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Lovely husband versus different life with friend – what to do?

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 13:33

Apologies for the long post, I will try not to dripfeed.

I have a lovely husband, let’s call him Pete. We’ve been together almost a decade. He’s devoted to me, endlessly kind; nothing is too much trouble. A few years ago, we moved to a country where, unfortunately, he can’t get work (I’m OK as I work online). We’re planning to move elsewhere. In the meantime, he does all the shopping and cooking, chops wood for the fire, etc. We get on brilliantly and have none of the irritations I associate even with close friendships. We have the same tastes in music, films etc and often enjoy lovely weekends away doing things together like hiking or cycling. We never get bored with each other’s company.

Pete’s quite a bit younger than me, which hasn’t worried us over the years because as far as we’re concerned, being incredibly compatible is so lucky that it outweighs everything. However, one snag is our difference in life experience. He’s used to renting a place, and I’m not sure he’ll ever be what I’d call a responsible home owner. General maintenance etc doesn’t seem to occur to him, and I don’t want to be a nag, but find the overall neglect depressing when I’m so busy. He covers the basics, but anything else is a bit like pushing water uphill.

None of this might have mattered had it not been for life throwing me a curve ball.

My oldest friend, “John” (we’ve known each other 20-odd years), got divorced a couple of years ago. I helped him through the emotional process. We’ve always been close (despite him living in another country), but I suppose that brought us a bit closer for a while. I never thought much of it when he left his wife, but over the past couple of years we have exchanged friendly (not flirtatious!) messages and sometimes I find myself pining for the kind of life I could have with him. Over the years, we’ve had some great adventures together (when married to other people, so we never acknowledged or acted on the chemistry that was there), we have a good laugh, we understand each other well, and we have the same values. Pete, for example, can’t be bothered with family and I wish he made more effort to know my parents, who won’t be around for much longer; whereas I know John would connect well.

I am approaching retirement age and financial security has become more important to me than it once was. I hate to admit it, but combining forces with someone who has worked as hard as me is also appealing.

This is all churning round and round in my head, and I feel ridiculous. I don’t want to discuss it with anyone IRL, but would appreciate any input here. I hate feeling even a smidgen of disloyalty to Pete, because I adore him. It feels as though my priorities in life might be shifting somewhat, but maybe I’m just doing that “grass greener” thing and should just STFU.

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AmyDudley · 20/07/2021 15:42

Well Pete presumably hasn't changed all that much during your time together. And you were fine with the status quo until you saw a possibility to get together with someone else. If Pete was that much of a dud why didn't you leave him years ago? why did you allow him to feel he was building a life with you, and had a future with you if you were just waiting for something better (in your head) to come along?

If you want to end your marriage, do so. Leave Pete and let him build a life with someone who isn't always going to be eyeing up other options. But try life as a single person, work out what you want from a relationship, maybe you'd be better on your own. Essentially you don't know what life would be like with John day in and day out. Is he even looking for a relationship, he's only recently got divorced, ? Why did John's marriage end ?

I actually think you sound very selfish - but it's your life. Whatever you decide to do, try not to hurt to many people in the process.

Blue4YOU · 20/07/2021 15:49

I hate to just stick my oar in for the sake of it, so usually don’t…
But, I have to ask .. are you writing a novel OP?
I’m asking not to be sarcastic but this seems so unreasonable- he “chops wood”.. versus horny (!) high flyer, except it’s set at almost retirement age…
If you aren’t it has Mills and Boon all over it - man A type A vs man B type B, with literally no feelings involved for our poor damsel

Allgreyeverything · 20/07/2021 15:50

Horny old John Confused oh dear.

Comedycook · 20/07/2021 15:52

After reading the negative points of John...I'd give him a miss...

Regularsizedrudy · 20/07/2021 15:54

“He stuck with her through four pregnancies” Hmm oh well that was good of him wasn’t it

BrozTito · 20/07/2021 15:54

Thats a great name for some beardy real ale

HowManyToes · 20/07/2021 15:54

I realise I sound like a wanker.

You’re not wrong about that 🙄

John's kids (now young adults) really like me. The opportunity to be an almost-mum to them (obviously never coming near taking the place of the original and best!), and potentially heal some of the pain of his split from their mum, might add to the appeal.

What makes you think there’re going to accept you as a second mum? This is just pure fantasy!

No testing the water. No move up. John and I did once joke, in the past, that in an alternative universe we'd be blissfully happily married. So I know the idea is not just in my head.

So he made one joke in the span of a 20 year friendship, has never actually made any sort of move on you and you’re ready to ditch your husband?

Get a grip OP

QuieterMass · 20/07/2021 15:55

Are you sure John doesn't already have a romantic interest in someone else? What prompted him to leave his wife?

PurpleWaterBlue · 20/07/2021 15:55

You are idealising "John" and the life together you imagine happening with him.

Careful, this is how a lot of affairs start.

At least, let Pete go first in order to avoid a shitstorm that could see you winding up in a right mess.

Standrewsschool · 20/07/2021 15:57

Instead of discussing your concerns about Pete on the internet, discuss them with Pete! As others have said, if he is not a diy man, get someone in to do the jobs. Maybe plan the jobs together. My dh will spot things to do in the house, which I’m not even aware of.

Your imagined life with John is a fantasy. Adult kids do not want a step mum. You may get on with him, but there’s nothing to say he hasn’t got annoying habits as well.

Maybe you are romanticising John because you want an escape plan. You see him as a way of leaving Pete.

WeeMadArthur · 20/07/2021 15:57

If you want more financial security you need to live somewhere where your husband can work. It’s really unfair on him to put him in this position. You can’t take advantage of him cooking and cleaning for all this time and then fuck him off for a better option ( that you don’t even know is interested in you).

Eddielzzard · 20/07/2021 15:57

Have you talked to Pete about this at all (your differences in how you see the future and home maintenance, NOT John)?

My feeling when I rented was one of a nomad. It wasn't 'my home'. It was only when I bought my first house that I really cared about it and wanted to keep things well maintained. It might be that Pete would feel this too - a sense of ownership and wanting to care of it?

John doesn't sound a great match to me, just more like the men from your family and so he's familiar. No matter what, your partner will annoy you over something. Imagine what being with John would be like a couple of years down the line: how would your conversations go? What would you be doing together?

By all means, explore your feelings on here, but I would wait a really good long time before doing anything about them.

StarryStarrySocks · 20/07/2021 15:57

I want to know what country this is where there are no work opportunities for a man in early middle age (?) and yet an endless supply of firewood is needed...

Bryonyshcmyony · 20/07/2021 15:57

@BrozTito

Thats a great name for some beardy real ale
🤣🤣
GreenClock · 20/07/2021 15:58

End your marriage (make sure Pete’s settlement is fair) and strike out on your own. If John is interested and single, you’ll soon know about it.

Confusedandshaken · 20/07/2021 16:00

I've got a long-standing good mate who I exchange friendly texts with. That doesn't mean I would leave my husband for him. It's insane to think that being friends for years means he would be a better husband that your current one. It's also supremely arrogant to think that someone you've known for years and never even exchanged a flirty text with might consider taking up with you. It's even more insane to think you would instantly form a happy family unit and start to heal his 4 adult children.

I suggest you get some personal counselling to work out what you actually want in life instead of living in a fantasy land.

whichwayisup · 20/07/2021 16:02

It's very odd that you think John is interested in starting a life with you. And why on earth would John's kids want you to help them over the divorce? So very strange all of this. Poor old wood chopping Pete with his highbrow cultural appreciations. Let's hope he gets himself a good lawyer and makes good on his elderly investment.

AlternativePerspective · 20/07/2021 16:02

I suspect that given the OP said that John is horny she could potentially be back here in a few years complaining that all he ever wants is sex.

NoYOUbekind · 20/07/2021 16:03

If you're not happy with your marriage, change it - in this case, that means moving to a country where you can both work.

If you can't change it, leave it.

But don't leave it 'for' horny John - who is probably on Tinder right now swiping right on women 20 years younger than you...

Ifitquacks · 20/07/2021 16:07

I think you should end it with Pete. Poor bloke doesn’t deserve to be treated like a faithful puppy. Let him find someone who truly appreciates him.
Leave John to sort himself out post divorce.
Be single for a while, instead of plotting to jump from one relationship to another.
By the way, my dad remarried when I was a young adult. She’s nice, I like her, but we don’t have a mother/daughter relationship at all.

Chikapu · 20/07/2021 16:07

John is a golden man? You've built him up in your head to something he could never live up to. Grow up woman.

Bringbackguitarsolos · 20/07/2021 16:11

@Ifitquacks

I think you should end it with Pete. Poor bloke doesn’t deserve to be treated like a faithful puppy. Let him find someone who truly appreciates him. Leave John to sort himself out post divorce. Be single for a while, instead of plotting to jump from one relationship to another. By the way, my dad remarried when I was a young adult. She’s nice, I like her, but we don’t have a mother/daughter relationship at all.
It’s worse than that. Poor Pete is being treated like a pair of old shoes. Dependable but OP seems to have her eye out for a new better pair and then will chuck the old ones out.

Poor Pete, if only he knew he was just a filler until something better came along Sad

badacorn · 20/07/2021 16:13

This sounds a bit like a daydream. You are talking as though this is a consumer choice, not breaking up your marriage for an old friend. I think you should think about what’s realistically going to happen if you try to make this happen. It might all be for the best, or it could be a real regret.

Comedycook · 20/07/2021 16:13

I think some of these comments are really harsh

Allgreyeverything · 20/07/2021 16:15

Freshly divorced Horny John who heroically stuck with his wife though her 4 pregnancies is probably eyeing up hot 35 years old Lauren from accounts