off blip in general the communication was awful, not gonna work for me. I actually feel like he was trying to low key wind me up all the time. I feel relieved now and I will never unblock him. I went back on tinder and saw an iron I've always had the absolute hots for, Mr JD, and superliked him 😂😂 i doubt he’ll respond though, I never felt he was that bothered but I would literally meet up and shag him silly 🤣🤣 he’s a work of art!!

Shayelle2009 · 31/07/2021 07:49

@Iamclearlyamug i dont know what happened with mr lorry but I'm sorry for you that it ended. Is there any way you can block him on fb - I think its insulting if he made his choice and ended it but then is creeping around, liking all your stuff. I’d shut that down and if he's made a mistake then he needs to man up and contact you properly. Fucking cheek if you ask me Flowers

Shayelle2009 · 31/07/2021 07:53

@troobleflooble and @Dirtyduck yay for great dates and hopefully great 2nd ones and more 🥳🥳 💘💘

Eesha · 31/07/2021 07:56

@Shayelle2009 I can't believe Mr Trades said all that during the week and then didn't get in touch. What a loser. Well done for blocking him!

Eesha · 31/07/2021 07:57

@Dirtyduck yay, I'm rooting for you!

Shayelle2009 · 31/07/2021 08:05

I know @Eesha!! Irritating the crap out of me with juvenile texting or last minute 3pm requests to drop everything and meet him for a drink (some of us have jobs and are WORKING luv), he was just a complete dickabout, im genuinely happy he’s gone! I didnt even fancy him in all honesty! 😂

ActonSquirrel · 31/07/2021 08:49

I feel as if I need to say something to penpal guy.

He does flirt with me and send me messages to that end and then vanishes. It has now been over a week and I've had a few brief messages all prompted by me. He does do this and he'll crop back up again.

But I feel like saying something. Along the lines of quoting one of his flirty messages

Why do you send me messages like that one day and then utterly blank me the next?

What do you think? It's been long enough he shares all his bloody issues with me it's time he gave something back

BelladiMamma · 31/07/2021 09:08

@ActonSquirrel

I feel as if I need to say something to penpal guy.

He does flirt with me and send me messages to that end and then vanishes. It has now been over a week and I've had a few brief messages all prompted by me. He does do this and he'll crop back up again.

But I feel like saying something. Along the lines of quoting one of his flirty messages

Why do you send me messages like that one day and then utterly blank me the next?

What do you think? It's been long enough he shares all his bloody issues with me it's time he gave something back

Hi 👋🏻 @ActonSquirrel I haven't responded yet because I had 2 virtual relationships with occasional meet ups with guys like this last year during lockdown. And I'm bitter and cycnical about these penpal guys who've always got a reason to be in crisis or not meet up. And by the way it's not always another woman but a lot of the time it is. Found that out the hard way too. It doesn't make your feelings any less real or valid.

Call him or text him if you prefer, but make moves to get closure from this situation. It doesn't really matter in some ways what the whys and wherefores are - but the fact is that you've been left hanging on for a relationship that doesn't exist.

In my experience these were some of the most unhealthy situationships for me to be in. Even worse in some ways than living in a crap relationship because when you're interacting in real life you've got actions by which you can judge people.

When the dust has settled take a bit of time to reflect on what drew you to this person and kept you connected to him. Could be something as simple as lockdown and no other meet opportunities. Could be the memory of what this person was like at their best.

Good luck. Choose your path and look forward to a life without the constant anxiety of his presence / absence. Thanks

Onesmallstep67 · 31/07/2021 09:11

@ActonSquirrel, why don’t you send an open and honest message saying in a light way what you have been sharing here ? Maybe it’s just time to ask him how he sees you and what he wants going forward? I think the easing of most restrictions has got many of us thinking about what we want for ourselves. Being penpals and having a flirty buddy might have taken the edge off some of the constraints of lockdown but you can have a lot more than that now. If Mr Penpal ( sorry don’t know what name you had given him) can’t or doesn’t offer what you are looking for then time to draw a line - or friend zone him - and get back out there.

Misty9 · 31/07/2021 09:31

Morning all. I've just read through mine and Mr Blue Eyes messages... And I've realised that it's all based around sex. I've been projecting a relationship onto something that is essentially just sex. Albeit great sex. I have asked him a few times and he swears it's not just that - but actions speak louder than words. He was more responsive to messages in the early days, before we'd slept together, and he isn't responsive to messages I send about feeling a bit lonely/rubbish etc. So now I need to decide if I'm okay with that, or if I can't handle it. If it's not him it's no one because I'm not going back on the apps...

@ActonSquirrel I would definitely have a conversation/message exchange with Mr penpal and lay it on the line. But don't ask him questions, state how you're feeling and what you need. Then he can respond or not, and you can bring it to a close. After this long that's shitty behaviour on his part though :(

BelladiMamma · 31/07/2021 09:44

@Misty9

Morning all. I've just read through mine and Mr Blue Eyes messages... And I've realised that it's all based around sex. I've been projecting a relationship onto something that is essentially just sex. Albeit great sex. I have asked him a few times and he swears it's not just that - but actions speak louder than words. He was more responsive to messages in the early days, before we'd slept together, and he isn't responsive to messages I send about feeling a bit lonely/rubbish etc. So now I need to decide if I'm okay with that, or if I can't handle it. If it's not him it's no one because I'm not going back on the apps...

@ActonSquirrel I would definitely have a conversation/message exchange with Mr penpal and lay it on the line. But don't ask him questions, state how you're feeling and what you need. Then he can respond or not, and you can bring it to a close. After this long that's shitty behaviour on his part though :(

What sort of things do you feel are missing? Has he let you down when you've asked for specific things? Men seem to need directions a lot of the time. Which of course we all hate giving we'd much rather that we just just clicked and could answer each other's needs a lot of time.

For some people, especially men, sex is such a key part of the relationship that this becomes their focus and everything else is a bit secondary. I have to say I'm definitely going to prioritise sex more going into any relationship.

Not sure that's helpful but wanted to put another perspective out there. Thanks in any case I'm sorry it's not working for you.

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