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Lovely husband versus different life with friend – what to do?

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 13:33

Apologies for the long post, I will try not to dripfeed.

I have a lovely husband, let’s call him Pete. We’ve been together almost a decade. He’s devoted to me, endlessly kind; nothing is too much trouble. A few years ago, we moved to a country where, unfortunately, he can’t get work (I’m OK as I work online). We’re planning to move elsewhere. In the meantime, he does all the shopping and cooking, chops wood for the fire, etc. We get on brilliantly and have none of the irritations I associate even with close friendships. We have the same tastes in music, films etc and often enjoy lovely weekends away doing things together like hiking or cycling. We never get bored with each other’s company.

Pete’s quite a bit younger than me, which hasn’t worried us over the years because as far as we’re concerned, being incredibly compatible is so lucky that it outweighs everything. However, one snag is our difference in life experience. He’s used to renting a place, and I’m not sure he’ll ever be what I’d call a responsible home owner. General maintenance etc doesn’t seem to occur to him, and I don’t want to be a nag, but find the overall neglect depressing when I’m so busy. He covers the basics, but anything else is a bit like pushing water uphill.

None of this might have mattered had it not been for life throwing me a curve ball.

My oldest friend, “John” (we’ve known each other 20-odd years), got divorced a couple of years ago. I helped him through the emotional process. We’ve always been close (despite him living in another country), but I suppose that brought us a bit closer for a while. I never thought much of it when he left his wife, but over the past couple of years we have exchanged friendly (not flirtatious!) messages and sometimes I find myself pining for the kind of life I could have with him. Over the years, we’ve had some great adventures together (when married to other people, so we never acknowledged or acted on the chemistry that was there), we have a good laugh, we understand each other well, and we have the same values. Pete, for example, can’t be bothered with family and I wish he made more effort to know my parents, who won’t be around for much longer; whereas I know John would connect well.

I am approaching retirement age and financial security has become more important to me than it once was. I hate to admit it, but combining forces with someone who has worked as hard as me is also appealing.

This is all churning round and round in my head, and I feel ridiculous. I don’t want to discuss it with anyone IRL, but would appreciate any input here. I hate feeling even a smidgen of disloyalty to Pete, because I adore him. It feels as though my priorities in life might be shifting somewhat, but maybe I’m just doing that “grass greener” thing and should just STFU.

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WhiskeyGalore212 · 25/07/2021 14:43

*Has he tactually made any definite overtures (?)

SimonedeBeauvoirscat · 25/07/2021 14:48

erm, RTFT!

IknowThisIsRidiculous · 25/07/2021 14:55

I haven't read the whole (very long) thread so apologies if this has been said: John is only 'John' to you because you're not in a relationship with him and can see all his 'lovely' qualities. If he was your partner he'd be the person who leaves the toilet seat up or doesn't fix the leaky tap quick enough.

If it aint broke don't fix it OP!!

WhiskeyGalore212 · 25/07/2021 15:00

@SimonedeBeauvoirscat

erm, RTFT!
I've read back as far as page 25 to see that op has apparently discounted John as a relationship option, even though its still not clear if he ever really was a relationship option for op.

She's still up shit creek with a man who could take half her money in a divorce if he chooses. He may only be hanging around to get EU naturalised status or whatever the correct term is.

WhiskeyGalore212 · 25/07/2021 15:01

Shouldn't have married him since he doesn't have any assets and doesn't work outside the home ... op has left herself very vulnerable.

WhiskeyGalore212 · 25/07/2021 15:02

I have to agree with the poster who said perhaps Pete is a kinder, less obvious version of the previous parasites.

WhiskeyGalore212 · 25/07/2021 15:11

Might I just point out that I believe, in the UK anyway, usually the shorter the marriage, the less claim on spouse's assets.

I know two women who had to give out payouts to men in a divorce (even though they were notb abusive in different ways); one managed to hang into her home (probably because of the relatively short length of the marriage and subsequent pay out), the other is in social housing after owning for years because she couldn't afford to stay in her home and give him his payout.

sadie9 · 25/07/2021 15:16

You are a rescuer. You have a fantasy about rescuing John and his adult kids. Why the feck would their Dad getting a girlfriend help his adult kids 'heal' from their parents divorce?
It seems you sort of idolise men and want to serve them. This may be giving you a sense of purpose.
This phrase sums it up about John "he stuck with her through four pregnancies," ??? You mean 'they had 4 kids' do you not.
Why are you positioning that like the woman sort of made him do it against his will, that she was a weak foolish charity case who got herself pregnant 4 times and John was the generous heroic benefactor.
You also say he was 'kind to his wife' which is another bizarre statement.
I think you may be mothering Pete. But his teenage ways are starting to annoy you, so you may be looking for another man to shower with your affection.

MrsBobDylan · 25/07/2021 15:55

You seem to idealise people op and create a fantasy for them, which they then go on to fulfil (or not in Pete's case).

I still can't get over your opening post - your description of you and Pete, the most compatible couple in the world, him idolising you, you finding him golden etc sounds like a Mills and Boon novel.

In subsequent posts, the reader learns you and Pete don't watch tv but John does. However, Pete's also a lazy gamer who isn't good at house renovations.

It all seems like a story you are reading to yourself. John hasn't expressed interest in you, yet you are ready to nurse his adult children back to full emotional health and take on the role of almost-Mum.

I don't want to be cruel but this is all happening in your head. You are purposely changing the goal posts so that Pete is starting to loose this imaginary race to John. It's all bonkers op. It is putting a large bomb underneath your life and blowing it up.

SorryWoman · 25/07/2021 16:38

@MrsBobDylan
Have you RTFT? Now Pete is clearly the "winner".

KormasABitch · 25/07/2021 17:43

Plot summary for anyone joining late:

Woman living in chaotic fantasy world eventually gets a grip.

SPOILER ALERT Pete wins

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CatherineAragon · 25/07/2021 18:03

@KormasABitch

Plot summary for anyone joining late:

Woman living in chaotic fantasy world eventually gets a grip.

SPOILER ALERT Pete wins

😁
Alcemeg · 25/07/2021 18:26

OP you’ve got a bob on yourself, haven’t you, imagining you have the choice of TWO men when one of them has no interest in you anyway and you’re lucky to have the other one because you’re an old dog! Your ignorant comment about a man “supporting” four kids like he’s doing his wife a favour is unforgivable, especially on a forum called “mumsnet” FFS! You’re clearly a selfish, money-grabbing cow and I hope Pete wises up and leaves you soon for someone younger and hotter.

I wish you well. Flowers

Cavagirl · 25/07/2021 18:47

😂😂😂

@Alcemeg FFS RTFT

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Sn0tnose · 25/07/2021 18:49

SPOILER ALERT Pete wins

Does he though? He might disagree if he read this thread.

Sn0tnose · 25/07/2021 18:50

Will now RTFT!

rosinavera · 25/07/2021 18:55

@Alcemeg

OP you’ve got a bob on yourself, haven’t you, imagining you have the choice of TWO men when one of them has no interest in you anyway and you’re lucky to have the other one because you’re an old dog! Your ignorant comment about a man “supporting” four kids like he’s doing his wife a favour is unforgivable, especially on a forum called “mumsnet” FFS! You’re clearly a selfish, money-grabbing cow and I hope Pete wises up and leaves you soon for someone younger and hotter.

I wish you well. Flowers

Nice!!
MrsBobDylan · 25/07/2021 19:38

I dunno...I mean I'm glad that you have decided against running off into the sunset with Golden John, but it feels like a hollow victory for 'was Golden, then slightly less golden, now golden again' Pete.

Alcemeg · 25/07/2021 19:51

@Cavagirl

😂😂😂

@Alcemeg FFS RTFT

Wink

Nah. Way too long!!! OP clearly self-obsessed.

😋

OverTheRubicon · 25/07/2021 20:01

@StarryStarrySocks

I want to know what country this is where there are no work opportunities for a man in early middle age (?) and yet an endless supply of firewood is needed...
I'd assume it's a language issue? Plenty of people move assuming that English gets you anywhere, only to find it really doesn't, Scandinavia being a case in point.
FittedSheet · 25/07/2021 21:08

@Alcemeg

OP you’ve got a bob on yourself, haven’t you, imagining you have the choice of TWO men when one of them has no interest in you anyway and you’re lucky to have the other one because you’re an old dog! Your ignorant comment about a man “supporting” four kids like he’s doing his wife a favour is unforgivable, especially on a forum called “mumsnet” FFS! You’re clearly a selfish, money-grabbing cow and I hope Pete wises up and leaves you soon for someone younger and hotter.

I wish you well. Flowers

😀😀
WhiskeyGalore212 · 25/07/2021 21:32

What's your husband's visa status where you are?

Does he now have a sort of spousal visa through yourself?

When will he have visa status on his own?

I'd just just wary there could be an element of immigrational motivation behind the relationship & marriage (and he might move on, taking as large a portion of your assets as possible when secure in that regard).

That would be a real blow if you're concerned about future financial security.

KormasABitch · 25/07/2021 21:33

@MrsBobDylan

I dunno...I mean I'm glad that you have decided against running off into the sunset with Golden John, but it feels like a hollow victory for 'was Golden, then slightly less golden, now golden again' Pete.
I know, @MrsBobDylan, I've been a bit flaky. But I think I've got away with it. He's been so engrossed in a WoW raid, he never noticed me plotting behind his back!
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KormasABitch · 25/07/2021 21:37

@WhiskeyGalore212

What's your husband's visa status where you are?

Does he now have a sort of spousal visa through yourself?

When will he have visa status on his own?

I'd just just wary there could be an element of immigrational motivation behind the relationship & marriage (and he might move on, taking as large a portion of your assets as possible when secure in that regard).

That would be a real blow if you're concerned about future financial security.

We live in Portugal, so as a UK immigrant I enjoy the security of his (Lithuanian) passport. Thank goodness I married an EU citizen, not that I had any idea back then that Brexit was going to happen one day!
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KormasABitch · 25/07/2021 21:58

Just to explain how a Russian can have a Lithuanian passport.

The Russian community in Lithuania is a very distinct ethnic group. His mum, for example, doesn't even speak Lithuanian despite having lived there all her life (his family fled Russia in the 17th/18th centuries). Russians aren't welcome there (or weren't; I don't know if things have mellowed) and there was violent conflict in the streets when the Soviet Empire collapsed.

He'd no more describe himself as Lithuanian than I would call myself Portuguese.

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