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Lovely husband versus different life with friend – what to do?

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 13:33

Apologies for the long post, I will try not to dripfeed.

I have a lovely husband, let’s call him Pete. We’ve been together almost a decade. He’s devoted to me, endlessly kind; nothing is too much trouble. A few years ago, we moved to a country where, unfortunately, he can’t get work (I’m OK as I work online). We’re planning to move elsewhere. In the meantime, he does all the shopping and cooking, chops wood for the fire, etc. We get on brilliantly and have none of the irritations I associate even with close friendships. We have the same tastes in music, films etc and often enjoy lovely weekends away doing things together like hiking or cycling. We never get bored with each other’s company.

Pete’s quite a bit younger than me, which hasn’t worried us over the years because as far as we’re concerned, being incredibly compatible is so lucky that it outweighs everything. However, one snag is our difference in life experience. He’s used to renting a place, and I’m not sure he’ll ever be what I’d call a responsible home owner. General maintenance etc doesn’t seem to occur to him, and I don’t want to be a nag, but find the overall neglect depressing when I’m so busy. He covers the basics, but anything else is a bit like pushing water uphill.

None of this might have mattered had it not been for life throwing me a curve ball.

My oldest friend, “John” (we’ve known each other 20-odd years), got divorced a couple of years ago. I helped him through the emotional process. We’ve always been close (despite him living in another country), but I suppose that brought us a bit closer for a while. I never thought much of it when he left his wife, but over the past couple of years we have exchanged friendly (not flirtatious!) messages and sometimes I find myself pining for the kind of life I could have with him. Over the years, we’ve had some great adventures together (when married to other people, so we never acknowledged or acted on the chemistry that was there), we have a good laugh, we understand each other well, and we have the same values. Pete, for example, can’t be bothered with family and I wish he made more effort to know my parents, who won’t be around for much longer; whereas I know John would connect well.

I am approaching retirement age and financial security has become more important to me than it once was. I hate to admit it, but combining forces with someone who has worked as hard as me is also appealing.

This is all churning round and round in my head, and I feel ridiculous. I don’t want to discuss it with anyone IRL, but would appreciate any input here. I hate feeling even a smidgen of disloyalty to Pete, because I adore him. It feels as though my priorities in life might be shifting somewhat, but maybe I’m just doing that “grass greener” thing and should just STFU.

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AlternativePerspective · 20/07/2021 15:09

And it seems OP wants john to do the pick me dance….

Bringbackguitarsolos · 20/07/2021 15:12

The grass is greener where you water it OP

HeyDemonsItsYaGirl · 20/07/2021 15:12

What an awful post. Honestly both of them deserve a better partner than you, one who doesn't weigh them up like show ponies.

Greenmarmalade · 20/07/2021 15:13
  • Bryonyshcmyony Is Pete actually a labrador? No, he's awesome.*

My awesome Labrador is so offended.

Get stuck back into Pete!!

The fact that he’s stuck by you in a country where he has no opportunity to work, and is instead making the most of life- amazing.
You can’t criticise a man for not being overly materialistic, particularly in a situation where he can’t actually earn money!

AlternativePerspective · 20/07/2021 15:16

And again. If a woman posted here that she did all the housework but was unable to work because her husband had moved them to a country where she couldn’t, she would be told that he was controlling and had deliberately moved her there to ensure she couldn’t do anything. And if he then started to hold that against her to justify wanting to shag another woman posters would tell her to LTB.

And let’s be honest here, if the OP were to leave Pete for John, Nobody, including John’s kids, would believe they weren’t already shagging before she left her marriage.

MareofBeasttown · 20/07/2021 15:18

Can you pass Pete over my way, please? I could do with someone who does all the shopping and cooking.

2bazookas · 20/07/2021 15:19

Knowing someone socially (for 20 years) is nothing at all like living with them 24/7/365.

 Nobody is perfect and that includes Pete. But now you need to  remind yourself, it also includes John.  What are John's faults and imperfections?   The ones he recognises and admits, and the ones he   hides or is unaware of? 

Ask yourself (or John, or his ex wife) why his marriage didn't work. Exactly why his wife no longer wants to live with him. What was it about living with her, that he wanted to escape from. You were friends with her; do you share any common traits?

The grass may be greener on the other side of the fence. Just remember, what the fence is there for; and that some very undesirable weeds are also green.

Biscoffbiscou · 20/07/2021 15:21

Pete sounds great. You never get bored of each other's company and don't have any day to day niggles or irritations? Nothing is too much trouble for him? He's also intelligent and cultured? You're extremely compatible and have a 10-year relationship?

Do you think you might be throwing the baby out with the bathwater a bit? If there are areas of your otherwise blissful relationship that aren't quite working for you – Pete not having a job as you chose to move to a country where this would be difficult for him – why don't you address this with Pete? Maybe he doesn't like it either?

Not saying you should ignore whatever it is that's disquieting you, but think John is a red herring here; you're projecting onto him everything that you're questioning about your life with Pete.

SpaceshiptoMars · 20/07/2021 15:22

Realistically, a financially successful, horny older man could be looking for someone younger. Maybe 20 years younger.

And dream on about the adult kids welcoming you with open arms!

LuxOlente · 20/07/2021 15:23

One person can't be everything. If Pete's only flaw is that he won't do the house up, start calling builders/decorators to get it sorted yourself.

Viviennemary · 20/07/2021 15:23

Neither one I would say. If it was Pete you wouldnt be considering John. If it was John you'd leave Pete. Strike out on your own if you want adventure

rumred · 20/07/2021 15:23

I think you might benefit from counselling @KormasABitch to help you sort through your thoughts. You have John on a pedestal and that's not realistic.

lightand · 20/07/2021 15:25

Your problem is you, as I think you realise.

Why did you leave your first husband?[apologies if you have said, but I didnt notice].

Blossomtoes · 20/07/2021 15:25

Go on, leave Pete. And then wait for John to introduce you to his late 30s girlfriend.

occa · 20/07/2021 15:25

You need to communicate better with Pete. Lay it on the line and explain to him, like you've explained here, that you feel your priorities shifting and discuss with him how to move forward.

That's what people in successful marriages do, they discuss and plan and recognize that priorities and goals change and they work on them together.

John is a total red herring. And probably a non-starter.

Biscoffbiscou · 20/07/2021 15:27

@Greenmarmalade

* Bryonyshcmyony Is Pete actually a labrador? No, he's awesome.*

My awesome Labrador is so offended.

Get stuck back into Pete!!

The fact that he’s stuck by you in a country where he has no opportunity to work, and is instead making the most of life- amazing.
You can’t criticise a man for not being overly materialistic, particularly in a situation where he can’t actually earn money!

Exactly! What's he meant to do? He's rolling with the situation and making it work.

OP, what was the decision-making process in moving to a country where Pete can't get work?

HollowTalk · 20/07/2021 15:27

Anyone can be awesome if they just depend on someone else to do all the work and bring in the money, in return for doing a bit of cooking. He doesn't even do general maintenance.

Quite honestly apart from the sex (and I've a suspicion Pete has a golden cock due to never doing a day's work) then Pete sounds like a teenager - think of that last summer before they go to uni, when they're old enough to watch good films with and talk about books etc, but not old enough to be ultimately responsible for themselves.

I couldn't stand it. I couldn't support someone in that way - it would turn me off them massively.

Bryonyshcmyony · 20/07/2021 15:28

OP, what was the decision-making process in moving to a country where Pete can't get work?

That's what I'm dying to know

sleeponeday · 20/07/2021 15:28

Pete sounds lovely, and I think you are romanticising John, frankly.

I also think you've placed Pete in a significantly precarious financial position, and I hope you would expect to fully compensate him for those sacrifices, were you to divorce - under English law, if you've cohabited for long enough he could argue for half of your savings and assets, and even for a shorter marriage, given his contributions you would need to be looking at some form of pension split and so on.

So your life with John - who will, presumably, have had to provide his ex with half their marital assets, too - might be a tad less secure, financially, than you imagine. And you have no idea at all what sort of a husband he would make. A lot of people are far nicer to friends than their spouses, sadly. Pete sounds a gem and I am sad you are looking at what he doesn't offer, rather than appreciating what he does.

Greenmarmalade · 20/07/2021 15:32
  • HollowTalk

Anyone can be awesome if they just depend on someone else to do all the work and bring in the money, in return for doing a bit of cooking. He doesn't even do general maintenance. *

They’ve moved somewhere he can’t work.

Why does he have to do house maintenance? Because he’s the man?

todaysdilemma · 20/07/2021 15:32

Ah OP, I haven't read anything in your updates that suggests John is interested in pursuing a romantic relationship. Lots of friends joke about ending up together if there's no one else or about chemistry - but it doesn't mean anything. It's just a way of re-assuring ourselves we have options, even when they aren't really. John may appreciate the uncomplicatedness of the friendship, he may like you but not fancy you, and he may feel chemistry but not enough to justify ruining the friendship (which he probably values more now being single). You mentioned living together for 6 weeks, that is still not the same as the vulnerability, expectation and emotion attached to a romantic relationship that makes people behave differently. It's why someone can be completely different as a flatmate/room mate and a live in partner. So actually you have no idea what he's like when he's in love with someone or commited to them. Also, if he was as much a go getter as you say he is - he would have said something in the last 20 years, when you were single, or he was? Not to say he can't be wanting to be with you, just that you need more evidence from him that he is.

Atm, he is just a fantasy. Which doesn't actually address the issue of Pete and the fact you are unhappy with him. Do you think you would have felt the same about Pete without the fantasy of John to compare to?

You shouldn't stay with Pete if he is not fulfilling you, but don't do it because you think you'll end up happier with John. Do it because you're willing to stay single and find someone better suited - which may or may not be John.

Also, can you not move to a country where Pete can work? It must be terrible for him to have ended up somewhere he can't - long term unemployment is devastating for self esteem and confidence. And I think you owe it to him to move asap, and encourage him to work more towards his future. Try every option you can to fix things with Pete, before you consider leaving.

And John - take space from him till you have made an effort to see if things with Pete can improve. The friendship has now changed since you have developed romantic feelings - also John may meet someone tomorrow he is crazy about - do you want to have to witness that? Take space, focus on yourself and marriage, and make a decision that's best for you with no distractions.

LopsidedWombat · 20/07/2021 15:33

You don't know John nearly as well as you know Pete so you are filling in gaps with pure fantasy.

Agree that it's grass is greener. Is your life possibly lacking somewhere else rather then your relationship ? (bored or not enough friends, for example). Your relationship with Pete sounds very good, don't forget that one person can't be everything or be perfect, we are all flawed. What John has that Pete doesn't would work both ways.

2bazookas · 20/07/2021 15:35

The opportunity to be an almost-mum to them (obviously never coming near taking the place of the original and best!), and potentially heal some of the pain of his split from their mum, might add to the appeal.

     Sorry, but you're really clutching at straws there,  deluding yourself.  They are adults. You will NEVER be an "almost -mum"   and  nothing you do at this stage in their lives  can ever heal  their family breakdown.
Shallysally · 20/07/2021 15:35

The grass is greener where you water it OP

This. No relationship is perfect, they all need work. And Pete seems to provide you with what you need now. There’s a lot to be said for living in the moment. Of course, plan for your retirement, but don’t throw away a marriage that a lot of women would give their right arm for over the possibility of a rosier future with a somewhat unknown quantity of this other man

speakout · 20/07/2021 15:37

OP I think you need to consider the third option- neither of these men.

You don't sound particularly committed to Pete to be considering life with another man- and no gurantee that John will want to choose a life with you.
Even if you embark on a relationship with john it may not last and fizzle out after a few months.
I think you owe it to pete to be honest about your disattisfaction and make a break.

I think living on your own would be the best thing- for all involved.